Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Mikistan]

It's a bit unfortunate that we can't increase his usage increase to match what some of his softmore peers get. Barnes' combination of inside scoring ability and elite vision will probably allow him to fast track much better than his peers because he simply plays the right way.

Nah. Long term not giving him things easy is way better for his development

Ya let's keep playing iso ball and losing, way better for his development

[YogurtProducer]

It's a bit unfortunate that we can't increase his usage increase to match what some of his softmore peers get. Barnes' combination of inside scoring ability and elite vision will probably allow him to fast track much better than his peers because he simply plays the right way.

Nah. Long term not giving him things easy is way better for his development

Ya let's keep playing iso ball and losing, way better for his development

Opposed to what?

Cunningham gets usage and loses.
Green gets usage and loses.
Wagner gets usage and loses.
Mobley is even lower on the pecking order in Cleveland.

[Mikistan]

Nah. Long term not giving him things easy is way better for his development

Ya let's keep playing iso ball and losing, way better for his development

Opposed to what?

Cunningham gets usage and loses.
Green gets usage and loses.
Wagner gets usage and loses.
Mobley is even lower on the pecking order in Cleveland.

Scottie is just better

[YogurtProducer]

Ya let's keep playing iso ball and losing, way better for his development

Opposed to what?

Cunningham gets usage and loses.
Green gets usage and loses.
Wagner gets usage and loses.
Mobley is even lower on the pecking order in Cleveland.

Scottie is just better

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

[Tha Cynic]

Some of us have a very close minded, black and white way of looking at things. When you have a player who is clearly not built the same as most conventional players, maybe a different approach can be used.

Watch all the softmores and tell me you can't see the difference between a guy who is clearly trying to make his team better vs a guy who's still learning how to play basic basketball and using the season as a practice drill. Like I said, Barnes' basketball mind is far ahead of his peers. He also has this uncanny ability to learn and adapt mid-season.

We know Siakam and FVV ball isn't helping anyone else on the team other than themselves. Let's try to put something together that actually helps Raptors ball. There's no easier way to see this than how discombobulated the bench gets with one style of play vs another. There's a clear and obvious reason for this.

Oh btw, this team isn't winning a championship this year, so what exactly are we looking to accomplish by playing the exact same way as last season when you have a player who is clearly a key to your offense? Where are the tweaks and adjustments?

[Mikistan]

Opposed to what?

Cunningham gets usage and loses.
Green gets usage and loses.
Wagner gets usage and loses.
Mobley is even lower on the pecking order in Cleveland.

Scottie is just better

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

[Los_29]

Opposed to what?

Cunningham gets usage and loses.
Green gets usage and loses.
Wagner gets usage and loses.
Mobley is even lower on the pecking order in Cleveland.

Scottie is just better

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Yep. With the exception of Mobley, all of those guys were significantly better offensive players than Scottie coming into the league. And they still are.

I think we are very fortunate to be seeing Scottie develop in this environment. We wouldn't be so excited about him if he was playing on Detroit or Houston putting up a TS% in the high 40's. Houston has also been criticized for how they have developed Jalen Green and they are being criticized for the same things that some people on this forum want our team to do with Scottie. LOL.

[tdotrep2]

Scottie is just better

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

scottie wouldn't look horrible anywhere, thats the beauty. He's too smart.

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie is just better

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

So what is the point of what you are saying? Just arguing for the sake of it?

[YogurtProducer]

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

scottie wouldn't look horrible anywhere, thats the beauty. He's too smart.

He certainly would if he was asked to be a #1 option with trash around him. It would not be pretty, his efficiency is already below average as a 5th option

[Tha Cynic]

You would almost think players and teams don't get better as they grow with their young stars.

Let's look at the failure during development years instead of looking at those teams that actually got better because they let their young players worth through mistakes. Don't tell this to the Bucks or the Grizzlies or even a team like the Thunder or Magic who are all either there now or up and coming and will be better than the Raptors very soon.

Again, this comes back to too many posters thinking way too highly of a team that isn't very good. But, they also don't want their young players to get a better opportunity to fastrack for half a seaosn in a lost season either. You would think those posters didn't see teams that are good today let their young players struggle early to find their way.

What a thing to be able to pull up stats that show that a bad young team that is developing is bad. Whoa!

[alienchild]

It's a bit unfortunate that we can't increase his usage increase to match what some of his softmore peers get. Barnes' combination of inside scoring ability and elite vision will probably allow him to fast track much better than his peers because he simply plays the right way.

Nah. Long term not giving him things easy is way better for his development

Ya let's keep playing iso ball and losing, way better for his development

Scottie isn't going to like waiting for things to be given to him. He's going to take what he wants, even if he isn't sure about how to handle it. He looks at it as an opportunity to learn how to handle it. He's absorbing it into his bbiq.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Scottie has the ball as much as anyone from the sophomore class, but obviously if Cade were playing he'd have the ball way more, too. My guess is that Houston and Orlando run PnRs for Green and Wagner because they can both shoot. Scottie's an unconventional player, but his skillset is pretty clear in what he can and can't do at this point.

Right now the horrible Raptors offense is 10th.

[Los_29]

Scottie is just better

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

Scottie has never come close to having that kind of usage. Cade and Green are in the high 20s. Scottie is at 20%.

[Spates]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

[AbC?]

What a miracle it is that Barnes is looking so good with basketball war criminals like Nurse, Siakam and FVV actively trying to keep him down!

He’d be averaging 24/8/8 on 60% TS as the main option

[Tha Cynic]

Something tells me the Raptors aren't the 10th best offensive team in the NBA, but maybe that's just me. I guess I could read generic stats hard enough and force myself to think this way

Jalen Green doesn't know how to play basketball. Lol

Cunningham isn't as good an offensive weapon as Barnes is right now and Barnes has clearly shown a better ability to make his teammates better.

Wagner is the one player who is a better overall scorer, but I'll take Barnes' combination of being able to score inside and get open looks to others on his team over a shooter.

Do we want to develop this year or pound our heads into a wall and come back next year and continue to run Bosh/Mike James err.. Siakam/FVV ball?

[Mikistan]

Scottie would look horrible with that level of usage and thos teammates

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

So what is the point of what you are saying? Just arguing for the sake of it?

Your original claim was that his development is better slow. You said it like it was a proven fact that everyone should know. I used that same energy in the opposite direction that's all.

Scottie's just better

[ATLTimekeeper]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

[tdotrep2]

Luckily he isn't on those teams and looks great with that usage on our team.

scottie wouldn't look horrible anywhere, thats the beauty. He's too smart.

He certainly would if he was asked to be a #1 option with trash around him. It would not be pretty, his efficiency is already below average as a 5th option

if he was asked to be the number one option he'd try to play like lebron, what do you visualize? It should be obvious. He can play in any situation thrown at him.