FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase

Moderators: kdawg32086, magik9113

Blame Rasho
On Leave
Posts: 42,316
And1: 10,078
Joined: Apr 25, 2002

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#341 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:14 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:Senegal (vs England), Switserland (vs Portugal) and Japan (vs Croatia) are good enough for an upset, but upsets are rare in the knock out fase. Some countries are happy to get to the last 16, for others the tournament starts now.


I think with the 5 subs the dynamic will change for deeper teams in extra time. I honestly know some teams the drop off in subs is vast and some it is exponentially better given how the players form is.

A world class goal keeper in pks showdown, can make a difference like how Navas did with Costa Rica did.
Sedale Threatt
RealGM
Posts: 51,223
And1: 45,822
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
Location: Clearing space in the trophy case.

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#342 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:24 pm

Surprising. PK obviously skews things but even without I wouldn't think it was that close. Takeaway: It's nice to have Kylian Mbappe.

Read on Twitter
User avatar
G R E Y
Senior Mod - Spurs
Senior Mod - Spurs
Posts: 52,917
And1: 40,396
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Location: Silver and Black
 

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#343 » by G R E Y » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:25 pm

Congrats to France. Quality goals.

Glad Lewandowski got the final say on the PK.

p.s. Nice sportsmanship between the teams.
ImageImageImage
The Spurs Way Ever Onward

#XX
Blame Rasho
On Leave
Posts: 42,316
And1: 10,078
Joined: Apr 25, 2002

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#344 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:27 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:Surprising. PK obviously skews things but even without I wouldn't think it was that close. Takeaway: It's nice to have Kylian Mbappe.

Read on Twitter



I said this in another thread, Mbappe is just unworldly, but he likely makes less than Jordan Poole will make over their careers.
Sedale Threatt
RealGM
Posts: 51,223
And1: 45,822
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
Location: Clearing space in the trophy case.

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#345 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:31 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:Surprising. PK obviously skews things but even without I wouldn't think it was that close. Takeaway: It's nice to have Kylian Mbappe.

Read on Twitter


I said this in another thread, Mbappe is just unworldly, but he likely makes less than Jordan Poole will make over their careers.


You know, I honestly don't know anything about futbol salaries. But isn't he making way over $100 million Euros per season? I remember reading about the new deal he signed with PNG and the total seemed somewhat staggering, even if he is almost certainly worth it.
User avatar
Baphomet
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 13,234
And1: 6,251
Joined: Dec 03, 2008
Location: UK
   

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#346 » by Baphomet » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:35 pm

Mbappe's the highest paid footballer, and possibly athlete, in the world, I think he makes over 2m per week, 128m per year.
Dirk
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 13,665
And1: 37,520
Joined: Dec 12, 2005
     

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#347 » by Dirk » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:36 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:You know, I honestly don't know anything about futbol salaries. But isn't he making way over $100 million Euros per season? I remember reading about the new deal he signed with PNG and the total seemed somewhat staggering, even if he is almost certainly worth it.


Yes, Mbappe is the highest paid player on the planet. Highest salary than anyone in the NBA. And he'll milk more "bonuses" soon since his contract is "short term" and he'll always have leverage.
Sedale Threatt
RealGM
Posts: 51,223
And1: 45,822
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
Location: Clearing space in the trophy case.

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#348 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:41 pm

Dirk wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:You know, I honestly don't know anything about futbol salaries. But isn't he making way over $100 million Euros per season? I remember reading about the new deal he signed with PNG and the total seemed somewhat staggering, even if he is almost certainly worth it.


Yes, Mbappe is the highest paid player on the planet. Highest salary than anyone in the NBA. And he'll milk more "bonuses" soon since his contract is "short term" and he'll always have leverage.


Yeah, I just looked up the numbers and holy fcking sht. Again, he's probably worth it, but that's a lot of cheddar, lol. A handful of NBA players like LeBron, Giannis, etc would almost certainly command that without the salary cap. But European soccer is the wild, wild west in comparison.

Man, I remember my brain almost exploding when Hakeem Olajuwon went over $3 million per year back in 90 or 91. That won't even get you a decent 5th guard now.
Dirk
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 13,665
And1: 37,520
Joined: Dec 12, 2005
     

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#349 » by Dirk » Sun Dec 4, 2022 5:50 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:You know, I honestly don't know anything about futbol salaries. But isn't he making way over $100 million Euros per season? I remember reading about the new deal he signed with PNG and the total seemed somewhat staggering, even if he is almost certainly worth it.


Yes, Mbappe is the highest paid player on the planet. Highest salary than anyone in the NBA. And he'll milk more "bonuses" soon since his contract is "short term" and he'll always have leverage.


Yeah, I just looked up the numbers and holy fcking sht. Again, he's probably worth it, but that's a lot of cheddar, lol. A handful of NBA players like LeBron, Giannis, etc would almost certainly command that without the salary cap. But European soccer is the wild, wild west in comparison.

Man, I remember my brain almost exploding when Hakeem Olajuwon went over $3 million per year back in 90 or 91. That won't even get you a decent 5th guard now.


