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GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22]

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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#161 » by 80sballboy » Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:35 am

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Dolevi wrote:I guess it's the injury issue. They don't want to risk him. He should get more minutes and play PG for sure. He plays smart and without ego, searching his friends if they open, and don't force tough shots usually. That's PG abilities. Sure he needs to improve his handles maybe. But that's where he's good, better for the team also. That's an advantage to play someone at his size and flexability as PG. But if the Wiz want to see what he's capable of doing, he definetely needs to touch the ball a lot more. As i said already in the days of Scott Brooks when he was standing at the corner all along. This is not what he feels comfortable with. He's comfortable when the ball is in his hands.


Point forward, Point guard. It doesn't matter. Beal can bring the ball up. So can Wright. Morris. Beal showed tonight that he could run the show. Deni has to be on the floor due to his defense and there's no way he's 100% tonight after spraining his ankle for the first time ever (how is that possible?). I think when he gets healthier and can play more minutes, he's the guy I want out there with the second unit with Morris, Barton, Gafford and Rui to be the "point forward".

I don't think it's a question of "who can" do it, it's a question of "who we want" to do it, why, and how this role will help the team to win. When i choose a PG for the team, I'm not looking just on who can do it. I want to see who is the most impactful, the most effective and offcourse - how this change will influence the rest of the team, prediction. Anyway I think it's worth a try. In the end as i said before. As organisation you have an interest investing on Deni. He's young, and he has a lot of abilities that a PG needs to have with.


1)He's not healthy. 2)You are paying Beal $251M to do what he did tonight. Run the show, share the ball, play some D and hit shots in the clutch. 3)If you play him as the point in the second unit, that's fine. 4)He's not ready. He's just 21 and I doubt Wes Jr. trusts him to run the entire show with Beal, Porzingis and Kuzma on the floor. 5)His defense is even more important against the opponent's top scorers than him playing point. 6)Over time, he could be the 1 since we really don't have a PG. 7)He's coming off a groin and ankle sprain so his quickness maybe limited. 8)Needs more time with the Porzingis and Beal to earn their trust. 9)Oh yeah, still needs a left hand.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#162 » by payitforward » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:03 am

I've watched the first half -- will watch the rest on the dvr tomorrow morning.

What jumps out from the boxscore is that the Bulls had 22 more trips to the line than we did.

It's almost impossible to win a game where that happens, yet we DID win, b/c we scored with outstanding efficiency! Especially our starters, who posted a .637 TS%. Wow!

That's a really great win.

KP had an off night, & although Brad shot well, he also turned the ball over 5 time & only managed 1 rebound. Kuzma, Avdija & Morris were really solid.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#163 » by payitforward » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:14 am

Dat2U wrote:Wiz won two close games against the two teams they will likely battle for the last play in spot. Beal has been okay but Kuz atm is playing way above his standard. Lets see if he keeps it up against tougher competition.

Kuz was especially good tonight -- much more so than vs. Indy.

When a team wins, its fan overpraises the team. Everybody is praising Brad in this thread. With no mention of the fact that he turned the ball over 5 times.

I don't mean to criticize him. He's been fine. Above all, we are 2-0.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#164 » by Dolevi » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:22 am

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Point forward, Point guard. It doesn't matter. Beal can bring the ball up. So can Wright. Morris. Beal showed tonight that he could run the show. Deni has to be on the floor due to his defense and there's no way he's 100% tonight after spraining his ankle for the first time ever (how is that possible?). I think when he gets healthier and can play more minutes, he's the guy I want out there with the second unit with Morris, Barton, Gafford and Rui to be the "point forward".

I don't think it's a question of "who can" do it, it's a question of "who we want" to do it, why, and how this role will help the team to win. When i choose a PG for the team, I'm not looking just on who can do it. I want to see who is the most impactful, the most effective and offcourse - how this change will influence the rest of the team, prediction. Anyway I think it's worth a try. In the end as i said before. As organisation you have an interest investing on Deni. He's young, and he has a lot of abilities that a PG needs to have with.


1)He's not healthy. 2)You are paying Beal $251M to do what he did tonight. Run the show, share the ball, play some D and hit shots in the clutch. 3)If you play him as the point in the second unit, that's fine. 4)He's not ready. He's just 21 and I doubt Wes Jr. trusts him to run the entire show with Beal, Porzingis and Kuzma on the floor. 5)His defense is even more important against the opponent's top scorers than him playing point. 6)Over time, he could be the 1 since we really don't have a PG. 7)He's coming off a groin and ankle sprain so his quickness maybe limited. 8)Needs more time with the Porzingis and Beal to earn their trust. 9)Oh yeah, still needs a left hand.

