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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1061 » by leswizards » Mon Jan 2, 2023 8:42 pm

doclinkin wrote:Depends who 'you' is.

Show me the elite free agents who have signed with the Wizards. Show me the all-stars we have had play for us that were not drafted by us. Show me the assets we currently have to trade for elite players.

For this team we are closer to bottoming out to land a generational prospect than we are to building a team dynasty and becoming a destination franchise for those elite free agents. We just had to pay a quarter billion dollars to one of our own free agents to convince him to stay with us.


I could easily turn that around and say show me when the Wizards have ever actually tanked their way to anything close to a championship. Lords knows they have had enough high lottery picks to successfully achieve it.

Regardless, the Wizards have had bad gms, coaching and ownership for at least 30 years prior to Tommy taking over. So, both our questions are kind of pointless.

Is Tommy the answer? I don’t know, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Wes jr (imho) is a horrible coach, so I do hold that against him. But in a few years, he has gotten the Wizards enough talent that I think the Wizards are solid at pg, sg, and c for 144 minutes a game with Monte, Delon, Beal, Goodwin, Gafford, and KP. Additionally, they are solid for 24 mpg at back up sf and pf with kispert, and KP now that Wes jr is finally willing to put Gafford and KP on the court at the same time. That leaves 72 mpg at starting sf and pf, where the wizards need to improve. They have Davis, Barton, gill, kispert, Deni, Rui, taj, and Kyle to fight for those minutes and as assets to maybe improve the production for those 72 minutes. It seems to me the Wizards aren’t that far from being good. They just have 2 main problems. Wes jr plays Kyle too much, and he may be hurting the production of will and the young players, as he did with the players who were here last year, that had down seasons before rebounding to career norms. Regarding that last comment, consequently, I don’t think we know who is an asset and who isn’t among the under achieving group mentioned above
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1062 » by popper » Mon Jan 2, 2023 8:52 pm

Does anyone here use DARKO analysis to evaluate our players/team. I'm not a metrics guy but I found it quite interesting. Confirmed to me a huge overpay on Beal and an under-compensated KP. I don't think we'll be able to resign him when opts out. That'll be disappointing to say the least.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1063 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 12:55 am

popper wrote:Does anyone here use DARKO analysis to evaluate our players/team. I'm not a metrics guy but I found it quite interesting. Confirmed to me a huge overpay on Beal and an under-compensated KP. I don't think we'll be able to resign him when opts out. That'll be disappointing to say the least.

Yeah we will.

Porzingis is going to command such a high salary, that there will be very few teams far enough under the cap to pay him. Let's assume the Wizards will happily pay him his player option price of $36M. What under the cap teams will have more than that available in cap room? Houston, San Antonio, Indy, Charlotte, OKC, Los Angeles and Detroit. Houston and San Antonio aren't interested in a 28-year-old making that kind of money. If Indy spends money on a center, they'll just keep Turner. Los Angeles isn't going to spend their entire wad on another big man when they have literally no guards at all. OKC has Chet Holmgren. Detroit has Isaiah Stewart and Jalen Duren. Charlotte is a worse situation that us.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1064 » by Dark Faze » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:26 pm

If this team gets completely washed in the play in with a healthy roster, I think that could change the calculus of things a bit. And we're still not certain if Porzingis opts out.

If I'm Kristaps, I think I would opt in. I bet on myself to maintain this level of health and play for just *one* more season and collect an additional 36 million, knowing that if I'm able to do so, both years and salary on my next deal are likely to go up due to working to get rid of the injury prone label.

And even if he gets hurt, I think injured KP would still get something like 2 years, 50 million on his next deal, so long as it wasn't a major injury.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1065 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 5, 2023 9:40 pm

nate33 wrote:
popper wrote:Does anyone here use DARKO analysis to evaluate our players/team. I'm not a metrics guy but I found it quite interesting. Confirmed to me a huge overpay on Beal and an under-compensated KP. I don't think we'll be able to resign him when opts out. That'll be disappointing to say the least.

Yeah we will.

Porzingis is going to command such a high salary, that there will be very few teams far enough under the cap to pay him. Let's assume the Wizards will happily pay him his player option price of $36M. What under the cap teams will have more than that available in cap room? Houston, San Antonio, Indy, Charlotte, OKC, Los Angeles and Detroit. Houston and San Antonio aren't interested in a 28-year-old making that kind of money. If Indy spends money on a center, they'll just keep Turner. Los Angeles isn't going to spend their entire wad on another big man when they have literally no guards at all. OKC has Chet Holmgren. Detroit has Isaiah Stewart and Jalen Duren. Charlotte is a worse situation that us.


