PG: Julius "Steph Curry" Randle carries us once again

[dakomish23]

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Now bring Cam back in the mix and stop the nonsense Thibs

My completely uneducated guess is that they have a trade lined up for Cam already that they can't complete until December 15th and therefore are keeping him in bubble wrap until then. Doesn't make sense to not give him Obi's minutes otherwise.

We'll see on Friday if they stick to an 8 man rotation like it seems like they will if Obi is out.

Good call

[dakomish23]

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I'm just so happy for this kid. Hopefully ppl realize this could be the norm and that's why you need to have patience.

Let's see how he adjust when the defense starts planning for him

Hard to gameplan for a guy who doesn't have the ball in his hands to get his shots

[KnicksNext]

It's funny how this board switches future Knicks stars every week. RJ, Obi, Cam, IQ and Grimes. That's our starting 5 of rotating future stars depending on the week (or game).

This week Grimes is back in the spotlight. Not that I don't love the kid, but we do this over and over again.

I ain't even gonna lie I have thought all those guys are bums for a while now.

Tired of fellow Knicks fans overhyping every bum that we draft just because we drafted them.

None of them really look promising to me especially RJ who I always hoped would prove me wrong but nope. He is what I thought he would be.

Only bright point is Brunson. Neutral on Randle for now, he is ok. Compared to RJ Brickrett he is a superstar.

Yep, I'm with you. I always look like a Knicks hater because I try to keep it real about each individual player. I don't believe any of them are future stars, but Grimes still has a chance. I don't think he will be, but I won't completely rule it out. RJ/Obi/IQ are definitely not going to be stars.

The Cam situation is interesting. He was playing well, then something got in his head and he started to really press things and was putting up some crazy shots. I think Thibs decided he couldn't deal with that while trying to win games, so he benched him. Now I don't even believe Cam will be here next year.

[KnicksNext]

I wonder what it would take for a team to take RJ, considering the player he is currently and with the contract he just signed. Would we need to attach a 1st for a team to take a chance with that contract?

What other RJ is there to consider?

I know what you mean, of course. I think it depends on what we’re taking back. I’m sure there are many different ways to use RJ in a trade if we were inclined to go in that direction. Would we looking to move him to create cap space? Maybe we attach him to Fournier for Westbrook and a number 1?

Yeah, I could have written that better.

Maybe you're right and we can include a Fournier and get another big contract back that comes off this book (ala Westbrook). But, does this FO want to give up on RJ before he even starts the deal they just signed him to this summer? I don't think so.

This is such a weird roster. IMHO the FO loves Randle AND RJ, so that means that we're 'building' around them. People have a much different opinion than I do and I understand that, but I truly believe this FO is not all that upset about where we're at right now. We're close to a .500 team and Randle is flashing.

Since RJ just signed and is 22, I think they feel like he has time to turn it around. I highly doubt they're ready to give up on RJ either.

[moocow007]

We could team up, keeps playing like this there's gona be teams that wanna add him, so win-win for team Randle / Randle haters. UNITE!!!

I'm wit it... Randle can't sustain a career in NY we savages so better for him to go to a smaller market

Julius is not being traded playing like this dude. We’re past that now lol. He’s still going to play like a bonehead sometimes, but he’s been balling for the most part.

Obi has been allergic to the paint on offense this season. He’s been soft. Barely even dunks anymore. The way he’s played lately he deserves to get benched, not start.

The Julius vs Obi stuff is over for now. As long as Julius can actually keep this up then I have little issue with keeping him, although Id still sell high before he goes postal again.

He will get traded Randle stan Knicks know they can't build around that loser

They couldn't build around Randle, they couldn't build around Carmelo, they couldn't build around Marbury, they couldn't build around Ewing...maybe the problem isn't the player? But yes, let's trade Randle for Giannis that should take care of it.

[KnicksNext]

I wonder what it would take for a team to take RJ, considering the player he is currently and with the contract he just signed. Would we need to attach a 1st for a team to take a chance with that contract?

What other RJ is there to consider?

I know what you mean, of course. I think it depends on what we’re taking back. I’m sure there are many different ways to use RJ in a trade if we were inclined to go in that direction. Would we looking to move him to create cap space? Maybe we attach him to Fournier for Westbrook and a number 1?

