Woj: Wolves trade for Gobert

[thinktank]

So I was thinking about how the Wolves have deliberately emphasized the North with the all eyes north slogan. This of course lends itself to Game of Thrones themes. I think it is obvious that if we do well the fan base will lean into it. Finch will either be the King in the North or the Warden of the North. Based on that I was thinking about what the other guys would be. Rudy is “The shield that guards the realms of men.” I mean when you think about it, the paint is the realm and Rudy is the best paint protector ever. Maybe if we win a title we start calling Rudy Lord Commander?

wAt

[shrink]

When Ant said he liked playing with the smaller lineup because they don’t care who shoots and the ball doesn’t stick, it feels like a clear message to the higher ups that he doesn’t enjoy playing with KAT.

I feel like he's also said though that he prefers Towns' popping over Gobert's rolling so who the heck knows....

Maybe, but the OKC game it seemed him and GoB were starting to figure that out. Ant was getting some nice drives on GoB screens. But I’m sure in general he prefers to have someone to pass out to instead of someone down low taking up his space. That popper could easily be Gordon Hayward or Harrison Barnes though, it’s just a preference base on his style of play.

His comments on playing with guys who are unselfish and don’t hold the ball seemed to speak more to other people’s style of play.

It seems strange that you would attribute that to KAT. For years, people have knocked him for being too unselfish, and they want him to shoot the ball more because of his efficiency. This year, he was over-feeding Gobert too.

[m2002brian]

I feel like he's also said though that he prefers Towns' popping over Gobert's rolling so who the heck knows....

Maybe, but the OKC game it seemed him and GoB were starting to figure that out. Ant was getting some nice drives on GoB screens. But I’m sure in general he prefers to have someone to pass out to instead of someone down low taking up his space. That popper could easily be Gordon Hayward or Harrison Barnes though, it’s just a preference base on his style of play.

His comments on playing with guys who are unselfish and don’t hold the ball seemed to speak more to other people’s style of play.

It seems strange that you would attribute that to KAT. For years, people have knocked him for being too unselfish, and they want him to shoot the ball more because of his efficiency. This year, he was over-feeding Gobert too.

With KAT and DLo in the game this year, the ball has found Ant way less.
I’m sure he’s rather play with guys who are more likely to defer to him.

[Battletrigger]

So I was thinking about how the Wolves have deliberately emphasized the North with the all eyes north slogan. This of course lends itself to Game of Thrones themes. I think it is obvious that if we do well the fan base will lean into it. Finch will either be the King in the North or the Warden of the North. Based on that I was thinking about what the other guys would be. Rudy is “The shield that guards the realms of men.” I mean when you think about it, the paint is the realm and Rudy is the best paint protector ever. Maybe if we win a title we start calling Rudy Lord Commander?

wAt

Weed

[winforlose]

Maybe, but the OKC game it seemed him and GoB were starting to figure that out. Ant was getting some nice drives on GoB screens. But I’m sure in general he prefers to have someone to pass out to instead of someone down low taking up his space. That popper could easily be Gordon Hayward or Harrison Barnes though, it’s just a preference base on his style of play.

His comments on playing with guys who are unselfish and don’t hold the ball seemed to speak more to other people’s style of play.

It seems strange that you would attribute that to KAT. For years, people have knocked him for being too unselfish, and they want him to shoot the ball more because of his efficiency. This year, he was over-feeding Gobert too.

With KAT and DLo in the game this year, the ball has found Ant way less.
I’m sure he’s rather play with guys who are more likely to defer to him.

Basketball reference has Ant shooting one more shot than last years average per game. He is also playing with the second unit more (the small ball 5,) and therefore getting a chance to be the primary scorer. What makes you think he isn’t getting his touches? Is it eye test?

[m2002brian]

It seems strange that you would attribute that to KAT. For years, people have knocked him for being too unselfish, and they want him to shoot the ball more because of his efficiency. This year, he was over-feeding Gobert too.

With KAT and DLo in the game this year, the ball has found Ant way less.
I’m sure he’s rather play with guys who are more likely to defer to him.

Basketball reference has Ant shooting one more shot than last years average per game. He is also playing with the second unit more (the small ball 5,) and therefore getting a chance to be the primary scorer. What makes you think he isn’t getting his touches? Is it eye test?

Wtf does Ant averaging 1 more shot per game have to do with what I said?
He’s getting those extra shots with KAT and DLo out of the game. I never said he wasn’t getting X amount of shots. I said he prefers to play with guys that will defer to him as the #1 option.

Ant should be treated like Luka and Kyrie (when they came into the league). He should always be the primary option on offense. KAT has never been anywhere but the lottery, except when the team had Jimmy and then Ant. 2 guards who score 20+ ppg and create their own shot. He can’t create, he can’t get past his man, he can’t defend, and good luck with passing out of a double team.

