Pistons-Magic (7pm)

[Drwho17]

It feels like Bojan has had a lot of these inefficient 5-15, 6-17, 4-13 type games as of late.... perhaps its not as bad as it feels and perhaps part of it is the increased defensive focus on him but he hasn't been as good his last 15 games with Detroit as he was his first 15 games with Detroit.

We desperately needed improved 3pt shooting, but he'd be better off on a playoff team where he can go back to being the 2nd/3rd option. He's not really good enough to be #1 and his complete lack of defense negates any value here.

Maybe it wasn't the plan b4 Cade went down, but I hope we move Bojan by the deadline.

What's the rush to move him? Are you afraid of him losing value by waiting? I think the Pistons are going to want him to help next year, when things should be aligned for them to make a playoff run.

[Cowology]

It feels like Bojan has had a lot of these inefficient 5-15, 6-17, 4-13 type games as of late.... perhaps its not as bad as it feels and perhaps part of it is the increased defensive focus on him but he hasn't been as good his last 15 games with Detroit as he was his first 15 games with Detroit.

We desperately needed improved 3pt shooting, but he'd be better off on a playoff team where he can go back to being the 2nd/3rd option. He's not really good enough to be #1 and his complete lack of defense negates any value here.

Maybe it wasn't the plan b4 Cade went down, but I hope we move Bojan by the deadline.

What's the rush to move him? Are you afraid of him losing value by waiting? I think the Pistons are going to want him to help next year, when things should be aligned for them to make a playoff run.

I'm not a fan of his complete lack of defense and I'd rather try and get some sorta value for him. I'm sure he can help somebody and I think he'd rather be competing for rings.

I think we were hoping to be more competitive this season. Maybe not a playoff team, but at least competing for a play-in spot. In that context having a shooter next to Cade made a lotta sense. But the East is hyper-competetitive and unusually deep this year. With Cade's injury and a few other bad breaks we've completely dropped any & all pretense of attempted competitiveness. It may be early, but enough has happened that we've changed trajectory from where we may have been headed just a few short months ago. Maybe not ideal, but is what it is.

We're still not a good 3pt shooting team, but I think we can feel a little better about moving on from Bojan thanks to Stewarts improved shooting. He's clearly not the same caliber of shooter/scorer, but it's not like a year ago when Hayes/Diallo/Stewart was a suicide lineup due to lack of shooting. And we've added and will continue to add other pieces that better align with our long-term goals.

I'm not trying to scapegoat Bojan for the teams terrible defense, but it's easier to take from a young guy on a rookie deal. In terms of W/L and how it actually impacts our season, I doubt it makes any significant difference one way or the other. We're gonna lose with or without him, but if that's the case then like... what good is he really doing us and why not trade him?

[bstein14]

We desperately needed improved 3pt shooting, but he'd be better off on a playoff team where he can go back to being the 2nd/3rd option. He's not really good enough to be #1 and his complete lack of defense negates any value here.

Maybe it wasn't the plan b4 Cade went down, but I hope we move Bojan by the deadline.

What's the rush to move him? Are you afraid of him losing value by waiting? I think the Pistons are going to want him to help next year, when things should be aligned for them to make a playoff run.

I'm not a fan of his complete lack of defense and I'd rather try and get some sorta value for him. I'm sure he can help somebody and I think he'd rather be competing for rings.

I think we were hoping to be more competitive this season. Maybe not a playoff team, but at least competing for a play-in spot. In that context having a shooter next to Cade made a lotta sense. But the East is hyper-competetitive and unusually deep this year. With Cade's injury and a few other bad breaks we've completely dropped any & all pretense of attempted competitiveness. It may be early, but enough has happened that we've changed trajectory from where we may have been headed just a few short months ago. Maybe not ideal, but is what it is.

We're still not a good 3pt shooting team, but I think we can feel a little better about moving on from Bojan thanks to Stewarts improved shooting. He's clearly not the same caliber of shooter/scorer, but it's not like a year ago when Hayes/Diallo/Stewart was a suicide lineup due to lack of shooting. And we've added and will continue to add other pieces that better align with our long-term goals.

