[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[douggood]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers available.

…and what makes you think those are the only deals available when it’s already widely reported that there’s interest league wide?! lol

Those (plus MEM) are only the teams that have been leaked SO FAR (you’re also excluding POR who went after him in the off-season and whom Dame is still apparently applying pressure to be more competitive) ie/ no one was even talking about CLE yet Mitchell ended up there…not NYK, TOR or any other team that was reported at the time.

There is nothing that says those are our only offers, quite the contrary.

i am not saying they are the only offers, but there will be pluses and minuses to each. you want extra picks, they will be protected, want less you can get unprotected, eat bad contracts etc.

my point is it may be that cam is better than getting another protected pick or bad salary.

cam doesnt have to be here long term, its about maximizing return/value right now.

we know the market is equivalent to dejonte murry.
3 picks (charlotte lotto protected that becomes 2nds)
and had to take gallo and release him (negative asset)
1 swap

[arbsn]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

If those are the offers then you don't trade him.

It has to be a young player with another to match salaries and at least two firsts. If you don't get it then you move on and enjoy the rest of the season.

Agreed... The reason you trade OG is because he gets us the best value in return (ie FVV will get low ball offers).

If we are getting crappy offers like 3 late FRPs and a crappy contract its not worth it.

They need at least 1 blue chip player to get an OG trade done. They need a Mathurin, Sharpe, Troy Murphy, Keegan Murray, Jarrett Allen, Kuminga, Suggs, Zaire+Aldama... maybe you consider Ayton

[PhilBlackson]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

PELICANS.

Unless POR will cough up Sharpe, they are THE team to do a deal with. If IND isn’t talking Mathurin (which obv is likely not the case), there’s nothing to talk about.

[ForeverTFC]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

Do they? They're surely trying to build a core of Hali/Mathurin/OG/Turner. What else is there? Smith, Brisset and Duarte are all fringe players with limited upside imo.

Nembhard looks like he's going to be really damn good. Also the pick equity would have to be there.

Is he ever more than a 5th starter?

I don't know man. If I'm trading OG, I want a rotation piece, a high upside prospect, and a lottery pick.

I'd rather hold on to OG at the deadline and make a draft night trade if we're being offered a bunch of likely non-lottery picks and meh prospects and rotation pieces like Cam Johnson.

[Spida888]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

I highly doubt Mathurin is available, but if so, f yes. Pacers picks can be valuable too.

Also as an aside, totally thought Chandler Parsons was Samson Folk there (reporter/podcaster) before I read the name lol.

[bape_lovers]

what??? Pretty sure Masai looking to UPGRADE our team not to be a charity to farm for the SUNS? Your rationale is that OG Must go to contender???? in what way? I agree if you are trading Pascal/Freddy because they are in end of their primes but OG is really young. Why would we do that wtf

why?

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

Why? Because a player like OG is needed on a contender much more than ours, and fits a team better that already has great 3pt-shooting. Cam will fit us like a glove. Not to mention an additional $15m in cap space over the years that can provide additional depth. Now take into account 2-3 1sts and it's a genuinely good swap.

[Tor_Raps]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

I highly doubt Mathurin is available, but if so, f yes. Pacers picks can be valuable too.

Also as an aside, totally thought Chandler Parsons was Samson Folk there (reporter/podcaster) before I read the name lol.

Pacers obviously aren't trading Mathurin/Halli and also wouldn't trade their pick this year without protection that makes us say no.

They'd have to trade Turner/Nembhard for OG/Flynn but they also mentioned that they aren't planning to trade Turner so there's really nothing from their end that's doable.

[Pointgod]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

[rarefind]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

I'm not suggesting you're wrong but OG is highly coveted and we could greatly benefit from a bidding war inflating his price.

[Tor_Raps]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

Ya it's hilarious seeing people treat OG like he's a top 20 player. Dude hasn't even come close to sniffing the allstar game. Teams don't mortgage their future for a career role player (as good as he is).

[RapsFanInOhio]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

You’re not factoring in the competitiveness of the league right now. OG gets the Suns right back into contender status immediately. There’s also a huge market for OG and Cam is about to be 27 - he’s not a young player.

If someone is offering you a younger player with upside and two firsts, Phoenix would give that extra pick to get him.

[CoinTossRoss31]

I feel like the Denver rumor is smoke.
No way I see MPJ + Bones + 1 future first being an attractive package for OG.

Funny to hear Shams continue to mention Indiana.
Would Toronto do a no pick swap Mathurin + filler for OG?

[Slim Charless]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

Ya it's hilarious seeing people treat OG like he's a top 20 player. Dude hasn't even come close to sniffing the allstar game lol.

I feel that CamJo, Dario (for cap reasons) and 2 FRPs is fair. This year's pick and 2025.

Seems like a good deal for both sides

[douggood]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

I'm not suggesting you're wrong but OG is highly coveted and we could greatly benefit from a bidding war inflating his price.

just because it wasnt public doesnt mean there wasnt bidding war for dejonte murray. we know knicks, twolves (before the gobert trade) and others were interested.
dejonte went for 3 picks (1 lotto protected chartlotte pick that becomes seconds), 1 swap and the negative contract of dallino gallanari.
plus other teams see the gm get fired partly over that trade

jrue holliday was traded for pick #24 and 2 future 1sts and 2 swaps, and pelicans had to take back 2 bad contracts.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Indiana for Mathurin would be my personal top deal. I highly doubt that’s available but man, that’s at the top of the list.

I like Sharpe as a number two deal but I don’t think our front office is super high on him or we would have taken the deal at last year’s draft.

[Tor_Raps]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

Ya it's hilarious seeing people treat OG like he's a top 20 player. Dude hasn't even come close to sniffing the allstar game lol.

I feel that CamJo, Dario (for cap reasons) and 2 FRPs is fair. This year's pick and 2025.

Seems like a good deal for both sides

I prefer Ayton to that tbh. I don't hate him the way people on this board do.

Hes been in a situation where he hasn't felt appreciated by his team and it wouldn't be the first time the Suns penny pinching did this to a player.

[RapsFanInOhio]

People are insane if you believe you’re getting 3 unprotected picks and a player like Cam Johnson from the Suns. If you’re getting 3 picks, it’s the Knicks pupu platter of heavily protected picks or you get a young player and two lightly protected picks. Really good young player and 3 unprotected picks are what you can get for Siakim but not for OG

Ya it's hilarious seeing people treat OG like he's a top 20 player. Dude hasn't even come close to sniffing the allstar game lol.

I feel that CamJo, Dario (for cap reasons) and 2 FRPs is fair. This year's pick and 2025.

Seems like a good deal for both sides

It’s 3 firsts for me.

Two games separate the 5th seed and the 12th seed in the West right now. OG absolutely makes a difference in that playoff race and there are at least 5 teams in there who would have some real interest - and that’s just in the West.

[CoinTossRoss31]

Indiana for Mathurin would be my personal top deal. I highly doubt that’s available but man, that’s at the top of the list.

I like Sharpe as a number two deal but I don’t think our front office is super high on him or we would have taken the deal at last year’s draft.

The deal was there last year to be made. Portland didn't want to cough up the extra first. Now I don't know if Portland could still get OG for just Sharpe + 1 first + filler

[ItsDanger]

What about OG for Indiana's 3 1st round 2023 picks? I'm not crazy about these picks 10 years away. Flip another guy for draft capital and we can move up in draft

[islandboy53]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

Indeed, but if those are the best offers available, maybe he's not moving.