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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#61 » by 80sballboy » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:10 pm

NatP4 wrote:Most definitely going to buy out Barton and put Jackson on the big league squad. It’s a small move, but Jackson is a big time prospect flying way under the radar. He could be shot creator that they need wheneve Nunn is out her point shaving for 20+ minutes a night.


It's not the move we wanted today, but he's a young 6-5 combo guard who is outrageous athletically and is making around 40% of his three-pointers. There is some potential there and he'll be fun to watch for the home fans. Waive Barton and Nunn. I really don't care. Just play the younger guys. Even Johnny Davis. Rest the mid-three as much as possible along with Morris and Gafford if they are nicked up. We want a lottery pick this year.
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Post#62 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:12 pm

NatP4 wrote:So I guess we are gonna hand Kuzma a massive contract this off-season or lose him for nothing. That is absolutely terrible.

No clue why Barton and Nunn weren’t moved for literally anything.

Hyland returned a couple 2nd round picks, so we definitely could’ve gotten a fair bit more for sending Morris to the Clippers.

GP2 went for 5 2nd round picks, so what could Delon Wright have returned?

This is just awful.


Trading Morris or Wright for picks would probably result in a ton of additional losses as evidenced by what happened when Wright sat for a while. Ted is serious about making the playoffs.
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Post#63 » by Frichuela » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:15 pm

Tommy oh Tommy, so you are gonna pay Kuzma a $30mn/year contract, truly idiotic and disappointing…
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Post#65 » by DCZards » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:38 pm

80sballboy wrote:The big move
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Post#66 » by Jay81 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:42 pm

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Post#67 » by AFM » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:47 pm

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Post#68 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:49 pm

I will say this. I am not shocked we didn't do anything at the top of the rotation. But, there needed to be things done to open up flexibility. We should have made moved to get Todd and gill to other teams to open up a little room. We should have made a bigger effort to turn Barton or Nunn into smaller contracts. Right now the only money we can save is a few million in buy out bucks and that's if guys like Barton, Nunn, Taj, Gill and Todd cooperate. We will make a play for Westbrook, which I think is fine. Probably miss out. I doubt we go back to wall. So here we are . We need to lock in Goodwin and Jackson. But we needed to do more to upgrade the back half of this team that has too much dead money on it. Very dissapointed in tommy.

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Post#69 » by FAH1223 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:54 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:I will say mediocrity is probably something they aspire too.

'19-'20: 22-43
'20-'21: 34-38
'21-'22: 35-47
'22-'23: 25-29

I know you know this, but laying the #'s out really shows how little they aspire too period. Zero .500 or better seasons since taking over and a cumulative record of 116-157.

That's straight trash. It aint tanking (idiots, five years to figure this out and still clueless), it's accidentally being totally irrelevant and then failing to utilize any of the rewards for incompetence (draft capital). Winning percentage of .424 and they think it's just injuries and bad luck lol. Really?

So lets just say I'm relieved that the extent of the stupid they engaged in was trading Rui for nothing. It could have been worse, the worse probably happens in the offseason with more anvil grand mal idiocy contracts like Beals and Wall's and Mahinmi and on and on and on.


I'm starting to think its not by accident but rather by design.

Glad we will stay in the lottery and keep our pick though.
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Post#70 » by Dat2U » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:56 pm

Toronto, Atlanta & New York were all buyers and improved. Nets already got 32 wins and would be really hard to catch. Wiz appear locked into play territory. Indy might out tank 'em but Chicago is about even in terms of talent & disfunction. 10th or 11th in the East feels about right so 9th pick once again?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#71 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:58 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:I will say mediocrity is probably something they aspire too.

'19-'20: 22-43
'20-'21: 34-38
'21-'22: 35-47
'22-'23: 25-29

I know you know this, but laying the #'s out really shows how little they aspire too period. Zero .500 or better seasons since taking over and a cumulative record of 116-157.

That's straight trash. It aint tanking (idiots, five years to figure this out and still clueless), it's accidentally being totally irrelevant and then failing to utilize any of the rewards for incompetence (draft capital). Winning percentage of .424 and they think it's just injuries and bad luck lol. Really?

So lets just say I'm relieved that the extent of the stupid they engaged in was trading Rui for nothing. It could have been worse, the worse probably happens in the offseason with more anvil grand mal idiocy contracts like Beals and Wall's and Mahinmi and on and on and on.


I'm starting to think its not by accident but rather by design.

Glad we will stay in the lottery and keep our pick though.


No guarantee we stay in the lottery. We’re now all in for #10… win a couple of games and bam, we’re in the real kids’ first round and lose our pick.
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Post#72 » by NatP4 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:04 pm

Yeah, my fear is they are actually a decent team and win enough to lose the pick and still get beat in 5 games in round 1.

