Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve?

[pepe1991]

Bol is doing what people hoped Chet would do but with a cheaper contract.

Bol isn't in the same stratosphere as Chet as a prospect.

Bol's an actively bad defender who happens to block a lot of shots because he chases blocks.

Chet's one of the best defensive prospects of all time.

Nonsense.

Bol is averaging 8 RPG in 25 minutes per game.

Rebounding at a higher rate than Carter per minute.

Is he a good low post defender? No

Is Chet a good low post defender? No-one knows because in college he played with a really good low post defender.

It sounds stupid, but I would not trade Bol straight up for Chet.

You are right, it does sound stupid. Because it is.

Bol Bol at average guards 1 pick & roll against ballhandler per game.
Teams score with epic 70% FG ( 90% eFG% ) against him. Currentlly, that's worst pick&roll defense by any nba player.
In addition, on Magic roster, nobody guards isolation worst than Bol.

Look how Pacers played us this game vs last game. They figured Bamba & Bol have zero chance guarding high pick&roll once bigs switch.


By RPM both Bamba & Bol are ranked as rather poor defeneders ( both viewed as Cs). 2 slots above him are Christian Wood & Nurkić, guys who are viewed as defensive liabilities.

By NBA RAPTOR data, defensive raptor ranks him 72th among 101 suited PF. Players who's value on defense was similar to him are Derozan, whatever is left from Lebron and Porter jr. Again, defensive liabilities.


overall Bol blocks shots because he, much like Bamba, chases them. But by doing so he leaves assigments, finds himself in bad spots and is easly bitten off dribble.

To this date, only Pacers did their homework and scouted him and figured how he is weak link. Expect better teams doing the same in near future.

[MagicManMike]

Bol isn't in the same stratosphere as Chet as a prospect.

Bol's an actively bad defender who happens to block a lot of shots because he chases blocks.

Chet's one of the best defensive prospects of all time.

Nonsense.

Bol is averaging 8 RPG in 25 minutes per game.

Rebounding at a higher rate than Carter per minute.

Is he a good low post defender? No

Is Chet a good low post defender? No-one knows because in college he played with a really good low post defender.

It sounds stupid, but I would not trade Bol straight up for Chet.

You are right, it does sound stupid. Because it is.

Bol Bol at average guards 1 pick & roll against ballhandler per game.
Teams score with epic 70% FG ( 90% eFG% ) against him. Currentlly, that's worst pick&roll defense by any nba player.
In addition, on Magic roster, nobody guards isolation worst than Bol.

Look how Pacers played us this game vs last game. They figured Bamba & Bol have zero chance guarding high pick&roll once bigs switch.


By RPM both Bamba & Bol are ranked as rather poor defeneders ( both viewed as Cs). 2 slots above him are Christian Wood & Nurkić, guys who are viewed as defensive liabilities.

By NBA RAPTOR data, defensive raptor ranks him 72th among 101 suited PF. Players who's value on defense was similar to him are Derozan, whatever is left from Lebron and Porter jr. Again, defensive liabilities.


overall Bol blocks shots because he, much like Bamba, chases them. But by doing so he leaves assigments, finds himself in bad spots and is easly bitten off dribble.

To this date, only Pacers did their homework and scouted him and figured how he is weak link. Expect better teams doing the same in near future.

You make decent points but not entire true.

The second Indiana game our shots weren’t falling and they jumped on us quick. Not to mention we lost out best defender in the first half.

Stats show with Bol on the court we are a top 10 defense and with him not we are almost dead last.


“ The Magic were seen as a group that could one day excel defensively, yet this season rank a poor 25th (113.5 points allowed per 100 possessions) in that category. When Bol is on the court, that number is a much better 110.2 points allowed per 100 possessions, which would put the Magic in the top 10 in the league if applied to them as a whole.”

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2022/11/21/importance-bol-bol-everything-orlando-magic/amp/

The entire team is horrible on the P&R because Mosley keeps putting them on the tank worthy zone defense. I’m sure there is a reason to this. I have to assume it’s all about player development. Playing man on man defense they are always taught. Perhaps the different zone defenses is all about developing all of their talent. Then in a year or two know when to deploy which defense to get the best result.

[Bergmaniac]

The lineups with Bol and WCJ on the court together have been really good defensively (103.1 DRTG). The lineups with Bamba and Bol together have been a bit below average defensively (111.8). The lineups where Bol plays without a traditional centre next to him have been a disaster defensively (125.8 DRTG). All of this is exactly what you'd expect, he's not a centre, and him and Bamba playing together are a pretty poor fit.