I'm not trying to scapegoat Bojan for the teams terrible defense, but it's easier to take from a young guy on a rookie deal. In terms of W/L and how it actually impacts our season, I doubt it makes any significant difference one way or the other. We're gonna lose with or without him, but if that's the case then like... what good is he really doing us and why not trade him?

This is where I'm at. We could also trade Bojan and get that asset and then go out and give $112 million to Jerami Grant to replace Bojan in the starting lineup.... Grant provides much better defense and is also a good shooter and a solid #2 guy.... he just wasn't cut out to be #1.

[Cowology]

Big picture what I actually want is to see minutes go to guys who are competing defensively.

I've long defended Casey as a good development coach and sorta accepted some of his game management issues because winning wasn't actually a priority. However, the complete lack of defensive improvement both in terms of individual and team development concerns me. At some point these bad habbits will start to matter but by then they'll be much harder to correct. We need to start fixing the defense now, regardless of whether it results in overall improved play or more W/L. The development piece matters.

A lot of that is on Weaver for the collection of talent he's assembled, but we've also given minutes to guys who haven't earned them. Having a vet like Bojan on the roster is especially tricky because you aren't going to bench him for his lack of D. So now we're sorta re-enforcing with our behavior the idea that defense doesn't matter. I probably way overthink this stuff, but from a culture standpoint I don't like where some of this stuff is headed.

I've been on the "trade Diallo" bandwagon, but I'll tell ya, at this point I'd run 5 Diallo's out there because those dudes will compete. I'm just sorta over our complete lack of defense. The casualness with which we routinely give up 120-130 pts is disgusting. We aren't winning games either way - it's time to start teaching some tough lessons. *shrug* Moving Bojan makes it easier to do that.

[Manocad]

I'll throw my two cents in on the Killian punch...

Anyone who believes THAT punch actually knocked Wagner unconscious is clueless. We've all seen professional boxing knockouts--a very calculated punch by a very strong and trained puncher to the right spot. And we've all seen the Rudy T incident (I'm assuming)--a very calculated punch to the right spot on an unsuspecting recipient. Hayes' punch nowhere near qualified for either of those. I have personally been sucker punched right in the jaw, totally unsuspecting and blindsided, and was stunned but nowhere near knocked out. I got hit in the nose with a blackjack--not unsuspecting but dumb enough to stay in the fight--suffered a broken nose and wasn't knocked out. It took getting hit in the head with a piece of pipe, splitting my head open, requiring 12 stitches and resulting in a concussion that kept me in the hospital for three days to actually knock me out. Point being, I've been in plenty of scrapes and THAT punch wasn't jack s**t relatively speaking. That was absolutely an acting job on Wagner's part. Which is fine; the NBA has become a flopping league and it is what it is. But the idea the Killian's punch could have caused serious harm and should be punished as such is ridiculous. We've seen WAAAAAAAY worse in the history of the NBA without serious harm, the Rudy T incident excluded. And as explained, that was TOTALLY different.

[mattyj]

3 games for Killian
1 for Diallo

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[Cowology]

3 games for Killian
1 for Diallo

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About what I would have expected. *shrug*

Anything for the players leaving the Magic bench?? Is that not a thing anymore?

[The Moose]

3 games for Killian
1 for Diallo

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About what I would have expected. *shrug*

Anything for the players leaving the Magic bench?? Is that not a thing anymore?

8 players from the magic got 1 game suspensions for leaving the bench

[Cowology]

3 games for Killian
1 for Diallo

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About what I would have expected. *shrug*

Anything for the players leaving the Magic bench?? Is that not a thing anymore?

8 players from the magic got 1 game suspensions for leaving the bench

Oh wow. OK then.

[mattyj]

And 2 for Wagner

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[ComboGuardCity]

This makes all those ROS and could’ve been potential felonious manslaughter charges I’ve seen all over social media look foolish.

