Kessler the new Gobert?

mcmurphy · Post #1 » by **mcmurphy** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:35 am

The progression of Kessler's statistics and Gobert's second year are practically identical...
Has Utah put the new Gobert under contract for the next 3 seasons for a total of 10 millions?

Kessler (2022-23, 21 years old, 7-1, rookie)
games 1-13 14.9mpg, 5.6ppg, 5.4reb, 0.7ast, 1.6blk, 1.8pf, 0.68ts%,
games 14-27 18.6mpg, 6.9ppg, 6.7reb, 0.4ast, 2.1blk, 2.4pf, 0.75ts%

Gobert (2014-15, 22 years old, 7-1, sophomore)
games 1-13 16.1mpg, 5.4ppg, 4.7reb, 0.6ast, 1.4blk, 1.6pf, 0.67ts%
games 14-27 19.2mpg, 5.9ppg, 6.6reb, 0.9ast, 2.1blk, 2.0pf, 0.65ts%

Post #2 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:44 am

he's been super impressive for sure

MavfanAus · Post #3 » by **MavfanAus** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:51 am

Statistically similar based on those numbers above. However Kessler is alot quicker running the floor and has a softer touch around the basket. I think he has the potential to be alot better than Gobert. Whether he achieves that is the question.

Gusto1903 · Post #4 » by **Gusto1903** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:56 am

i have no idea, how the fn Wolves could pull this trade man.

mcmurphy · Post #5 » by **mcmurphy** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:15 am

MavfanAus wrote:Statistically similar based on those numbers above. However Kessler is alot quicker running the floor and has a softer touch around the basket. I think he has the potential to be alot better than Gobert. Whether he achieves that is the question.

yeah, good things happen when Kessler is on the court...

last 5 games against GSW, DEN, MIN, 2xNOP the progression continue

23.8mpg, 9.6ppg, 10.2reb, 2.8blk, 0.8to, 3.2pf

good defence, with low turnover and not so high fouls (for a rookie)

Mrakar · Post #6 » by **Mrakar** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:30 am

I dont know how he had only 8 boards last night. It looked like he grabed at least 20.
IMO he was most important player for the Jazz even though Clarkson and Markannen scored 70pts...

Long2_noD · Post #7 » by **Long2_noD** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:36 am

I would put him in All-Rookie 1st team as of now.

ArtMorte · Post #8 » by **ArtMorte** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:03 am

His game resembles Jarrett Allen more than Gobert to me. On a good path in either case.

mcmurphy · Post #9 » by **mcmurphy** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:03 am

Long2_noD wrote:I would put him in All-Rookie 1st team as of now.

apart from Banchero I wouldn't trade him for any other rookie

jasonxxx102 · Post #10 » by **jasonxxx102** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:39 pm

He looks pretty good. I don't think he looks like a long term starting caliber player because he's fairly limited. He's mostly just a drop big who's good in the post.

He's clearly not Gobert level defensively and doesn't have much of an offensive game outside of 3ft.

jasonxxx102 · Post #11 » by **jasonxxx102** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:41 pm

mcmurphy wrote:
Long2_noD wrote:I would put him in All-Rookie 1st team as of now.

apart from Banchero I wouldn't trade him for any other rookie

What?

Man this sure is a take. In a redraft he wouldn't even go top 10

sip · Post #12 » by **sip** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:01 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
mcmurphy wrote:
Long2_noD wrote:I would put him in All-Rookie 1st team as of now.

apart from Banchero I wouldn't trade him for any other rookie

What?

Man this sure is a take. In a redraft he wouldn't even go top 10

You haven't actually watched him play have you?

MalonesElbows · Post #13 » by **MalonesElbows** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:05 pm

A difference from Will Hardy compared to Quin Snyder is they don't run many pick and roll lobs. Seems like they are leaving points on the table there with Kessler and Vanderbuilt both being capable.

Post #14 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:08 pm

Let’s see how the year goes first

Jadoogar · Post #15 » by **Jadoogar** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:14 pm

Long2_noD wrote:I would put him in All-Rookie 1st team as of now.

What's the first team looking like right now? there's only 2 locks for me but i haven't kept up with the rookies this year.

Jadoogar · Post #16 » by **Jadoogar** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:15 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
mcmurphy wrote:
Long2_noD wrote:I would put him in All-Rookie 1st team as of now.

apart from Banchero I wouldn't trade him for any other rookie

What?

Man this sure is a take. In a redraft he wouldn't even go top 10

Well johnny davis went #10 so there is absolutely atleast 1 spot open.

jasonxxx102 · Post #17 » by **jasonxxx102** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:17 pm

sip wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
mcmurphy wrote:
apart from Banchero I wouldn't trade him for any other rookie

What?

Man this sure is a take. In a redraft he wouldn't even go top 10

You haven't actually watched him play have you?

It's hilarious how this is the standard response to basically everything now. So lazy and basically just outs you as having nothing informative to contribute

I have watched enough to see what he is (a drop big who's a solid rim protector and post player). Probably the least important player archetype in modern basketball.

Players not named Paolo that OP would apparently take Kessler over:

Chet (lmfao)
Jabari
Keegan
Mathurin
Ivey
Dyson Daniels
Jalen Williams
Tari Eason
AJ Griffin
Jalen Duren

I'd wager that most GMs are also taking Sharpe, Dieng, and Sochan over him too without a second thought

Please make a case that he's better than any of these guys. Can't wait.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #18 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:31 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
sip wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
What?

Man this sure is a take. In a redraft he wouldn't even go top 10

You haven't actually watched him play have you?

It's hilarious how this is the standard response to basically everything now. So lazy and basically just outs you as having nothing informative to contribute

I have watched enough to see what he is (a drop big who's a solid rim protector and post player). Probably the least important player archetype in modern basketball.

Players not named Paolo that OP would apparently take Kessler over:

Chet (lmfao)
Jabari
Keegan
Mathurin
Ivey
Dyson Daniels
Jalen Williams
Tari Eason
AJ Griffin
Jalen Duren

I'd wager that most GMs are also taking Sharpe, Dieng, and Sochan over him too without a second thought

Please make a case that he's better than any of these guys. Can't wait.

better FG%, better TS%, higher PER, more blocks, more rebounds, better defensive rating, better defensive box +/-, better ws/48. and i could go on, but the case has been made.

TheNG · Post #19 » by **TheNG** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:38 pm

Kessler is not the new Gobert.
Gobert is the old Kessler.

Colbinii · Post #20 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:53 pm

Kessler is extremely limited offensively [even compared to Gobert]. His role reminds me of young Robert Williams where he played limited minutes in an extremely limited and nurtured role being asked to do 1 or 2 things and put up excellent rate statistics.

Time will tell what Kessler becomes but he has the tools to become a Poeltl level center in the league.