[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Siakam/Anunoby were picks in the 20s. Beal!

So basically want to give up on the season with these great players we have, to wait another six years to have the same caliber players? Why not get Beal and go for it this year and run it back next year with a balanced roster that includes a scorer like Beal?

I do not want to pay 35 year old Beal 60M a year. The guy can barley crack 20ppg on a bad team. Worst contract in the league and he has a no trade clause.

He's only 29 currently and would be 33 when the contract ends.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

[CanadianBacon15]

So basically want to give up on the season with these great players we have, to wait another six years to have the same caliber players? Why not get Beal and go for it this year and run it back next year with a balanced roster that includes a scorer like Beal?

I do not want to pay 35 year old Beal 60M a year. The guy can barley crack 20ppg on a bad team. Worst contract in the league and he has a no trade clause.

He's only 29 currently and would be 33 when the contract ends.

Regardless, I think you missed the whole no trade clause point. The man has been falling off year after year. I presumed it was because he has been in the league for a decade. He was drafted in 2012. A good rule of thumb is to not trade for the Wizards mistakes and I would not want to pay prime Beal 60M a year and he is past that already, imagine what he looks like 4 years from now. Yikes! Good luck finding anyone on here that thinks this is a good idea.

[mtcan]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

Apparently, Cam turned down 4 years, 72 million before the extension deadline...and if you ask me...that's what he should be getting. And so no...I don't think I would want to pay him 4 years, 80+ million to be essentially an energy guy off the bench.

Cam is a great addition to a team that's ready to win. He doesn't belong on a team that's essentially rebuilding making the kind of money he is asking for.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I do not want to pay 35 year old Beal 60M a year. The guy can barley crack 20ppg on a bad team. Worst contract in the league and he has a no trade clause.

He's only 29 currently and would be 33 when the contract ends.

Regardless, I think you missed the whole no trade clause situation. The man has been falling off year after year. I presumed it was because he has been in the league for a decade. He was drafted in 2012. A good rule of thumb is to not trade for the Wizards mistakes and I would not want to pay prime Beal 60M a year and he is past that already. Good luck finding anyone on here that thinks this is a good idea.

I did miss the no trade clause, thanks for that. I still think a trade for a high caliber offensive player would be the best return. Let the core really try and make it happen.

I don't really care what tankers think. They have been wrong since 2014.

[TorontoBarneys]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

Apparently, Cam turned down 4 years, 72 million before the extension deadline...and if you ask me...that's what he should be getting. And so no...I don't think I would want to pay him 4 years, 80+ million to be essentially an energy guy off the bench.

Cam is a great addition to a team that's ready to win. He doesn't belong on a team that's essentially rebuilding making the kind of money he is asking for.

That same headline also said it's unlikely he'd get what he was asking for in 4/85 so it's going to be somewhere in-between. You're going to be paying this guy 18-19 million a year. Does an extra 1 or 2 million really mean that much?

[CanadianBacon15]

He's only 29 currently and would be 33 when the contract ends.

Regardless, I think you missed the whole no trade clause situation. The man has been falling off year after year. I presumed it was because he has been in the league for a decade. He was drafted in 2012. A good rule of thumb is to not trade for the Wizards mistakes and I would not want to pay prime Beal 60M a year and he is past that already. Good luck finding anyone on here that thinks this is a good idea.

I did miss the no trade clause, thanks for that. I still think a trade for a high caliber offensive player would be the best return. Let the core really try and make it happen.

I don't really care what tankers think. They have been wrong since 2014.

Beal may have the worst contract in the entire league. Where are the posters saying this is a good idea? Crickets. So you want to pay Siakam/Beal both supermax contracts and have a trash roster around that big 2.

[mtcan]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

Apparently, Cam turned down 4 years, 72 million before the extension deadline...and if you ask me...that's what he should be getting. And so no...I don't think I would want to pay him 4 years, 80+ million to be essentially an energy guy off the bench.

Cam is a great addition to a team that's ready to win. He doesn't belong on a team that's essentially rebuilding making the kind of money he is asking for.