[GreekAlex]

I'll throw my two cents in on the Killian punch...

Anyone who believes THAT punch actually knocked Wagner unconscious is clueless. We've all seen professional boxing knockouts--a very calculated punch by a very strong and trained puncher to the right spot. And we've all seen the Rudy T incident (I'm assuming)--a very calculated punch to the right spot on an unsuspecting recipient. Hayes' punch nowhere near qualified for either of those. I have personally been sucker punched right in the jaw, totally unsuspecting and blindsided, and was stunned but nowhere near knocked out. I got hit in the nose with a blackjack--not unsuspecting but dumb enough to stay in the fight--suffered a broken nose and wasn't knocked out. It took getting hit in the head with a piece of pipe, splitting my head open, requiring 12 stitches and resulting in a concussion that kept me in the hospital for three days to actually knock me out. Point being, I've been in plenty of scrapes and THAT punch wasn't jack s**t relatively speaking. That was absolutely an acting job on Wagner's part. Which is fine; the NBA has become a flopping league and it is what it is. But the idea the Killian's punch could have caused serious harm and should be punished as such is ridiculous. We've seen WAAAAAAAY worse in the history of the NBA without serious harm, the Rudy T incident excluded. And as explained, that was TOTALLY different.

That’s a great piece of information! So it’s not just message boards where your abrasive personality leads to violence but in real life too

I’m just kidding, you don’t really bother me outside of your love affair with Luka Garza.

[bstein14]

i actually said I thought Killian would get 4-6 games.... I thought 5 was most likely. I think it helped that he didn't Wagner is apparently just fine, also that the NBA must have thought that Wagner didn't get knocked out cold, and also that Killian hit with more of a forearm than a closed fist to the neck.

3 is actually pretty fair for Detroit considering everything that went down.

[Canadafan]

Big picture what I actually want is to see minutes go to guys who are competing defensively.

I've long defended Casey as a good development coach and sorta accepted some of his game management issues because winning wasn't actually a priority. However, the complete lack of defensive improvement both in terms of individual and team development concerns me. At some point these bad habbits will start to matter but by then they'll be much harder to correct. We need to start fixing the defense now, regardless of whether it results in overall improved play or more W/L. The development piece matters.

A lot of that is on Weaver for the collection of talent he's assembled, but we've also given minutes to guys who haven't earned them. Having a vet like Bojan on the roster is especially tricky because you aren't going to bench him for his lack of D. So now we're sorta re-enforcing with our behavior the idea that defense doesn't matter. I probably way overthink this stuff, but from a culture standpoint I don't like where some of this stuff is headed.

I've been on the "trade Diallo" bandwagon, but I'll tell ya, at this point I'd run 5 Diallo's out there because those dudes will compete. I'm just sorta over our complete lack of defense. The casualness with which we routinely give up 120-130 pts is disgusting. We aren't winning games either way - it's time to start teaching some tough lessons. *shrug* Moving Bojan makes it easier to do that.

Yes freakin please! I've been dying to get some dogs In here that will compete and rip your eyes out to win.

[breezypeezy]

Eh the little mini fracas completely did not bother me.
Im glad the team bounced back and was ready to fight after the disgraceful quitting we were subjected to in the previous contest.
Nice turnaround.

[Manocad]

I'll throw my two cents in on the Killian punch...

Anyone who believes THAT punch actually knocked Wagner unconscious is clueless. We've all seen professional boxing knockouts--a very calculated punch by a very strong and trained puncher to the right spot. And we've all seen the Rudy T incident (I'm assuming)--a very calculated punch to the right spot on an unsuspecting recipient. Hayes' punch nowhere near qualified for either of those. I have personally been sucker punched right in the jaw, totally unsuspecting and blindsided, and was stunned but nowhere near knocked out. I got hit in the nose with a blackjack--not unsuspecting but dumb enough to stay in the fight--suffered a broken nose and wasn't knocked out. It took getting hit in the head with a piece of pipe, splitting my head open, requiring 12 stitches and resulting in a concussion that kept me in the hospital for three days to actually knock me out. Point being, I've been in plenty of scrapes and THAT punch wasn't jack s**t relatively speaking. That was absolutely an acting job on Wagner's part. Which is fine; the NBA has become a flopping league and it is what it is. But the idea the Killian's punch could have caused serious harm and should be punished as such is ridiculous. We've seen WAAAAAAAY worse in the history of the NBA without serious harm, the Rudy T incident excluded. And as explained, that was TOTALLY different.