He’s just not that good overall as a basketball player. He’s all nba because there just aren’t that many good big men anymore. Joel, Giannis, Joker and then …….Meh. All he has to his credit is he can shoot. There’s more to the game than shooting. Well, I guess, he’s pretty good at fouling and giving up shots too. He’s got that going for him.

[winforlose]

With KAT and DLo in the game this year, the ball has found Ant way less.
I’m sure he’s rather play with guys who are more likely to defer to him.

Basketball reference has Ant shooting one more shot than last years average per game. He is also playing with the second unit more (the small ball 5,) and therefore getting a chance to be the primary scorer. What makes you think he isn’t getting his touches? Is it eye test?

Wtf does Ant averaging 1 more shot per game have to do with what I said?
He’s getting those extra shots with KAT and DLo out of the game. I never said he wasn’t getting X amount of shots. I said he prefers to play with guys that will defer to him as the #1 option.

Ant should be treated like Luka and Kyrie (when they came into the league). He should always be the primary option on offense. KAT has never been anywhere but the lottery, except when the team had Jimmy and then Ant. 2 guards who score 20+ ppg and create their own shot. He can’t create, he can’t get past his man, he can’t defend, and good luck with passing out of a double team.

He’s just not that good overall as a basketball player. He’s all nba because there just aren’t that many good big men anymore. Joel, Giannis, Joker and then …….Meh. All he has to his credit is he can shoot. There’s more to the game than shooting. Well, I guess, he’s pretty good at fouling and giving up shots too. He’s got that going for him.

Please tell me the other star scorer on Luka or Kyrie’s teams in their rookie year? In fact your point is that KAT sucks at everything but shooting, so why shouldn’t he be highlighted for his shooting? In any event, Ant gets a ton of touches and doesn’t play like a primary initiator yet. He doesn’t drive and kick very often, dribbles too much, is way to happy to pull up behind the line or from the mid range, (did you see how good his catch and shoot numbers were last year, they were elite, he should not be pulling up,) and has some minor handle issues. Ant has more talent surrounding him than Luka could dream of. Kyrie would sell Ben Simmons down the River in two seconds for someone of KAT’s talent level. The issue is getting everyone passing and screening better for each other.

BTW, Luka lost in the WCF because he didn’t have enough help. Kyrie and KD lost in the 1st round because they didn’t have enough help. Jokic first round elimination because he didn’t have Murray to help. Ant needs the help, and until he can take over in the way you describe (2 games of shooting sub 30%,) it will continue to be KAT or a mix of KAT and Ant in that role.

[m2002brian]

Andrew Wiggins Now is what KAT should be now.

If it was KAT traded to GS, he would not be anything more than what they are doing with Drew. But we force for him as 1A or 1B option and he’s just not that guy. He’s not Joker and he’s not embid, oh and btw, Joker and Embid won’t do anything ever either until their teams finally figure out it starts with a star guard.

[KGdaBom]

With KAT and DLo in the game this year, the ball has found Ant way less.
I’m sure he’s rather play with guys who are more likely to defer to him.

Basketball reference has Ant shooting one more shot than last years average per game. He is also playing with the second unit more (the small ball 5,) and therefore getting a chance to be the primary scorer. What makes you think he isn’t getting his touches? Is it eye test?

Wtf does Ant averaging 1 more shot per game have to do with what I said?
He’s getting those extra shots with KAT and DLo out of the game. I never said he wasn’t getting X amount of shots. I said he prefers to play with guys that will defer to him as the #1 option.

Ant should be treated like Luka and Kyrie (when they came into the league). He should always be the primary option on offense. KAT has never been anywhere but the lottery, except when the team had Jimmy and then Ant. 2 guards who score 20+ ppg and create their own shot. He can’t create, he can’t get past his man, he can’t defend, and good luck with passing out of a double team.

He’s just not that good overall as a basketball player. He’s all nba because there just aren’t that many good big men anymore. Joel, Giannis, Joker and then …….Meh. All he has to his credit is he can shoot. There’s more to the game than shooting. Well, I guess, he’s pretty good at fouling and giving up shots too. He’s got that going for him.

KAT has always been better than Ant. So far this season despite a slow start KAT has still been better than Ant. Someday Ant may become the better player. That day hasn't come yet. I think I need to put you on Ignore. I just can't tolerate your constant dissing of a great player on our team.

[winforlose]

Andrew Wiggins Now is what KAT should be now.

If it was KAT traded to GS, he would not be anything more than what they are doing with Drew. But we force for him as 1A or 1B option and he’s just not that guy. He’s not Joker and he’s not embid, oh and btw, Joker and Embid won’t do anything ever either until their teams finally figure out it starts with a star guard.

Andrew Wiggins plays when he feels like it. He was considered the worst contract in the NBA for more than 2 years. He got paid for finally giving enough of a damn to play defense and rebound. You need to look past your bias and see KAT for who he is. Just tonight he played extremely efficient offense, decent defense, was a willing passer, and had way more positive impact than negative. You think KAT cannot be a 1A or 1B but your evidence is his performances on bad teams. Wait to see him on this very good team before forming your opinion.