RJ straight up for Duarte, Duarte has more upside & we get rid of RJ's ridiculous contract.

I'm in!

[moocow007]

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Yeah I'm with you on this. The Knicks biggest problems have been against guards that can attack and get comfortable so being able to disrupt that at the point of attack definitely will help defensively. And making the opposing team work and chase you down the court is a good way of getting them to expend energy on that end so they aren't fresh when they have the ball. The Knicks have been the antithesis of both for most of the past 2 decades.

[TrueWarrior]

It's funny how this board switches future Knicks stars every week. RJ, Obi, Cam, IQ and Grimes. That's our starting 5 of rotating future stars depending on the week (or game).

This week Grimes is back in the spotlight. Not that I don't love the kid, but we do this over and over again.

I ain't even gonna lie I have thought all those guys are bums for a while now.

Tired of fellow Knicks fans overhyping every bum that we draft just because we drafted them.

None of them really look promising to me especially RJ who I always hoped would prove me wrong but nope. He is what I thought he would be.

Only bright point is Brunson. Neutral on Randle for now, he is ok. Compared to RJ Brickrett he is a superstar.

Yep, I'm with you. I always look like a Knicks hater because I try to keep it real about each individual player. I don't believe any of them are future stars, but Grimes still has a chance. I don't think he will be, but I won't completely rule it out. RJ/Obi/IQ are definitely not going to be stars.

The Cam situation is interesting. He was playing well, then something got in his head and he started to really press things and was putting up some crazy shots. I think Thibs decided he couldn't deal with that while trying to win games, so he benched him. Now I don't even believe Cam will be here next year.

We have to have some hope our young guys can improve though, otherwise our situation is pretty damn depressing.

Brunson and Julius are good, but not great players, so the only way we can become a contender is if our youngsters get better to either help the team themselves or get traded.

It’s not like RJ, Obi, IQ, and Cam havent shown plenty of flashes, and looked to be on the verge a few times. Other teams have less talented players take leaps out of nowhere, but ours never seem to. Maybe its our developmental staff. Who knows.

I dont think many posters think any of our young guys will be stars now. Grimes projects to be a solid starter, but probably not an All Star. They can all still be good secondary/role players though.

What Im saying is, no need to get on others for trying to be positive about this crappy organization. Some may take it too far, but I think most have been pretty fair.

Its no secret I dont like Julius, but he’s been better this season, and looks to be staying, so I’ve been giving him props. Many trolls here wouldn’t do the same.

[j4remi]

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Yeah I'm with you on this. The Knicks biggest problems have been against guards that can attack and get comfortable so being able to disrupt that at the point of attack definitely will help defensively. And making the opposing team work and chase you down the court is a good way of getting them to expend energy on that end so they aren't fresh when they have the ball. The Knicks have been the antithesis of both for most of the past 2 decades.

It’s such a rhythm based sport and we actually have to tools to break that rhythm up. The Hawks had guys rushing stuff that they didn’t even have to. I love that Grimes and McBride won’t let players gather comfortably because they’re smothering ‘em.

And the pace just had everyone moving a little faster than they’d like (even Trae Young). It’s legit the most refreshing thing I’ve seen in a game this year.

Also transition offense is better for RJ and Randle. If they’re gonna put their heads down and run at the paint, at least there are less defenders there in transition situations

[KNICKFAN374]

Again ... this is under the assumption that we stupidly keep both Randle & RJ on this team; Tibs should play them together as little as possible. The more I watch RJ, the more I'm starting to think that I would keep Randle over him, assuming we had to keep one of them (and that's very tough for me to say).

[duetta]

They couldn't build around Randle, they couldn't build around Carmelo, they couldn't build around Marbury, they couldn't build around Ewing...maybe the problem isn't the player? But yes, let's trade Randle for Giannis that should take care of it.

It's hard to build around players who don't play both sides of the court - unless they are so utterly dominant on one side that they tower over their opponents. Only Ewing in your list met either of these qualifications.

From what I read here and hear from people like Macri, the defensive metrics of the team when Randle is on the court are markedly worse than when he is not.