Yes but there's a gap between "run the show" and to not touch the ball enough. I'm not saying he's a starting line-up PG player ready now. I'm saying that's where his potential is. And the fact is that with him being good, especially in this role, the team's potential to be great also growing. The minimum is to play him in this role with the 2nd unit. If that's also not gonna happen, then you lose the player, by using his strenghts just on defense.

Beal is great, no doubt. But you can and you should think about sharing the pressure of the ball with other players. You can't just have one show man. Deni should be able to be a secondary ball handler sometimes, also with Beal on the floor. When Beal will play sometimes at the 2, where his natural position is (he was never a real PG, he's good on being the scorer). That way you can also free Beal a little bit from pressure so he will be better. Beal is still the target man, but you can earn another player by doing that.. Trust your teammates!.

I don't care and you should not care too how much the player earns a month. I want to find the best way to play team basketball when everyone's abilities are top. I want the ball to touch many hands and that my teammates will get the feeling of it in offense. That's should be a mindset of PG. What i'm talking about PG.. That's should be the mindset of a leader in a team.

Maybe we also see the game differently. This is how i see it. A basketball with one man alone running the show isn't truly beautiful basketball. It's a team game, not solistic. And if i have a teammate who hasn't touched enough the ball, i'll search him and look to involve him.

So you can say on the other hand - but he had 8 assists, he's unselfish and looking for his teammates.
But what will you do if he catches a bad day? What do you do if opponents defense shut him down? What do you do if he gets injuried? What is your back-up plan for your PG? Will your team adapt to the situation? That's the minus... I'm as a coach doesn't want to have just one man doing his thing. I want to have many guys that can do the same thing. That's an advantage. Not the opposite.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#165 » by DCZards » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:25 am

payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Wiz won two close games against the two teams they will likely battle for the last play in spot. Beal has been okay but Kuz atm is playing way above his standard. Lets see if he keeps it up against tougher competition.

Kuz was especially good tonight -- much more so than vs. Indy.

When a team wins, its fan overpraises the team. Everybody is praising Brad in this thread. With no mention of the fact that he turned the ball over 5 times.

I don't mean to criticize him. He's been fine. Above all, we are 2-0.

Yup… and when a team loses fans over-criticize the team.

Don’t forget to mention Beal’s 8 assists and 2 blocked shots.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#166 » by DCZards » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 am

FAH1223 wrote:One of Brad’s best games. The passion and leadership is nice to see. He’s also playing both ends. And not forcing anything.

That last part is the best part about how Beal has played these first two games.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#167 » by gambitx777 » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:50 am

Deni is looking like a great value Ben Simmons which is basically what Ben Simmons is now. So we have Ben Simmons for way way way less money. Which I've said that a million times in my arguments against trading for Ben.

Kuz ko and Beal looked good tonight. Rui was ok deni had a really good game.

I wanna see us find a way to upgrade PG. I don't think kemba is the answer. But idk!

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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#168 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:24 am

I’m no statistician and someone should check my math, but I believe the Wiz are tracking for an 82-0 season.
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#169 » by montestewart » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:32 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I’m no statistician and someone should check my math, but I believe the Wiz are tracking for an 82-0 season.

My Texas Instruments LCD calculator says you’re projection is correct. PIF? Nate?
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Re: GT #2: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [10/21/22] 

Post#170 » by payitforward » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:37 am

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Wiz won two close games against the two teams they will likely battle for the last play in spot. Beal has been okay but Kuz atm is playing way above his standard. Lets see if he keeps it up against tougher competition.

Kuz was especially good tonight -- much more so than vs. Indy.

When a team wins, its fan overpraises the team. Everybody is praising Brad in this thread. With no mention of the fact that he turned the ball over 5 times.

I don't mean to criticize him. He's been fine. Above all, we are 2-0.

Yup… and when a team loses fans over-criticize the team.

Don’t forget to mention Beal’s 8 assists and 2 blocked shots.

Oh for sure! I wrote a very positive post about Brad less than an hour ago! As I said, the guy is posting a .650 TS% so far! That is unheard of for a guard! Not to mention the assists....

Above all, we are 2-0.
If you'd told me last week that Deni would be limited to 8 minutes in our first game, & KP would foul out of our 2d game, I definitely wouldn't have concluded that we'd be 2-0. :)

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