What if the Thunder end up with both Victor Wembanyana and Chet Holmgren (and Jalen Williams and Josh Giddy w SGA)?

VW is likely going to end up with either Chet or Jalen Duren or Jabari Parker.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1066 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jan 5, 2023 9:41 pm

Meanwhile, who the Wizards drafting 10-12?
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1067 » by doclinkin » Thu Jan 5, 2023 9:52 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
What if the Thunder end up with both Victor Wembanyana and Chet Holmgren


And Pokusevski


Not fair if they are hoarding all the Unicorns in their Unicorn sanctuary.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1068 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 10:00 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Meanwhile, who the Wizards drafting 10-12?

Cason Wallace

Or a Tommy special

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1069 » by Dat2U » Thu Jan 5, 2023 11:22 pm

doclinkin wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
What if the Thunder end up with both Victor Wembanyana and Chet Holmgren


And Pokusevski
.....

Not fair if they are hoarding all the Unicorns in their Unicorn sanctuary.


That would be too scary. Injuries is the only legitimate thing that could take OKC down at that point.

No more tanking. This group makes the playoffs immediately.

F Chet Holmgren, Alexsej Pokusevski
F Lu Dort, Ousmane Dieng
C Victor Wembamyama
G Josh Giddey, Jalen Williams
G Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Isaiah Joe, Tre Mann
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1070 » by Dat2U » Thu Jan 5, 2023 11:42 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Meanwhile, who the Wizards drafting 10-12?


Cason Wallace

Or a Tommy special

Keegan Murray’s brother


So far in that 10-12 range I like Anthony Black and Gradey Dick. You just gotta love Dick's ability to stroke it from deep. I wouldn't mind getting both in the draft and seeing if we could get Kevin Love to mentor the Black Dick duo. Just think of the numerous lineup combos we could throw out.
















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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1071 » by doclinkin » Fri Jan 6, 2023 3:43 am

Dat2U wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Meanwhile, who the Wizards drafting 10-12?


Cason Wallace

Or a Tommy special

Keegan Murray’s brother


So far in that 10-12 range I like Anthony Black and Gradey Dick. You just gotta love Dick's ability to stroke it from deep. I wouldn't mind getting both in the draft and seeing if we could get Kevin Love to mentor the Black Dick duo. Just think of the numerous lineup combos we could throw out.




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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1072 » by AFM » Fri Jan 6, 2023 4:38 am

What's wrong with this fella.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#1073 » by Menace2Sobriety » Fri Jan 6, 2023 12:54 pm

nate33 wrote:
popper wrote:Does anyone here use DARKO analysis to evaluate our players/team. I'm not a metrics guy but I found it quite interesting. Confirmed to me a huge overpay on Beal and an under-compensated KP. I don't think we'll be able to resign him when opts out. That'll be disappointing to say the least.

Yeah we will.

Porzingis is going to command such a high salary, that there will be very few teams far enough under the cap to pay him. Let's assume the Wizards will happily pay him his player option price of $36M. What under the cap teams will have more than that available in cap room? Houston, San Antonio, Indy, Charlotte, OKC, Los Angeles and Detroit. Houston and San Antonio aren't interested in a 28-year-old making that kind of money. If Indy spends money on a center, they'll just keep Turner. Los Angeles isn't going to spend their entire wad on another big man when they have literally no guards at all. OKC has Chet Holmgren. Detroit has Isaiah Stewart and Jalen Duren. Charlotte is a worse situation that us.


I am desperate :D for Detroit to sign KP. Stewart sets the culture of the team and is improving his overall game, including adding the 3. He’s playing PF for the first time in his career and is absolutely part of the long term plans, but KP is a unicorn and would fit so nicely into the lineup. KP and Duren should play well together (as he and Gafford have these past few games apparently).

Detroit will only also have Stewart / Duren / Bagley on the roster for next season. KP could fit well next to any of them + the addition of a couple highly creative PGs. (I’m much more positive on Killian Hayes than most).

I would hope Detroit does not rule out KP if Weaver decides next year is the year to start competing.

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