ATLTimekeeper wrote:HiJiNX wrote:lobosloboslobos wrote:I am fully aboard the Scottie train and want to see him running the offense more and more, but there's something to be said for not just handing him the reins from the get go. he clearly did not have the offensive drive to dominate when he came into the league, but by making him want more, making him crave that role by not giving it to him, and making him earn it by going out there and showing what he can do, well I support that approach. He is growing into his offense and his leadership and that is fine. having said that at this point he has paid a fair amount of dues and is figuring it out, and understanding what is needed of him, and he is clearly ready for a much bigger load in the second half of this season.
This is all people are saying. Barnes wasn’t ready before and his development probably would have been negatively impacted by giving him the keys at that time. However, Barnes is proving that he’s definitely ready for an increased role and can handle lead reps. In fact, I think the team is starting to move in this direction. Go look at whose hands the ball was in to start the 3rd Q against Portland yesterday—it was Barnes. That was very eye opening for me considering Fred was having a good game to that point and Siakam is Siakam. Yet it was Barnes who was the initiator to start the 3rd.
I just hope Fred and Siakam are ready to relinquish some possessions as Scottie continues to prove that our team is better off with him getting reps as the hub.
What does Scottie getting lead reps look like to you? I don't think he can consistently beat guys off the dribble, and that's even with him getting some of the worst defenders hidden on him. I don't think he's a significant post-up threat, and I don't think that an NBA team can effectively build an offense around a 6"8 post-up game. Entry passes eventually get jumped. Passing along the perimeter eventually leads to stagnation. He doesn't run pick and roll very much, and I think teams would just always go under. They need to be able to utilize him in ways that actually makes sense for him and everyone else. I just don't see what it looks like right now. There isn't a single offensive hub that drives as little as he does that isn't a big post-up C. imo it'll be so obvious when he gets the ball more because he'll be consistently shifting the defense with the ball in his hands. We're just a couple of weeks from Mason Plumlee standing 8 feet off him, and it's confusing to me (aside from wish fulfilment/tanking beliefs/Fred disgust) that fans think he's ready to take lead reps/
What does Barnes getting lead reps look like to me? It means putting the ball in his hands more in more situations as a decision maker. From the perimeter, in pnr, at the foul line, in DHOs, in the deep post, in the mid post, etc. Is he going to succeed every time? Of course not. Will he get flummoxed by exotic looks from defences? Of course he will. The point is to give him a chance to fail and learn from his mistakes so he can work toward reaching his immense ceiling. We have seen flashes literally since his first summer league and preseason that he can make plays from all of these areas. We’ve also seen him make mistakes in all of these areas. The difference now is those mistakes are far fewer and you can trust him to have the ball and see what he can do without it being disastrous.
There are far fewer possessions where Barnes has the ball, surveying and dribbling in one spot without knowing what to do with it. More often than not, if he has nothing these days he’s not jacking up a long jumper or dribbling into no man’s land and a turnover—instead he’s making a skip pass or passing out to the perimeter to relocate, establish post position or set a screen on ball or away. What these things tell me is that he’s reading the game better, well enough that he will make more good plays than bad ones. More importantly, what I’m seeing is that he’s learning and doing so quite rapidly.
What’s the alternative? We keep hoping Siakam develops a consistent off the dribble three ball, or that Fred can play top notch FVV basketball while remaining healthy for most of the season? The likelihood of those things happening, based on the evidence in front of us, is super low. And even if those things do happen, what is this team’s ceiling with Siakam and Fred as their top two guys? This team has a good chance of going really far if Scottie can be the guy you run your offence through with Siakam and FVV (if we keep him) as supporting pieces. How many times should we watch Siakam and Fred be good but not good enough before we make the transition to develop the most talented player on this team to take the role that he needs to inhabit in order for this team to be a contender? What is the threshold of “ready” to you? What does that look like?
And for clarity, giving Barnes the keys doesn’t mean that he’s the lead dog immediately as of today. What it means is a concerted effort to start grooming him for that role rather than letting him continue to operate as a connective piece to players who he is likely to pass up in terms of ability by next season.
As for Plumlee or anyone else sagging off of Barnes three weeks ago—how did that work out for them? How quickly has he adapted? I seem to remember Barnes putting Brook Lopez, a super strong guy and top defender in the league, into the rim for an entire quarter even though Lopez was sagging off. It doesn’t matter that Scottie doesn’t have a consistent jumper yet as he’s still finding success his way. How this is not apparent I have no idea. It’s like you and some others want Scottie to be a particular template of a guy who develops such and such skill before giving him a bigger role while ignoring that what he brings right now. And though that’s different than what you’d expect from a wing, it is more than enough for him to be effective playing the way he likes to play. Barnes can’t run the pnr or beat guys off the dribble so we ignore everything else he CAN do? Makes no sense to me. There’s more than one way to succeed at basketball. And maybe just maybe he develops those skills with more reps the way Fred appears to be doing this season. But you have to give him the leash to do it.
My question for you and some others is this: how many more times does Barnes need to look like the best player on the floor before we start grooming him to actually be that?
In not now, when?
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