[MagicManMike]

Any of you sleeping on Bol will look back on threads as certified idiots. He has played a grand total of 710 minutes of basketball SINCE HIGH SCHOOL which was in 2017-2018. Just think about that and then consider the impact he has had this season on the court.

I read these negative comments about him and wonder what planet are you all on. This isn’t someone who has had ANY playing time. What he is doing is more than remarkable. His stats are BETTER than Dwight had for the first few years in the NBA. Better shooting percentage, better fg% better rebounding % BETTER SHOT BLOCKER! I compare him to Dwight because when Dwight came in he never had plays called for him. Was told to go get the ball at the rim and find his points.

Just recently you can see Bol making better passes and setting up his teammates for shots. He isn’t forcing things. Just seriously let’s watch this kid grow. He has barely played at all in 5 full years and now he is playing in the best league against the best competition in the world. Stop expecting him to be a perfect player.

Just look at Suggs getting better as he is getting more PT. Look at how Franz is even better than last year after his adjustment in the NBA. Bol hasn’t had near the time as either of these players in FIVE FULL YEARS.

It took Giannis almost 5 full years to become the Greek Freak. Think about what 5 years does for development. We just got him last year AND HE WAS INJURED. He couldn’t even pass a physical!!! He hasn’t been able to even go through an off season of conditioning & weight program. You’re watching raw talent finding minutes and performing. Give hi. The time to truly develop and in a couple years you might all be wearing his jersey and praying he doesn’t end up in LA.

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I love how Orlando finally lands a fringe starter / sixth man out of nowhere for NOTHING and posters start bitching about his minor flaws less than 1/4 of the way through the season. Classic.

If anything, I hope Bol is the answer to this FO's obsession with length so they start addressing real issues with this roster.

I'm glad Bol is on the roster. I don't care what the argument is being made against him.

[Skybox]

Any of you sleeping on Bol will look back on threads as certified idiots. He has played a grand total of 710 minutes of basketball SINCE HIGH SCHOOL which was in 2017-2018. Just think about that and then consider the impact he has had this season on the court.

I read these negative comments about him and wonder what planet are you all on. This isn’t someone who has had ANY playing time. What he is doing is more than remarkable. His stats are BETTER than Dwight had for the first few years in the NBA. Better shooting percentage, better fg% better rebounding % BETTER SHOT BLOCKER! I compare him to Dwight because when Dwight came in he never had plays called for him. Was told to go get the ball at the rim and find his points.

Just recently you can see Bol making better passes and setting up his teammates for shots. He isn’t forcing things. Just seriously let’s watch this kid grow. He has barely played at all in 5 full years and now he is playing in the best league against the best competition in the world. Stop expecting him to be a perfect player.

Just look at Suggs getting better as he is getting more PT. Look at how Franz is even better than last year after his adjustment in the NBA. Bol hasn’t had near the time as either of these players in FIVE FULL YEARS.

It took Giannis almost 5 full years to become the Greek Freak. Think about what 5 years does for development. We just got him last year AND HE WAS INJURED. He couldn’t even pass a physical!!! He hasn’t been able to even go through an off season of conditioning & weight program. You’re watching raw talent finding minutes and performing. Give hi. The time to truly develop and in a couple years you might all be wearing his jersey and praying he doesn’t end up in LA.

Great points...Dwight is exactly who I think of when I watch Bol.

[SOUL]

I'm excited about Bol. I can't be too nitpicky because this is basically his first taste of actual relative freedom in the NBA. He will have to clean up certain things to be more than a good stats on a bad team sort of guy.. but he does 3-4 things a game out there that just amaze me.

[MagicManMike]

Any of you sleeping on Bol will look back on threads as certified idiots. He has played a grand total of 710 minutes of basketball SINCE HIGH SCHOOL which was in 2017-2018. Just think about that and then consider the impact he has had this season on the court.

I read these negative comments about him and wonder what planet are you all on. This isn’t someone who has had ANY playing time. What he is doing is more than remarkable. His stats are BETTER than Dwight had for the first few years in the NBA. Better shooting percentage, better fg% better rebounding % BETTER SHOT BLOCKER! I compare him to Dwight because when Dwight came in he never had plays called for him. Was told to go get the ball at the rim and find his points.

Just recently you can see Bol making better passes and setting up his teammates for shots. He isn’t forcing things. Just seriously let’s watch this kid grow. He has barely played at all in 5 full years and now he is playing in the best league against the best competition in the world. Stop expecting him to be a perfect player.