And it wouldn’t surprise me if they really view Nunn as the shot creator they need off the bench, and now Jackson just rides bench in the NBA and doesn’t play anywhere at all. Goodwin has shown he’s a player and he still sits behind Barton&Nunn.

The biggest mistake is still keeping Kuzma though. This 100% verifies that they actually view him as a max level player worth keeping around.
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Post#73 » by 80sballboy » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:06 pm

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Post#74 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:16 pm

For what it's worth, I do *think* there'd be some degree of pause regarding our future if this team fails to make the play-in, or loses in the play-in.

For as annoying as Ted is, committing to multi-year commitments to lock in a team that couldn't win a play-in series would likely result in....something, I just don't know what that something is. Do I think he'd still make the extensions regardless? Yes. Do I think someone would get fired? No. But I think some change in strategy would occur. Not necessarily for the good.
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Post#75 » by The Consiglieri » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:16 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:I will say mediocrity is probably something they aspire too.

'19-'20: 22-43
'20-'21: 34-38
'21-'22: 35-47
'22-'23: 25-29

I know you know this, but laying the #'s out really shows how little they aspire too period. Zero .500 or better seasons since taking over and a cumulative record of 116-157.

That's straight trash. It aint tanking (idiots, five years to figure this out and still clueless), it's accidentally being totally irrelevant and then failing to utilize any of the rewards for incompetence (draft capital). Winning percentage of .424 and they think it's just injuries and bad luck lol. Really?

So lets just say I'm relieved that the extent of the stupid they engaged in was trading Rui for nothing. It could have been worse, the worse probably happens in the offseason with more anvil grand mal idiocy contracts like Beals and Wall's and Mahinmi and on and on and on.


I'm starting to think its not by accident but rather by design.

Glad we will stay in the lottery and keep our pick though.


No guarantee we stay in the lottery. We’re now all in for #10… win a couple of games and bam, we’re in the real kids’ first round and lose our pick.


That schedule is definitely concerning. It looks like we should be able to to go somewhere between 12-16 and 15-13 in our last 28 at minimum. It's not that sort of schedule likely to push us down into sub 30 wins, we're definitely winning 35-40 games minimum barring an absolute litany of injuries. That puts us firmly in the 8th-11th area assuming reasonable health.

The good news is this team sucks, so more than likely, they play more around .500, finish at 38-39 wins, and lose the playoff if they make it.

As ridiculous as it is to say, part of me doesn't care if we lose the pick this year because lets be honest, as good a draft as it looks like, #1 we'll screw it up, and #2 that rookie deal will be wrapped before the litany of moronic contracts we'll sign will be donezo, so honestly this team is a 25-40 win team no matter what happens (well unless we won the lottery) for at least 3-4 years going forward, so might as well flush the pick now, when we're still years away from any hope whatsoever. But I hate throwing away a pick in a good draft.

It sucks to be a fan of this dumber than ---- team. "Punishing fans for more than 40 years". They should have a banner at the entrances that says that.
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Post#76 » by WallToWall » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:26 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#77 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:15 pm

NatP4 wrote:So I guess we are gonna hand Kuzma a massive contract this off-season or lose him for nothing. That is absolutely terrible.

No clue why Barton and Nunn weren’t moved for literally anything.

Hyland returned a couple 2nd round picks, so we definitely could’ve gotten a fair bit more for sending Morris to the Clippers.

GP2 went for 5 2nd round picks, so what could Delon Wright have returned?

This is just awful.

I honestly don't think Barton and Nunn were worth anything. Everyone knows we are going to buy one of them out, so why give up assets?

They didn't trade Morris because they are happy as a 10th seed team, and we need Morris to be a 10th seed team.

The GP2 deal is the toughest one to swallow. Wright is honestly better than GPII. I would have been ecstatic to get back three 2nd round picks in a Wright trade, much less 5. We are going to end up salary dumping Wright at some point next year in order to stay under the tax. And we will probably get nothing at all in return because everyone will know we have no choice.
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Post#78 » by trast66 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:16 pm

I’m surprised we didn’t move Wright or Morris in order to pay KP and Kuzma as much as possible. Clear indication they have negative value. We can trade them next February and attach draft picks to get below luxury tax when we are sitting at 24-28.
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Post#79 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:17 pm

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Like I said all along. This was a no-brainer.
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Post#80 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:18 pm

trast66 wrote:I’m surprised we didn’t move Wright or Morris in order to pay KP and Kuzma as much as possible. Clear indication they have negative value. We can trade them next February and attach draft picks to get below luxury tax when we are sitting at 24-28.

Morris and Wright have positive value. If GP2 is worth 5 second round picks, Wright definitely is valued.

We didn't trade them because WE value them so much that we want to keep them. It's critically important to have those guys around so we win 38 games this year instead of 36.

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