Interesting debate... without salary cap... how much would some guys make in the NBA.

He is probably worth the money all things considered, but his team just print "monopoly money" from Qatar (PSG). It is what it is... what I mean is that they basically have unlimited resources and just seemingly launder funds. If this team purely relied on "real" revenue, they wouldn't be able to afford it.

Remember, this club also pays Messi and Neymar. :lol: And many others. It's just ridiculous to look at their payroll.

Real Madrid pursued Mbappe for two seasons and were favorites to sign him. He used that to get that obnoxious contract (and he dictates many things in the way the team is managed).

Recently it was revealed the new contract is until 2024. So soon enough... he'll do the same thing and get another ludicrous signing bonus + salary.
User avatar
clyde21
RealGM
Posts: 64,132
And1: 70,279
Joined: Aug 20, 2014
     

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#350 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:00 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:You know, I honestly don't know anything about futbol salaries. But isn't he making way over $100 million Euros per season? I remember reading about the new deal he signed with PNG and the total seemed somewhat staggering, even if he is almost certainly worth it.


Yes, Mbappe is the highest paid player on the planet. Highest salary than anyone in the NBA. And he'll milk more "bonuses" soon since his contract is "short term" and he'll always have leverage.


Yeah, I just looked up the numbers and holy fcking sht. Again, he's probably worth it, but that's a lot of cheddar, lol. A handful of NBA players like LeBron, Giannis, etc would almost certainly command that without the salary cap. But European soccer is the wild, wild west in comparison.

Man, I remember my brain almost exploding when Hakeem Olajuwon went over $3 million per year back in 90 or 91. That won't even get you a decent 5th guard now.


i guess if that's what the market is paying it is what it is but hard to imagine anyone in soccer being worth that lol, even prime Messi.
Sedale Threatt
RealGM
Posts: 51,223
And1: 45,822
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
Location: Clearing space in the trophy case.

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#351 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:04 pm

Dirk wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Yes, Mbappe is the highest paid player on the planet. Highest salary than anyone in the NBA. And he'll milk more "bonuses" soon since his contract is "short term" and he'll always have leverage.


Yeah, I just looked up the numbers and holy fcking sht. Again, he's probably worth it, but that's a lot of cheddar, lol. A handful of NBA players like LeBron, Giannis, etc would almost certainly command that without the salary cap. But European soccer is the wild, wild west in comparison.

Man, I remember my brain almost exploding when Hakeem Olajuwon went over $3 million per year back in 90 or 91. That won't even get you a decent 5th guard now.


Interesting debate... without salary cap... how much would some guys make in the NBA.

He is probably worth the money all things considered, but his team just print "monopoly money" from Qatar (PSG). It is what it is... what I mean is that they basically have unlimited resources and just seemingly launder funds. If this team purely relied on "real" revenue, they wouldn't be able to afford it.

Remember, this club also pays Messi and Neymar. :lol: And many others. It's just ridiculous to look at their payroll.

Real Madrid pursued Mbappe for two seasons and were favorites to sign him. He used that to get that obnoxious contract (and he dictates many things in the way the team is managed).

Recently it was revealed the new contract is until 2024. So soon enough... he'll do the same thing and get another ludicrous signing bonus + salary.


Right, when you're talking about a sovereign wealth fund, there's basically zero limit to what they can spend. And if you're going to lavish somebody with oil money, it might as well be players like him.

With the NBA, there's zero doubt that top guys would be making far more money. What would happen there is that the Al Horfords and Malcolm Brogdons of the world -- to say nothing of guys even further down on the totem pole -- would make far, far less. Which would undoubtedly be more "fair." Given how much attention and talent they bring to the table, you could never pay LeBron or Giannis what they're worth under the current rules.

Especially in a sport like basketball where one player can instantly flip your team's fortunes so dramatically. He's had some help but look at what Steph has done for the Warriors. They've gone from punch line to one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world with a sparkling new arena. All for the relative pittance of $250 million in career earnings.

I shudder to think what somebody like Steve Ballmer would be willing to shell out with zero constraints.
Bobbcats
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,951
And1: 487
Joined: Jan 22, 2006

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#352 » by Bobbcats » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:05 pm

I wonder if Deschamps stays on if they win again.

I feel bad for Zidane who's stopped his career to make sure he can step in, but the next generation (the ones younger than Mbappe) is starting to look incredible as well, would be hard to step down with all the history he could make.
wco81
RealGM
Posts: 26,933
And1: 11,500
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
       

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#353 » by wco81 » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:12 pm

Dirk wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Yes, Mbappe is the highest paid player on the planet. Highest salary than anyone in the NBA. And he'll milk more "bonuses" soon since his contract is "short term" and he'll always have leverage.


Yeah, I just looked up the numbers and holy fcking sht. Again, he's probably worth it, but that's a lot of cheddar, lol. A handful of NBA players like LeBron, Giannis, etc would almost certainly command that without the salary cap. But European soccer is the wild, wild west in comparison.

Man, I remember my brain almost exploding when Hakeem Olajuwon went over $3 million per year back in 90 or 91. That won't even get you a decent 5th guard now.