Just look at Suggs getting better as he is getting more PT. Look at how Franz is even better than last year after his adjustment in the NBA. Bol hasn’t had near the time as either of these players in FIVE FULL YEARS.

It took Giannis almost 5 full years to become the Greek Freak. Think about what 5 years does for development. We just got him last year AND HE WAS INJURED. He couldn’t even pass a physical!!! He hasn’t been able to even go through an off season of conditioning & weight program. You’re watching raw talent finding minutes and performing. Give hi. The time to truly develop and in a couple years you might all be wearing his jersey and praying he doesn’t end up in LA.

Great points...Dwight is exactly who I think of when I watch Bol.

You have to be joking. He is nothing like Dwight yet he does have a similar impact on the team defensively. My point is Bol has had literally no opportunity to get better in 5 years. For him to do what he is doing right now is remarkable. Hell Grant Hill took forever to become decently consistent after his several year layoff.

The biggest thing about Bol is he is the most unusual player in the NBA. He affects other teams. He is not even close to a finished product. So much upside, to be as skilled as he is, we should be feeling like we nabbed an extra lotto pick this year. Literally in the two years of rebuild we have snagged some top talent in Suggs, Banchero, WCJ, Bol, Franz. Add the two picks this year and hopefully a continued growth in Bamba. Then we have pieces to solidify our true core and other pieces for trades that other teams will want!

[tiderulz]

Any of you sleeping on Bol will look back on threads as certified idiots. He has played a grand total of 710 minutes of basketball SINCE HIGH SCHOOL which was in 2017-2018. Just think about that and then consider the impact he has had this season on the court.

I read these negative comments about him and wonder what planet are you all on. This isn’t someone who has had ANY playing time. What he is doing is more than remarkable. His stats are BETTER than Dwight had for the first few years in the NBA. Better shooting percentage, better fg% better rebounding % BETTER SHOT BLOCKER! I compare him to Dwight because when Dwight came in he never had plays called for him. Was told to go get the ball at the rim and find his points.

Just recently you can see Bol making better passes and setting up his teammates for shots. He isn’t forcing things. Just seriously let’s watch this kid grow. He has barely played at all in 5 full years and now he is playing in the best league against the best competition in the world. Stop expecting him to be a perfect player.

Just look at Suggs getting better as he is getting more PT. Look at how Franz is even better than last year after his adjustment in the NBA. Bol hasn’t had near the time as either of these players in FIVE FULL YEARS.

It took Giannis almost 5 full years to become the Greek Freak. Think about what 5 years does for development. We just got him last year AND HE WAS INJURED. He couldn’t even pass a physical!!! He hasn’t been able to even go through an off season of conditioning & weight program. You’re watching raw talent finding minutes and performing. Give hi. The time to truly develop and in a couple years you might all be wearing his jersey and praying he doesn’t end up in LA.

Great points...Dwight is exactly who I think of when I watch Bol.

no green font? their games arent anywhere close to the same

[basketballRob]

Bol is doing what people hoped Chet would do but with a cheaper contract.

Bol isn't in the same stratosphere as Chet as a prospect.

Bol's an actively bad defender who happens to block a lot of shots because he chases blocks.

Chet's one of the best defensive prospects of all time.

Chet had the same block percentage as Bamba in college against a weaker conference.

Just noticed Detroit fans had a "we need to fire someone for not keeping Bol thread" in Reddit.

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[basketballRob]

Nonsense.

Bol is averaging 8 RPG in 25 minutes per game.

Rebounding at a higher rate than Carter per minute.

Is he a good low post defender? No

Is Chet a good low post defender? No-one knows because in college he played with a really good low post defender.

It sounds stupid, but I would not trade Bol straight up for Chet.

I'm not sure what rebounding necessarily has to do with defense. They're separate things to me personally.

Bol's DRTG and Net Rating are both much worse than Carter's.

Bol does blocks a good amount of shots, but he also he chases a lot of blocks he can't get to, which ultimately gets him out of position often.

Chet was the better drop defender bigs I've ever seen in college.

Even with the unknown of Chet having suffered a serious injury before he ever stepped on the basketball court in an NBA game, I'd still take him over Bol because he's 3 years younger and under contract for 3 years longer than Bol.

He rarely played against anyone over 6'8"

He'll likely go down as a Darko-level bust because of that injury.

