Pistons-Hornets (7pm PLUS)

[Moses ShamMoses]

I'm going to say it, Killian is much better than Ivey right now. But Ivey is the rook so has the most room for improvement.

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He is but yeah hard to say what Ivey would look like in year 3 of his development

Yep Killian is recent proof that young guys develop at different paces and aren't finished products coming into the league. I'm still excited for Ivey, he just needs to keep putting in the work. We don't know what he'll be.

[bstein14]

I'm going to say it, Killian is much better than Ivey right now. But Ivey is the rook so has the most room for improvement.

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He is but yeah hard to say what Ivey would look like in year 3 of his development

It's interesting that in less than two months, both Killian and Ivey will be 21.

[MortSahlfan]

So does Casey get credit for guys like Hayes & Stewart developing? We bust on the guy for game management, but we continue to play hard and we consistently improve through out the season. For all his faults I'd rather Casey have his hand on Ivey & Duren's shoulder than most other realistic candidates. He's a good teacher, you just don't want him actually leading the troops into battle.

I think a big reason he's here is because he's a "team player". The last two seasons, he'd sit out 4 of his starters every other game. That's not his decision, but I'm sure management says, "Look, we're trying to evaluate... for a possible trade... to know how much to offer... to show him for another team he can still play" etc.. But I think Casey is here because he's a good person, and they want the players with a coach who will nurture them, not ever get too hard, respectful.

Despite all the losing, one team that doesn't have the drama I read about on Hoopshype is the Detroit Pistons. Ownership/management keep saying they want good PEOPLE, and I think it's good for culture.

[tradez401]

i watched a replay of the game and that was fun to watch pretty much everybody put in work our offense looked at its best so far this season i hope killian can up his ppg and try to get into that MIP convo.

[tradez401]

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at 21 yrs old hes growing but theres still some ppl on this board that want him traded.

[MortSahlfan]

It's December 15th, and everyone is tradable now, although I don't see trades today happening (just my way of hoping for some action around the league), but it's one time where I wouldn't mind if Weaver doesn't make a trade, BUT, I wouldn't mind trading AB today, even though I like him. He could help a LOT of teams right now. Lakers, etc.. If Weaver gets an unprotected 1st-rounder for Bey, it's going to be the about the same # Bey was picked at. I really wish he'd get the best defender available, and the rest will develop.

[Laimbeer]

Kevin Knox is playing pretty well, certainly better than expected.

[bstein14]

Kevin Knox is playing pretty well, certainly better than expected.

For sure feels like he is a better reclamation project than a few of the others we've tried. Also great for us that we have an option on him for $3 million next season, he is the exact type of guy you want as you're 10th or 11th man in the rotation and on the correct price as well.

He was horrible to start the season in October.... but....

November = 11 games played 66.1 TS% 16.2 MPG 6.7 PPG
December = 7 games played 74.9 TS% 15.0 MPG 7.6 PPG

Defensively he's also been better than Bojan, Bey, Ivey, or CoJo so he's certainly been earning his minutes on both ends.

[Manocad]

See Manocad, this is why you be patient on growth with Hayes

Yeah, it’s shocking that a player may not break out until his third year in the league.

And shocking that Stew and Duren can play together when they provide “No floor spacing.”

And shocking that Duren can provide so much when he’s so raw that not much should be expected from him until his third year.

Trifecta…complete

[Kalamazoo317]

Psyched we are getting the Duren/Stew starting front court I’d been wanting.

[bstein14]

See Manocad, this is why you be patient on growth with Hayes

Yeah, it’s shocking that a player may not break out until his third year in the league.

And shocking that Stew and Duren can play together when they provide “No floor spacing.”

And shocking that Duren can provide so much when he’s so raw that not much should be expected from him until his third year.

Trifecta…complete

You're just missing Bagley playing well for that Bingo card.

[DetroitSho]

See Manocad, this is why you be patient on growth with Hayes

Yeah, it’s shocking that a player may not break out until his third year in the league.

And shocking that Stew and Duren can play together when they provide “No floor spacing.”

And shocking that Duren can provide so much when he’s so raw that not much should be expected from him until his third year.