That’s a great piece of information! So it’s not just message boards where your abrasive personality leads to violence but in real life too

I’m just kidding, you don’t really bother me outside of your love affair with Luka Garza.

I had no love affair with Garza. I simply said--about 100 times--that he was never used in a way that best utilized his strengths. He was a great back to the basket post up center and was never used that way. I liked the pick at 52, it didn't work out, and after he was gone I never mentioned another word about him.

You want to see a love affair, see our resident Diallo lover.

[GreekAlex]

I'll throw my two cents in on the Killian punch...

Anyone who believes THAT punch actually knocked Wagner unconscious is clueless. We've all seen professional boxing knockouts--a very calculated punch by a very strong and trained puncher to the right spot. And we've all seen the Rudy T incident (I'm assuming)--a very calculated punch to the right spot on an unsuspecting recipient. Hayes' punch nowhere near qualified for either of those. I have personally been sucker punched right in the jaw, totally unsuspecting and blindsided, and was stunned but nowhere near knocked out. I got hit in the nose with a blackjack--not unsuspecting but dumb enough to stay in the fight--suffered a broken nose and wasn't knocked out. It took getting hit in the head with a piece of pipe, splitting my head open, requiring 12 stitches and resulting in a concussion that kept me in the hospital for three days to actually knock me out. Point being, I've been in plenty of scrapes and THAT punch wasn't jack s**t relatively speaking. That was absolutely an acting job on Wagner's part. Which is fine; the NBA has become a flopping league and it is what it is. But the idea the Killian's punch could have caused serious harm and should be punished as such is ridiculous. We've seen WAAAAAAAY worse in the history of the NBA without serious harm, the Rudy T incident excluded. And as explained, that was TOTALLY different.

That’s a great piece of information! So it’s not just message boards where your abrasive personality leads to violence but in real life too

I’m just kidding, you don’t really bother me outside of your love affair with Luka Garza.

I had no love affair with Garza. I simply said--about 100 times--that he was never used in a way that best utilized his strengths. He was a great back to the basket post up center and was never used that way. I liked the pick at 52, it didn't work out, and after he was gone I never mentioned another word about him.

You want to see a love affair, see our resident Diallo lover.

I’m just kidding amigo. You don’t bother me. I thought you knew I was hamming up the Garza bit.

I just see how you mix it up with a lot of the regular posters here and I found a little irony with all the physical alterations you described lol

[Manocad]

That’s a great piece of information! So it’s not just message boards where your abrasive personality leads to violence but in real life too

I’m just kidding, you don’t really bother me outside of your love affair with Luka Garza.

I had no love affair with Garza. I simply said--about 100 times--that he was never used in a way that best utilized his strengths. He was a great back to the basket post up center and was never used that way. I liked the pick at 52, it didn't work out, and after he was gone I never mentioned another word about him.

You want to see a love affair, see our resident Diallo lover.

I’m just kidding amigo. You don’t bother me. I thought you knew I was hamming up the Garza bit.

I just see how you mix it up with a lot of the regular posters here and I found a little irony with all the physical alterations you described lol

It’s actually not ironic at all; I don’t have a history of shying away from a good argument. Or fight. But some people here have a severe allergic reaction to any use of sarcasm and label it instigation when it’s simply sarcasm for comedic purposes. No biggie.

[Kalamazoo317]

Suspensions all seem fair. I like having vets like Bogie around who are good enough to teach the young guys winning habits, even if his defense is lacking,