When would you generally say LeBron surpassed MJ all-time?

Ein Sof · Post #1 » by **Ein Sof** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:05 pm

2016?

2018?

2020?

Maybe earlier?

Jaivl · Post #2 » by **Jaivl** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:26 pm

After 2018 for me. Think I already had him as my GOAT after 2017, but I've reevaluated since then.

PhiEaglesfan712 · Post #3 » by **PhiEaglesfan712** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:38 pm

Jaivl wrote:After 2018 for me. Think I already had him as my GOAT after 2017, but I've reevaluated since then.

I agree. LeBron leading that sorry Cavs team to the Finals was the moment that cemented him as the GOAT.

HeartBreakKid · Post #4 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:38 pm

This is phrased in a way that is sure to invite flaming.

I don't recall, but probably within the last 4-5 years.

No-more-rings · Post #5 » by **No-more-rings** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:48 pm

I’d probably still have MJ ahead, but I think anywhere from 2016 onward is reasonable. Though obviously Lebron hasn’t had a great season since 2020. Very likely his last go as the “best in the league” level. I recall saying something like that after it happened and people looked at me like it was a stupid take.

Colbinii · Post #6 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:03 am

I dont think the thread makes sense as many people still view Jordan as a greater player on their "list" than LeBron.

Personally, I'm not sure, I could probably search my post history but anywhere between 2014-2020 makes sense.

I dont see a way how the 2021 or 2022 LeBron seasons somehow cemented Jordan or 2013 as Jordan still has more MVP level years at that point.

prolific passer · Post #7 » by **prolific passer** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:08 am

2003

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1984

Post #8 » by **PaulieWal** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:38 am

No-more-rings wrote:I’d probably still have MJ ahead, but I think anywhere from 2016 onward is reasonable. Though obviously Lebron hasn’t had a great season since 2020. Very likely his last go as the “best in the league” level. I recall saying something like that after it happened and people looked at me like it was a stupid take.

To be fair he started the 2021 season as "best in the league" level again and then got injured when Solomon Hill dove into his ankle. Without that injury it's most likely LeBron keeps that level of play up and the Lakers are not a play-in team avoiding the Suns in 1st round.

No-more-rings · Post #9 » by **No-more-rings** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:56 am

PaulieWal wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:I’d probably still have MJ ahead, but I think anywhere from 2016 onward is reasonable. Though obviously Lebron hasn’t had a great season since 2020. Very likely his last go as the “best in the league” level. I recall saying something like that after it happened and people looked at me like it was a stupid take.

To be fair he started the 2021 season as "best in the league" level again and then got injured when Solomon Hill dove into his ankle. Without that injury it's most likely LeBron keeps that level of play up and the Lakers are not a play-in team avoiding the Suns in 1st round.

I mean fine, but I was already factoring in how harder it gets to stay healthy when you get up there in age and miles like that. You could even argue the shortened season helped an older Lebron even in 2020.

Colbinii · Post #10 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:03 am

No-more-rings wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:I’d probably still have MJ ahead, but I think anywhere from 2016 onward is reasonable. Though obviously Lebron hasn’t had a great season since 2020. Very likely his last go as the “best in the league” level. I recall saying something like that after it happened and people looked at me like it was a stupid take.

To be fair he started the 2021 season as "best in the league" level again and then got injured when Solomon Hill dove into his ankle. Without that injury it's most likely LeBron keeps that level of play up and the Lakers are not a play-in team avoiding the Suns in 1st round.

I mean fine, but I was already factoring in how harder it gets to stay healthy when you get up there in age and miles like that. You could even argue the shortened season helped an older Lebron even in 2020.

Thats a flawed argument though and any who says that is clearly biased towards Jordan.

No-more-rings · Post #11 » by **No-more-rings** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:24 am

Colbinii wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
To be fair he started the 2021 season as "best in the league" level again and then got injured when Solomon Hill dove into his ankle. Without that injury it's most likely LeBron keeps that level of play up and the Lakers are not a play-in team avoiding the Suns in 1st round.

I mean fine, but I was already factoring in how harder it gets to stay healthy when you get up there in age and miles like that. You could even argue the shortened season helped an older Lebron even in 2020.

Thats a flawed argument though and any who says that is clearly biased towards Jordan.

That has nothing to do with Jordan lol, like i’m not sure why you said that.

Colbinii · Post #12 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:35 am

No-more-rings wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:I mean fine, but I was already factoring in how harder it gets to stay healthy when you get up there in age and miles like that. You could even argue the shortened season helped an older Lebron even in 2020.

Thats a flawed argument though and any who says that is clearly biased towards Jordan.

That has nothing to do with Jordan lol, like i’m not sure why you said that.

You're not sure why an argument against LeBron and for Jordan in a thread of LeBron versus Jordan is relevant in a thread about LeBron vs Jordan?

No-more-rings · Post #13 » by **No-more-rings** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:02 am

Colbinii wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Thats a flawed argument though and any who says that is clearly biased towards Jordan.

That has nothing to do with Jordan lol, like i’m not sure why you said that.

You're not sure why an argument against LeBron and for Jordan in a thread of LeBron versus Jordan is relevant in a thread about LeBron vs Jordan?

Umm, the comment about Lebron’s post 2020 play was just a side note. It wasn’t meant to be a pro Jordan argument or whatever.

kcktiny · Post #14 » by **kcktiny** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:31 am

I seriously wonder how many who say Lebron James has passed Michael Jordan all-time actually watched Jordan over his entire career.

homecourtloss · Post #15 » by **homecourtloss** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:36 am

kcktiny wrote:I seriously wonder how many who say Lebron James has passed Michael Jordan all-time actually watched Jordan over his entire career.

I watched his entire career.

HeartBreakKid · Post #16 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:49 am

kcktiny wrote:I seriously wonder how many who say Lebron James has passed Michael Jordan all-time actually watched Jordan over his entire career.

Yeah man, Michael Jordan? Who ever saw that guy play. Only the most popular player of all time, no way people here could have seen that enigma.

AEnigma · Post #17 » by **AEnigma** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:30 am

Earliest would be after the 2016 Finals, and then after 2018 zero doubt remained and he was busier making his case against Kareem and Russell. Then the 2020 title was when I secured him ahead of Kareem and more abstractly Russell (although I still see the case for both).

prolific passer · Post #18 » by **prolific passer** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:31 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
kcktiny wrote:I seriously wonder how many who say Lebron James has passed Michael Jordan all-time actually watched Jordan over his entire career.

Yeah man, Michael Jordan? Who ever saw that guy play. Only the most popular player of all time, no way people here could have seen that enigma.

He was great in the WNBA as juwanna mann.

Colbinii · Post #19 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:40 am

kcktiny wrote:I seriously wonder how many who say Lebron James has passed Michael Jordan all-time actually watched Jordan over his entire career.

I seriously wonder how many who say Michael Jordan has passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar all-time actually watched Kareem over his entire career.

I seriously wonder how many who say Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has passed Bill Russell all-time actually watched Kareem over his entire career.

Post #20 » by **trex_8063** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:16 am

I had somewhere around a 1a/1b scenario by 2018; 2019 gave just enough of a nudge that I felt comfortable with a #1 ranking. Everything after has just be widening the gap (but then: meaningful longevity weighs heavy in my criteria).

That said.....

HeartBreakKid wrote:This is phrased in a way that is sure to invite flaming.

^^^This. A LOT of people still rank Jordan ahead.