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Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games

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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#161 » by youngcrev » Thu Nov 3, 2022 2:01 pm

76ciology wrote:Getting PJ Tucker should have been a red flag.

How the hell does Tucker who’s 6’5” makes sense with a big with declining athleticism makes sense on defense?

And NEVER runs on the break and NEVER runs on transition defense..

6ppg 4rpg .6spg and .4bpg

Wake up.

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I don't think he should be starting because he's a 4/5 at this stage and Tobias is a 4, but I disagree that he was a bad signing. Proven 3+D role players don't come cheap. And while there are certainly matchups that will expose the lack of height, the Tucker at center lineups have probably been this team's most effective as a whole early on in this season.

Complaining about a guy's raw stats that has never been known for his raw stats is kinda silly. He's here to be a glue guy. Space the floor, be a quality, switchable man defender, and make hustle plays.
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Post#162 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 3, 2022 2:10 pm

P.J. Tucker during his 1st 582 NBA games had a 2.1% steal percentage while shooting 36% from three. That's when he was a legit 3&D guy.

Since then, (204 game sample size), he's still shooting well (37.1% from three), but his defensive impact has disappeared (1.4% steal).
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Post#163 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 3, 2022 2:31 pm

youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:Getting PJ Tucker should have been a red flag.

How the hell does Tucker who’s 6’5” makes sense with a big with declining athleticism makes sense on defense?

And NEVER runs on the break and NEVER runs on transition defense..

6ppg 4rpg .6spg and .4bpg

Wake up.

That’s more like a chihuahua than a dawg


I don't think he should be starting because he's a 4/5 at this stage and Tobias is a 4, but I disagree that he was a bad signing. Proven 3+D role players don't come cheap. And while there are certainly matchups that will expose the lack of height, the Tucker at center lineups have probably been this team's most effective as a whole early on in this season.

Complaining about a guy's raw stats that has never been known for his raw stats is kinda silly. He's here to be a glue guy. Space the floor, be a quality, switchable man defender, and make hustle plays.


DRtg 116 on court
DRtg 108 off court
-1.2 DBPM

Ugly even if you look past his raw stats

*bonus. 20.9 TO% ( :o )
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Post#164 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 3, 2022 2:34 pm

Kobblehead wrote:P.J. Tucker during his 1st 582 NBA games had a 2.1% steal percentage while shooting 36% from three. That's when he was a legit 3&D guy.

Since then, (204 game sample size), he's still shooting well (37.1% from three), but his defensive impact has disappeared (1.4% steal).


He needs to play with Melton, Giannis, Jimmy/Bam or Roco type players on defense. Embiid or Tobias ain’t those.
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Post#165 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 2:38 pm

Seems like the clear move, especially since Doc hates Reed, is to start Melton and move PJ to the bench. Then PJ becomes a full time backup C and we play small ball when Embiid sits.
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Post#166 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 3, 2022 2:46 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Seems like the clear move, especially since Doc hates Reed, is to start Melton and move PJ to the bench. Then PJ becomes a full time backup C and we play small ball when Embiid sits.


Or Thybulle (our best 5 man unit last year)

Then we still have the luxury to play Melton as our default 6th man. And also play small ball with Tucker when Biid is on the bench.
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Post#167 » by SixthStreet » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:14 pm

Those moves may help but only Reed will fix the leak.
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Post#168 » by Negrodamus » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:46 pm

Daryl Morey will bring in Gary Clark before BBall Paul gets any meaningful playing time.
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Post#169 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:58 pm

The Doc spite toward Paul Reed is honestly uncomfortable at this point. I need an oral history from everyone on the team about their relationship.

I just assumed that we were done with it after Reed’s playoff performance but somehow we’re back to square one.
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Post#170 » by phiphan » Thu Nov 3, 2022 6:47 pm

In other news, former Sixer big Charles Bassey had a productive run in his Spurs debut.
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Post#172 » by 76ciology » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:33 pm

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Tobi one of the most versatile
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#173 » by FlyingArrow » Sat Nov 5, 2022 6:20 pm

phiphan wrote:In other news, former Sixer big Charles Bassey had a productive run in his Spurs debut.


