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Kilroy wrote:I think he's available if it gets the Lakers a high spot in the lottery. Otherwise, I think it's just Simmons talking out his ass...
Landsberger wrote:Kilroy wrote:I think he's available if it gets the Lakers a high spot in the lottery. Otherwise, I think it's just Simmons talking out his ass...
We better cash him in before the rest of the league figures out he's not a franchise player..... or he sprains a hangnail...
SK21209 wrote:Simons/Nurkic/Portland 2024 FRP/Portland 2026 FRP for AD? We get a good young guard and a decent big, plus a couple of FRPs that could end up being good given Lillard's age and AD's health. Now we've got LeBron, the $30+ million in cap space next offseason and 5 tradable firsts on draft night, we can try to make a play for another disgruntled star or go into rebuild with LeBron probably leaving after 2023. I don't think this team is going anywhere barring something completely out of the blue, so maybe its time to move on from AD now.
As for Kyrie, I'm certainly less excited to trade for him now but I'd still consider it. As well as Russ has played in his role lately, the upgrade from a LeBron/AD/Russ trio that doesn't fit and needs to be staggered to a LeBron/AD/Kyrie trio that is a hand-in-glove fit offensively is pretty massive.
Slim Charless wrote:Landsberger wrote:Kilroy wrote:I think he's available if it gets the Lakers a high spot in the lottery. Otherwise, I think it's just Simmons talking out his ass...
We better cash him in before the rest of the league figures out he's not a franchise player..... or he sprains a hangnail...
Would you guys do Ayton and 2023+26 FRP? Gives you a great young big along with a couple of picks.
Slim Charless wrote:Landsberger wrote:Kilroy wrote:I think he's available if it gets the Lakers a high spot in the lottery. Otherwise, I think it's just Simmons talking out his ass...
We better cash him in before the rest of the league figures out he's not a franchise player..... or he sprains a hangnail...
Would you guys do Ayton and 2023+26 FRP? Gives you a great young big along with a couple of picks.
stan francisco wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Landsberger wrote:
We better cash him in before the rest of the league figures out he's not a franchise player..... or he sprains a hangnail...
Would you guys do Ayton and 2023+26 FRP? Gives you a great young big along with a couple of picks.
Add an established 3&D role player to that package and I’d say yes.
zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.
Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley
2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant
Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.
Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...
Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.
DanishLakerFan wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.
Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley
2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant
Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.
Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...
Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.
This is spot on and i really dont see why they aren't doing something to address those needs.
Most of the proposed deals (i.e. Buddy+Turner, Poeltl+Richardson+Buckets, Hornets/Utah-deals) would all solve most of our issues immediately. If they dont do anything i think Lebron or AD might just start demanding a trade.
**** those picks down the road. You can always plan your way out of it by then.
DanishLakerFan wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.
Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley
2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant
Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.
Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...
Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.
This is spot on and i really dont see why they aren't doing something to address those needs.
Most of the proposed deals (i.e. Buddy+Turner, Poeltl+Richardson+Buckets, Hornets/Utah-deals) would all solve most of our issues immediately. If they dont do anything i think Lebron or AD might just start demanding a trade.
**** those picks down the road. You can always plan your way out of it by then.
tamaraw08 wrote:DanishLakerFan wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.
Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley
2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant
Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.
Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...
Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.
This is spot on and i really dont see why they aren't doing something to address those needs.
Most of the proposed deals (i.e. Buddy+Turner, Poeltl+Richardson+Buckets, Hornets/Utah-deals) would all solve most of our issues immediately. If they dont do anything i think Lebron or AD might just start demanding a trade.
**** those picks down the road. You can always plan your way out of it by then.
There is marked difference between having Green, KCP, Caruso and even Bradley and rumored trade assets that they might be able to acquire. Those 2020 role players can BOTH DEFEND and SHOOT unlike Hield whose defense is suspect, same with Buckets. Richardson can but is a streaky shooter. One year he'll shoot great, then lay an egg just like in Dallas and with the Sixers.
Having said that, I still hope they can try to find shooters who can defend, Maybe Ham can mask Hield's deficiencies in defense etc.
tamaraw08 wrote:DanishLakerFan wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.
Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley
2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant
Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.
Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...
Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.
This is spot on and i really dont see why they aren't doing something to address those needs.
Most of the proposed deals (i.e. Buddy+Turner, Poeltl+Richardson+Buckets, Hornets/Utah-deals) would all solve most of our issues immediately. If they dont do anything i think Lebron or AD might just start demanding a trade.
**** those picks down the road. You can always plan your way out of it by then.
There is marked difference between having Green, KCP, Caruso and even Bradley and rumored trade assets that they might be able to acquire. Those 2020 role players can BOTH DEFEND and SHOOT unlike Hield whose defense is suspect, same with Buckets. Richardson can but is a streaky shooter. One year he'll shoot great, then lay an egg just like in Dallas and with the Sixers.
Having said that, I still hope they can try to find shooters who can defend, Maybe Ham can mask Hield's deficiencies in defense etc.
DanishLakerFan wrote:tamaraw08 wrote:DanishLakerFan wrote:
This is spot on and i really dont see why they aren't doing something to address those needs.
Most of the proposed deals (i.e. Buddy+Turner, Poeltl+Richardson+Buckets, Hornets/Utah-deals) would all solve most of our issues immediately. If they dont do anything i think Lebron or AD might just start demanding a trade.
**** those picks down the road. You can always plan your way out of it by then.
There is marked difference between having Green, KCP, Caruso and even Bradley and rumored trade assets that they might be able to acquire. Those 2020 role players can BOTH DEFEND and SHOOT unlike Hield whose defense is suspect, same with Buckets. Richardson can but is a streaky shooter. One year he'll shoot great, then lay an egg just like in Dallas and with the Sixers.
Having said that, I still hope they can try to find shooters who can defend, Maybe Ham can mask Hield's deficiencies in defense etc.
I'm not sure i agree with that. No doubt Green, KCP and Caruso would have been awesome to have, but these proposed trade-ideas are pretty solid as well.
Myles Turner and Anthony Davis would be insanely good defensively and the back-court has been ok. Also, Buddy would shoot 10 3s per game.
Poeltl would help in the middle, and while Buckets is a traffic cone, he'll make it up with his shooting. And Josh is solid both ways.
The same thing goes for the Utah and CHarlotte deals.
That said, it is kinda depressing to think about the players we could have had if Jeanie wasn't such a halfwit.
Danny Green was flipped for Schroeder. Caruso walked for nothing. Kuz, KCP and Harrell was moved for Westbrook. Also, New Orleans never really wanted Lonzo in the first place (traded him for **** Garret Temple and Satoransky), so if they had done their jobs just a little better we might have had Lonzo as well. And the MLE and a pick.
zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.
Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley
2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant
Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.
Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...
Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.