Interesting debate... without salary cap... how much would some guys make in the NBA.

He is probably worth the money all things considered, but his team just print "monopoly money" from Qatar (PSG). It is what it is... what I mean is that they basically have unlimited resources and just seemingly launder funds. If this team purely relied on "real" revenue, they wouldn't be able to afford it.

Remember, this club also pays Messi and Neymar. :lol: And many others. It's just ridiculous to look at their payroll.

Real Madrid pursued Mbappe for two seasons and were favorites to sign him. He used that to get that obnoxious contract (and he dictates many things in the way the team is managed).

Recently it was revealed the new contract is until 2024. So soon enough... he'll do the same thing and get another ludicrous signing bonus + salary.


I presume PSG sells out their home matches and commands high prices. That's a tony part of Paris too.

But playing in Paris, he must have a ton of endorsement income on top of the salary.

As rich as the Qataris are, can they buy enough other good players to win the CL?
Evenacus
Junior
Posts: 426
And1: 264
Joined: Feb 24, 2018
   

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#354 » by Evenacus » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:19 pm

Allegedly, Mbappe is due approx. 600 mil. euros for 3 ( three) years of contract in PSG. Most of it is from bonuses which are attainable as long as he stays with the team. His pay is around 1.4 mil dollars per week.
Damn, I wouldn't move to any other club either for a few years with these kind of numbers. :banghead: :banghead:
Evenacus
Junior
Posts: 426
And1: 264
Joined: Feb 24, 2018
   

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#355 » by Evenacus » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:22 pm

Bobbcats wrote:I wonder if Deschamps stays on if they win again.

I feel bad for Zidane who's stopped his career to make sure he can step in, but the next generation (the ones younger than Mbappe) is starting to look incredible as well, would be hard to step down with all the history he could make.


There is no reason for Deschamps to step down should they win. Only a monumental f**k up would make him step down. Especially with the kind of players they have/ are coming in the future.
Zidane is basically dumb if that is what he is waiting for. He should take over another club, I can see him coming back to Real Madrid to take over from Ancelloti.
User avatar
clyde21
RealGM
Posts: 64,132
And1: 70,279
Joined: Aug 20, 2014
     

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#356 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:23 pm

wco81 wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
Yeah, I just looked up the numbers and holy fcking sht. Again, he's probably worth it, but that's a lot of cheddar, lol. A handful of NBA players like LeBron, Giannis, etc would almost certainly command that without the salary cap. But European soccer is the wild, wild west in comparison.

Man, I remember my brain almost exploding when Hakeem Olajuwon went over $3 million per year back in 90 or 91. That won't even get you a decent 5th guard now.


Interesting debate... without salary cap... how much would some guys make in the NBA.

He is probably worth the money all things considered, but his team just print "monopoly money" from Qatar (PSG). It is what it is... what I mean is that they basically have unlimited resources and just seemingly launder funds. If this team purely relied on "real" revenue, they wouldn't be able to afford it.

Remember, this club also pays Messi and Neymar. :lol: And many others. It's just ridiculous to look at their payroll.

Real Madrid pursued Mbappe for two seasons and were favorites to sign him. He used that to get that obnoxious contract (and he dictates many things in the way the team is managed).

Recently it was revealed the new contract is until 2024. So soon enough... he'll do the same thing and get another ludicrous signing bonus + salary.


I presume PSG sells out their home matches and commands high prices. That's a tony part of Paris too.

But playing in Paris, he must have a ton of endorsement income on top of the salary.

As rich as the Qataris are, can they buy enough other good players to win the CL?


well they also have Messi (63m) and Neymar (56m) on their frontline lol

they also just paid 50+m for Sergio Ramos for backline support.

they have like nothing invested in their midfield tho, relatively speaking.
Pharmcat
RealGM
Posts: 56,844
And1: 19,334
Joined: Oct 05, 2002

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#357 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:24 pm

I don’t see anyone beating France . Mbappe is best player in world
Image
Pharmcat
RealGM
Posts: 56,844
And1: 19,334
Joined: Oct 05, 2002

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#358 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:25 pm

Evenacus wrote:Allegedly, Mbappe is due approx. 600 mil. euros for 3 ( three) years of contract in PSG. Most of it is from bonuses which are attainable as long as he stays with the team. His pay is around 1.4 mil dollars per week.
Damn, I wouldn't move to any other club either for a few years with these kind of numbers. :banghead: :banghead:


He plays in a joke league , if he wants to be in the all time goat he needs to go to Spain or England leagues
Image
User avatar
clyde21
RealGM
Posts: 64,132
And1: 70,279
Joined: Aug 20, 2014
     

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#359 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:26 pm

Pharmcat wrote:I don’t see anyone beating France . Mbappe is best player in world


Image
User avatar
clyde21
RealGM
Posts: 64,132
And1: 70,279
Joined: Aug 20, 2014
     

Re: FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Knockout Phase 

Post#360 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 4, 2022 6:27 pm

Read on Twitter

Return to The General Soccer Board