Trifecta…complete

Lol

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[zeebneeb]

Psyched we are getting the Duren/Stew starting front court I’d been wanting.

It's impressive as well. The paring of Stewart/Duren has a ton of versatility, much more then I expected that's for damn sure.

21 and 19 years old. If they both continue on their development, who knows what that tandem will look like in 3 years.

This is what Stewart practiced for all off-season, and the results so far have been far better then 99% of us hoped for.

[vege]

Kevin Knox is playing pretty well, certainly better than expected.

He is super inconsistent. He plays pretty well for a few games and then is a disaster for twice as many games.

[Kalamazoo317]

Psyched we are getting the Duren/Stew starting front court I’d been wanting.

It's impressive as well. The paring of Stewart/Duren has a ton of versatility, much more then I expected that's for damn sure.

21 and 19 years old. If they both continue on their development, who knows what that tandem will look like in 3 years.

This is what Stewart practiced for all off-season, and the results so far have been far better then 99% of us hoped for.

I think we all kinda laughed when they made the Robert Williams/Al Horford comp, but now that feels … attainable?

[bstein14]

Kevin Knox is playing pretty well, certainly better than expected.

He is super inconsistent. He plays pretty well for a few games and then is a disaster for twice as many games.

Did you see those stats I posted? He's been way more consistent than just about any of our other young (24 and under) players. He's got an insanely high TS% this month and a really good one last month too. He doesn't have the Bey, Killian or Ivey type 4-13 games we see from time to time because if he isn't hitting he looks to pass more... and he mostly takes what is within the offense.... takes what the defense gives him.

Since Nov 2nd he's only missed 5 shots in one game (1-6 night).

If you look just at his last 13 games
22 min 4-7 & 11 points
24 min 8-11 & 17 points
25 min 6-8 & 21 points
29 min 3-7 & 7 points (this is not an off night for your 9th/10th man.... sometimes the shots just don't get to them.
17 min 1-3 & 3 points
17 min 1-4 & 5 points
11 min 1-1 & 2 points
12 min 2-4 & 6 points
17 min 3-5 & 7 points
15 min 1-6 & 3 points (1-5 from deep, this is an off night for sure)
16 min 4-5 & 13 points
19 min 4-6 & 17 points
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He's been constantly fine. He's pretty much the 5th option out there now that Bagley also plays with the 2nd unit you've got Bey, Bagley, Burks getting the bulk of the 2nd unit shots and you have Knox essentially as a 2nd unit 5th option that has been making them when they get to him.
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38-67 for 112 points is great for the 9th or 10 guy in the rotation. He's also 22 of 46 from deep over that stretch, just one make away from being a .500 3 point shooter on that 13 game stretch. Plus he brings decent defense... not great, but he's been close to league average defensively which is better than we get from many of our players.

[zeebneeb]

Psyched we are getting the Duren/Stew starting front court I’d been wanting.

It's impressive as well. The paring of Stewart/Duren has a ton of versatility, much more then I expected that's for damn sure.

21 and 19 years old. If they both continue on their development, who knows what that tandem will look like in 3 years.

This is what Stewart practiced for all off-season, and the results so far have been far better then 99% of us hoped for.

I think we all kinda laughed when they made the Robert Williams/Al Horford comp, but now that feels … attainable?

If Stew keeps this up, he will be directly comparable to Horford, in terms of shooting the three.

On this volume, and % Horford has only done it once, this year! (.466% currently) What Stew is doing is special right now. Let's hope he continues.

[DetroitSho]

Psyched we are getting the Duren/Stew starting front court I’d been wanting.

It's impressive as well. The paring of Stewart/Duren has a ton of versatility, much more then I expected that's for damn sure.

21 and 19 years old. If they both continue on their development, who knows what that tandem will look like in 3 years.

This is what Stewart practiced for all off-season, and the results so far have been far better then 99% of us hoped for.

I think we all kinda laughed when they made the Robert Williams/Al Horford comp, but now that feels … attainable?

Not only attainable but damn near baseline. I'd throw another throwback combo out, David West/Tyson Chandler. Stew has more range on his jumper but I think West was pretty automatic from 18 feet.

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