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[Skybox]

Any of you sleeping on Bol will look back on threads as certified idiots. He has played a grand total of 710 minutes of basketball SINCE HIGH SCHOOL which was in 2017-2018. Just think about that and then consider the impact he has had this season on the court.

I read these negative comments about him and wonder what planet are you all on. This isn’t someone who has had ANY playing time. What he is doing is more than remarkable. His stats are BETTER than Dwight had for the first few years in the NBA. Better shooting percentage, better fg% better rebounding % BETTER SHOT BLOCKER! I compare him to Dwight because when Dwight came in he never had plays called for him. Was told to go get the ball at the rim and find his points.

Just recently you can see Bol making better passes and setting up his teammates for shots. He isn’t forcing things. Just seriously let’s watch this kid grow. He has barely played at all in 5 full years and now he is playing in the best league against the best competition in the world. Stop expecting him to be a perfect player.

Just look at Suggs getting better as he is getting more PT. Look at how Franz is even better than last year after his adjustment in the NBA. Bol hasn’t had near the time as either of these players in FIVE FULL YEARS.

It took Giannis almost 5 full years to become the Greek Freak. Think about what 5 years does for development. We just got him last year AND HE WAS INJURED. He couldn’t even pass a physical!!! He hasn’t been able to even go through an off season of conditioning & weight program. You’re watching raw talent finding minutes and performing. Give hi. The time to truly develop and in a couple years you might all be wearing his jersey and praying he doesn’t end up in LA.

Great points...Dwight is exactly who I think of when I watch Bol.

no green font? their games arent anywhere close to the same

There isn't one green enough for this

[Knightro]

He rarely played against anyone over 6'8"

He'll likely go down as a Darko-level bust because of that injury.

[MagicManMike]

Bol is doing what people hoped Chet would do but with a cheaper contract.

Bol isn't in the same stratosphere as Chet as a prospect.

Bol's an actively bad defender who happens to block a lot of shots because he chases blocks.

Chet's one of the best defensive prospects of all time.

Chet had the same block percentage as Bamba in college against a weaker conference.

Just noticed Detroit fans had a "we need to fire someone for not keeping Bol thread" in Reddit.

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I saw that. We need to realize we caught a gem. Basically we got two high lottery picks this year and last.

[shadrock]

Every 5 games is better than the last games ......Bol's last 5 gms is 16 ppg/10 rpg ..... I find it laughable that the Locked on Magic guy thinks Bol should be a 6th man.
There's going to be a day of reckoning soon , between Bol and Fultz ,who starts.
Does Bol sit and Fultz starts because musical chairs happens. Fultz starts and Suggs moves to the SG position and Wagner bumps Bol to the bench. This doesnt make the Magic better because your best rebounder and ONLY shotblocker is on the bench to start and finish the games.
Suggs should be the PG and Wagner SG and Bol remain the SF .Sh*t happens when injuries occur and Markelle shouldnt come back as the starting PG.

Oh my god down listen to that child from Locked on Magic. So many better options out there now for Magic Podcasts. I cannot stand to listen to Phillip Rossman Reich go on his incoherent rants about nothing.

He is a front office fanboy more than the actual team . He will always take the organization side .

Hes just the kind of lap dog the want to be the media for the team. Doesnt ask tough questions. Doesnt write anything controversial.

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Oh my god down listen to that child from Locked on Magic. So many better options out there now for Magic Podcasts. I cannot stand to listen to Phillip Rossman Reich go on his incoherent rants about nothing.

He is a front office fanboy more than the actual team . He will always take the organization side .

Hes just the kind of lap dog the want to be the media for the team. Doesnt ask tough questions. Doesnt write anything controversial.

What gave it away?

Was it the decade of being a Vuc/Fournier/AG apologist at every possible turn?

PRR is the embodiment of the Magic Reddit and the antithesis of real discussion or observation.

[jezzerinho]

Yeah, but he goes to games for free.

[MagicManMike]

https://fansided.com/2022/11/20/bol-bol-turning-everything-teams-think-victor-wembanyama/amp/

[pepe1991]

Being casual fan with most superficial knowledge of sport with copy past "tehnique" makes you writer nowdays i guess...

Other than being basketball players, there is nothing alike between Bol and Victor.

It's same idiotic comparisons that people fooled into Bamba " Gobert with 3 point shot". ( just ignore fact that he hates contact, is dumb, is lazy, has zero awarness, can't set screen to save his life... but hey, he is tall, therfore = Gobert)

[basketballRob]

Bol 6th in MIP odds.

https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/nba?tab=player-awards

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