That same headline also said it's unlikely he'd get what he was asking for in 4/85 so it's going to be somewhere in-between. You're going to be paying this guy 18-19 million a year. Does an extra 1 or 2 million really mean that much?

I'd rather not even have that kind of money on my books because we suck...and we'd suck all the same with him making that kind of coin.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Regardless, I think you missed the whole no trade clause situation. The man has been falling off year after year. I presumed it was because he has been in the league for a decade. He was drafted in 2012. A good rule of thumb is to not trade for the Wizards mistakes and I would not want to pay prime Beal 60M a year and he is past that already. Good luck finding anyone on here that thinks this is a good idea.

I did miss the no trade clause, thanks for that. I still think a trade for a high caliber offensive player would be the best return. Let the core really try and make it happen.

I don't really care what tankers think. They have been wrong since 2014.

Beal may have the worst contract in the league. Where are the posters saying this is a good idea? Crickets.

Um just conceded Beal is not a good idea. But trading for a high caliber players is.

[mademan]

Blah, all these trades bring back limited value
You think all these middling picks will bring back anything? Talk about treadmill. The picks we'd get back are treadmill of the draft

Why not go OG and GTJ for Beal?

Siakam/Anunoby were picks in the 20s. Beal!

So basically want to give up on the season with these great players we have, to wait another six years to have the same caliber players? Why not get Beal and go for it this year and run it back next year with a balanced roster that includes a scorer like Beal?

what great players? Siakam is probably a top 20 guy and no other Raptor breaks top 30. You gonna go on a run with a team led by 2 mid tier all-stars? That's literally never worked before

And thats without getting into Beal's injury history, ridiculous contract and that NTC. If we're going on a run, we need someone better than Siakam to push Siakam to 2nd option. Beal aint that dude

[CanadianBacon15]

I did miss the no trade clause, thanks for that. I still think a trade for a high caliber offensive player would be the best return. Let the core really try and make it happen.

I don't really care what tankers think. They have been wrong since 2014.

Beal may have the worst contract in the league. Where are the posters saying this is a good idea? Crickets.

Um just conceded Beal is not a good idea. But trading for a high caliber players is.

The Raptors hade their chance with KD/Mitchell. Beal just is not the answer man. I really wanted Mitchell but the price he went for was extreme.

[WaltFrazier]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

That's true the Raptors are where shooters go to die

[Johnny Bball]

Lmaoo who is saying they want to trade him, you're joking right? Everyone or most people want Fred gone and OG to stay. The only comments I've seen are with respect to OG wanting out. If he wants out I think people are right to want to maximize his returns even though they probably want him here.

The man flat out denied asking out. But alright, I just strongly doubt he's unhappy with his role given that he's been given every opportunity.

I mean didn't the FO say they aren't taking calls right now, then rumour that they are taking calls takes over as fact the next day? I dunno. Eveyrone WANTS to beleive he wants out seemingly.

And it's a 20 page thread, there's a lot of people seemginly!

What was OG gonna say? "Ya I want off the team." Everyone including the fans would hate him.. he had to lie he's not stupid. multiple reports say he wants out. Where there's smoke there's fire they've been trying to trade him since the summer.. just deal with it. It is what it is...

Also want to add defensive stars don't mean **** in this league it's all about scoring.. those are the best players in the league. OG ain't that guy. He's a role player.

Lmfao no. If they were trying to trade him in the summer he would have been 100% traded already. The entire league wants him. So no, I will not deal with that made up ****.

And I am jack's suprised appendix to find out you or anyone else doesn't think defense matters. Or doesn't watch it or care aboout it. It just wins championships. And you better find another team to watch if you don't want to watch one that is building defense first, because that's what this team has been doing for 5 years now.

They might trade him and listen at the deadline, but there is zero chance they were trying in the summer.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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Yeah there's no way an "analytically minded" franchise like Toronto values a guard that much when that guard has one of the lowest FG% in NBA history for a player with at least 2000 missed field goals. That kind of thinking lands you in the same confused mindset as those who believe Allen Iverson was actually a great player when in truth he was one of the least efficient ball-hogging losers the NBA has ever seen.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

That's true the Raptors are where shooters go to die

The Raptors are where shooters are BORN.