Wow - yeah. Only 12 minutes so the raw numbers aren't high. But for only 12 minutes:

9pts / 4rb / 2blk

He even made a 3pt shot.
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Post#174 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 5, 2022 8:30 pm

And then last night he dominated in the G-League.

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Post#175 » by Mik317 » Sat Nov 5, 2022 9:32 pm

our FO is so **** washed
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#176 » by Zumramania » Sun Nov 6, 2022 12:47 am

Mik317 wrote:our FO is so **** washed


They were always washed...drafting bums like Zhaire Smith, holding on to Ben Simmons as the "franchise cornerstone", despite knowing him far better than we did both on court and off the court, hiring EB and then firing him after he nearly ruined everything what was left of Hinkie's war chest, but not actually firing him because EB is formally still our GM hahaha and probably a significant part of the FO, hiring and holding onto Doc Rivers etc.

Our FO is a mess, and I'm starting to lose faith in Morey as well despite some of the very good to great moves he made.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#177 » by Foshan » Sun Nov 6, 2022 1:07 am

Man, that really annoys me. I liked Bassey more than Reed. But i think both were guys that we could have easily developed while trying to win. Reed playing the 4 next to embiid is like the 'duh' move we refuse to try. And Bassey off the bench makes so much sense. /cry
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Post#178 » by Kobblehead » Sun Nov 6, 2022 1:13 am

What's extra annoying about it is that it's not like Bassey was some 19 year old that needed years to develop. He was a three year college player with consistent rebounding, shotblocking, and free throw shooting. He was NBA plug and play ready.

But we kept relying on washed backup bigs instead.
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Post#179 » by DCasey91 » Sun Nov 6, 2022 1:39 am

phiphan wrote:In other news, former Sixer big Charles Bassey had a productive run in his Spurs debut.


Damn it. I do rate Bassey over Reed as he’s a legit Center and would pair well with Harden. Said it many times but if Joe and Bassey had as much time as Kork/Milton as a leash they both would have been established depth players for us at very important roles that each season we always blunder (C depth and guard depth). Joe could have easily been a 3+D guard imo.

Wouldn’t surprise in the slightest that Joe’s good games he had more than 15 fukn mins of playing time lol.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#180 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 6, 2022 4:02 am

Have you guys tried to watch around the league?

I find that everyone is adding size.

Top teams.. Raps, Bucks, Pels, Clips, Celtics, Cavs, Warriors and etc.
Bottom teams.. Jazz, Magic, Wolves, Blazers, Thunders, Pistons and etc..

I find us being a really good team, if the game was played in 2016-2019 era. Switch everything then Embiid trying to score not against multiple 6’9 defenders swarming at him, Harden not being defended by a 6’9” defender switched at him, defenders not being used to everyone doing that harden step back that at this point everyone is used to defending almost 1/4 of all possessions.

We have too much 6’5” and below guys trying to play defense like 6’9” guys. This lead to guys not being able to jack up 3s that freely with a 6’9” guy closing out (look at how many 3s Danuel House passes up), our guys cutting to the basket and not being able to finish (biid getting blocked a lot during Bucks game, Tucker missing point blanks, Tobias getting blocked a lot, Harden getting blocked a lot last year), our pick and roll not as effective with muscular 6’9” guys being able to switch the Harden-Biid PnR, being short lead us being weak on transition defense, weak in closing out on defense and weak in generating deflections..

We have a defensive scheme that acts like Embiid is Mutombo, but those days are gone. He lacks the lift and he’s not THAT big anymore. Nowadays you get a 6’9” guy like Siakam or Tatum driving to Biid then lobbing it to a center around the rim.

Maybe after 10 games the world, not just looking at ourselves but also outside, is telling us something.

Maybe the problem is with us, but not totally about us but with us compared to the competition around us.
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