The knuckleheads on this board consistently try to make the argument one of Randle vs. RJ. But it's really about winning.

The Knicks can afford to cover for one poor defender. That player should be Brunson.

[Woodsanity]

I ain't even gonna lie I have thought all those guys are bums for a while now.

Tired of fellow Knicks fans overhyping every bum that we draft just because we drafted them.

None of them really look promising to me especially RJ who I always hoped would prove me wrong but nope. He is what I thought he would be.

Only bright point is Brunson. Neutral on Randle for now, he is ok. Compared to RJ Brickrett he is a superstar.

Yep, I'm with you. I always look like a Knicks hater because I try to keep it real about each individual player. I don't believe any of them are future stars, but Grimes still has a chance. I don't think he will be, but I won't completely rule it out. RJ/Obi/IQ are definitely not going to be stars.

The Cam situation is interesting. He was playing well, then something got in his head and he started to really press things and was putting up some crazy shots. I think Thibs decided he couldn't deal with that while trying to win games, so he benched him. Now I don't even believe Cam will be here next year.

We have to have some hope our young guys can improve though, otherwise our situation is pretty damn depressing.

Brunson and Julius are good, but not great players, so the only way we can become a contender is if our youngsters get better to either help the team themselves or get traded.

It’s not like RJ, Obi, IQ, and Cam havent shown plenty of flashes, and looked to be on the verge a few times. Other teams have less talented players take leaps out of nowhere, but ours never seem to. Maybe its our developmental staff. Who knows.

I dont think many posters think any of our young guys will be stars now. Grimes projects to be a solid starter, but probably not an All Star. They can all still be good secondary/role players though.

What Im saying is, no need to get on others for trying to be positive about this crappy organization. Some may take it too far, but I think most have been pretty fair.

Its no secret I dont like Julius, but he’s been better this season, and looks to be staying, so I’ve been giving him props. Many trolls here wouldn’t do the same.

Yes I hope they improve but my expectations are very low. Only way I can cope as a Knicks fan. That way when I get disappointed for the 20th time I don't mind much.

[sol537]

Randle + Robinson for Ayton + Crowder... makes too much sense for both teams...

[moocow007]

They couldn't build around Randle, they couldn't build around Carmelo, they couldn't build around Marbury, they couldn't build around Ewing...maybe the problem isn't the player? But yes, let's trade Randle for Giannis that should take care of it.

It's hard to build around players who don't play both sides of the court - unless they are so utterly dominant on one side that they tower over their opponents. Only Ewing in your list met either of these qualifications.

From what I read here and hear from people like Macri, the defensive metrics of the team when Randle is on the court are markedly worse than when he is not.

The knuckleheads on this board consistently try to make the argument one of Randle vs. RJ. But it's really about winning.

The Knicks can afford to cover for one poor defender. That player should be Brunson.

If we're talking about a championship then obviously, but we couldn't even do that with Ewing. We're talking about just winning and looking like a decent team here. And that's something that we haven't seen but for basically 2012-2013 when we saw that you CAN actually build around a one dimensional offensive talent. Folks have it in their heads that it's either "win it all or nothing". We need to scale expectations down a bit and try to just be a very good team. And we can blame Randle for everything as much as we want but you tell me, what player can win anything with the crap that Randle has been playing with? Right...Lebron in his prime, Giannis, and guys of that level. The problem here isn't Randle, just like it wasn't Carmelo (who had JR Smith as his consistently best 2nd), just like Marubry (who had Eddy Curry), etc. The problem is the FO's inability to build a team. As far as the Randle vs RJ argument? Funny that when Randle was down and RJ seemed to be on the rise that was EXACTLY what most of this board was using as the argument (and having quite a grand old time at it if I might add). Now that Randle is up and RJ is down we don't want that to be the argument? Come on. Unless you guys believe that RJ Barrett can somehow become more than he's not shown he can be in 4 years here, Julius Randle is the better player and the one that you can more do things with. It's always been the case since the 2 of them have been on this team together. Doesn't mean Randle is great but rather that RJ is even less great and that this FO and the teams that it's been trotting out has been mostly hot garbage.

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