At least Donyell Marshall would agree

[Johnny Bball]

I like Cam Johnson as a player and he’s not going to be a guy that demands a high usage. He’s an above average role player and he’d give the lineup some much needed outside shooting. He’s also going to be cheaper than OG even if he is older.

I also have no faith we have anyone on the roster who will consistently find him for open looks or get him open looks and Nurse has not shown the capability of utilizing good shooters offensively since he’s been here. That’s why I’m out on the Cam deal unless there are 3 draft picks attached to it. I trust Bobby and Masai to do more with those picks that I trust Nick to really utilize Cam like we should.

Apparently, Cam turned down 4 years, 72 million before the extension deadline...and if you ask me...that's what he should be getting. And so no...I don't think I would want to pay him 4 years, 80+ million to be essentially an energy guy off the bench.

Cam is a great addition to a team that's ready to win. He doesn't belong on a team that's essentially rebuilding making the kind of money he is asking for.

That same headline also said it's unlikely he'd get what he was asking for in 4/85 so it's going to be somewhere in-between. You're going to be paying this guy 18-19 million a year. Does an extra 1 or 2 million really mean that much?

Lol @ 85 million. What he finally gets is going to blow that out of the water based on last summers deals.

[The Warrior]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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Fred is a franchise player and they need to get him some help

Haha exactly

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[phanman]

Trent Jr and Fred are giving them excellent production at their current salary. No one doesn't like the production they've given us in relation to the money they are getting. There is a reason why they are both going to get hefty raises on their next contract. It's because they've massively outproduced their current contracts. Wonder how Miami fans feel while they pay Duncan Robinson 18 million for the next three years. lol.

I understand the appeal but Lebron is likely going to retire within the next two years. They are going to likely have loads of cap space. They'd have about 2-3 years to get their team out of the lottery and that's not too difficult if they can recruit some solid players to play for them. Clippers are a much better franchise but they have shown that teams in their situation can be creative and add talent without necessarily having picks.

It's not homerism at all. It's literally what has been reported by numerous sources. lol.

Trent and Fred aren't massively outproducing their contracts at all. They aren't the worse ones out there, but they aren't necessarily great either. Trent has a net negative out there on the floor and Fred has neutral at -0.1. Both guys have regressed both defensively as well as with their outside shot. Honestly, I just don't want to be the team that is left paying either guys the 28+m annually they will be getting on their next contract. With both guys in a contract year, I just expected more coming off career years for both guys last season.

Betting against the Lakers is a worthwhile gamble. The Lakers post LeBron and a 33/34yo Anthony Davis with no assets is a team that is going to be bad. Which star is going to want to play with an older Anthony Davis who is struggling to stay on the court now in his prime? We'd be betting against an incompetent Laker's front office that spent 6 years in the lottery after Kobe tore his Achilles. They lucky enough to be gifted the #2 overall pick THREE times in four years which they used to trade for Davis alongside all their future picks. Sure it was a previous regime but the point still stands as evidenced by the roster construction around the team now after they won the chip in the bubble.

No idea why your using the Clippers as an example considering they have accomplished nothing thus far. The only reason why they have this well rounded team is because Balmer is footing the fill for the highest payroll in the league currently and Kawhi decided to go back home.

Bruce Arthur from the Toronto Star is not numerous sources.. not a good one at that. Honestly your delusional if you think a team is giving up 3 FRPs for OG. I love the guy, but he just isn't that type of guy to net a package like that.

[I Am Awesome-O]

I know memphis wouldn't do this, but I would love this trade

You sure they wouldn't do this?

[CanadianBacon15]

I know memphis wouldn't do this, but I would love this trade

You sure they wouldn't do this?

I think the Brooks/Young part may be why this poster thinks Memphis would say no. Outside looking in it seems like Brooks is a pretty big part of the team and that the fan base has a love/hate relationship with him. Green/Williams and those 1st round picks for OG looks good on paper, but I am not high on Williams and those are going to be picks in the 20s possibly. It would be great to hear the thoughts of a Grizzles fan though in regards to what would be a agreeable trade scenario.