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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#61 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:46 pm

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Skin wrote:So what am I missing here..... The Magic spend $3M dollars more to bring in and waive Bev in order to get a 2nd round pick that they sell for $500K??? :lol:


It’s about summer cap space.

I’m not in love with any of the free agents so I’m not saying I myself am happy or upset with the move. I’m just saying that is clearly what the cap math points to here and what the Magic insiders have already shared about why this happened.

Cap space can be used in a trade too for a player that might become available. I'd rather have the flexibility.... than do something JUST to do something. They have their plan and they are sticking to it. Just gotta wait and see what becomes available. :-)
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#62 » by FFBlitzace » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:48 pm

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Skin wrote:So what am I missing here..... The Magic spend $3M dollars more to bring in and waive Bev in order to get a 2nd round pick that they sell for $500K??? :lol:


Let the homer moderators try to sell you that we somehow didn't lose here.



Well first of all, it's not quite $3M. Up until this point, the Lakers have been writing Beverley's checks, not the Magic. Given the stage of the season we're in, the increase in salary would be closer to $1M than $3M, and that number could go lower depending on how much he might agree to sacrifice in a buyout. Second, despite Weltman's disappointing history with 2nd round draft picks, that doesn't necessarily define any future 2nd round draft picks. If anything, today showed that they can have some value if you combine enough of them together. And to be clear, we're talking strictly about out-of-pocket money from ownership, not salary cap. Because it truly is an effectively identical swap in terms of cap, since Bamba's contract was not guaranteed.

If there was a loss, it happened four and a half years ago when the Magic drafted Bamba instead of someone who would have succeeded in becoming a core piece. This trade, in and of itself, is not a loss. Any potential gain might be negligible, but it's not a loss. That's not homerism, it's just simple fact.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#63 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:16 pm

They DIDNT gain any cap space. Bamba s deal is 100% team option. He’s a decent sub for ORL if nobody wanted to pay… if I try really hard to find something good in this, maybe it means Isaac is ready for more minutes…SMH
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#64 » by fendilim » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:21 pm

Skybox wrote:They DIDNT gain any cap space. Bamba s deal is 100% team option. He’s a decent sub for ORL if nobody wanted to pay… if I try really hard to find something good in this, maybe it means Isaac is ready for more minutes…SMH

It is a good deal. Getting at least some value for him than letting him walk for nothing in the offseason.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#65 » by SloNick Russia » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:25 pm

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SloNick Russia wrote:Any info on 2 rounder details? What year, what team, protections? Why we always ready to give LAL a hand is a question for me.

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Not important... we either trade em for cash considerations or package them into the inevitable 5 SRPs for a player...
Well, Houstan is a high second round pick we actually drafted and try to develop. As team gets better second rounders actually get more value as a source of cheap bench players, soon we will have to re-sign our young players and cap will be an issue.


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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#66 » by Magic_Kingdom » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:25 pm

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AdamTH21 wrote:Am I in the minority when it comes to really hoping we keep Pat Bev?

No issues with this deal. At the absolute worst, we clear some money (I think? Can't remember the specifics of Bamba's contract) and pick up a second round pick for a guy who is our third-best center.


Magic actually took on a tiny bit of money.

Bev makes 13M and Bamba makes 10.3M.

Bev is expiring and Bamba is fully non-guaranteed for next year at 10.3M

So we actually took on more money to give them Bamba for a player we will waive? How does this make sense? Did ownership get paid by the league to help out the Lakers?
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#67 » by fendilim » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:30 pm

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AdamTH21 wrote:Am I in the minority when it comes to really hoping we keep Pat Bev?

No issues with this deal. At the absolute worst, we clear some money (I think? Can't remember the specifics of Bamba's contract) and pick up a second round pick for a guy who is our third-best center.


Magic actually took on a tiny bit of money.

Bev makes 13M and Bamba makes 10.3M.

Bev is expiring and Bamba is fully non-guaranteed for next year at 10.3M

So we actually took on more money to give them Bamba for a player we will waive? How does this make sense? Did ownership get paid by the league to help out the Lakers?

We got cash considerations and the 2nd round pick is worth is more than that.

Package enough 2nds, you get good players too
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#68 » by Magic_Kingdom » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:33 pm

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Skin wrote:So what am I missing here..... The Magic spend $3M dollars more to bring in and waive Bev in order to get a 2nd round pick that they sell for $500K??? :lol:


It’s about summer cap space.

I’m not in love with any of the free agents so I’m not saying I myself am happy or upset with the move. I’m just saying that is clearly what the cap math points to here and what the Magic insiders have already shared about why this happened.

There was no summer cap space benefit to this trade. Bamba was non-guaranteed next season.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#69 » by Knightro » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:51 pm

The Magic grabbed a 2nd round pick for a player who wasn't going to be here next year. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#70 » by Skin » Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:00 am

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Knightro wrote:
Magic actually took on a tiny bit of money.

Bev makes 13M and Bamba makes 10.3M.

Bev is expiring and Bamba is fully non-guaranteed for next year at 10.3M

So we actually took on more money to give them Bamba for a player we will waive? How does this make sense? Did ownership get paid by the league to help out the Lakers?

We got cash considerations and the 2nd round pick is worth is more than that.

Package enough 2nds, you get good players too

Like 5 of them for Gary Payton II? :lol:
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#71 » by SloNick Russia » Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:11 am

So its Denver's 2024 2nd rounder, likely a low one

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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#72 » by Black and Blue » Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:43 am

Bamba trade simplified is for a 2nd and to get him the heck off the team. Plain and simple. “Why would you want him off the team” you may be thinking. He has been thoroughly outplayed by Mo Wagner to an embarrassing degree. In post game celebrations the guy has almost injured a couple of our own players. He just got suspended 4 games for a fistfight while heckling from the bench. And this is just the stuff we have seen on the court in a make or break year. Guy seems to be a knucklehead with a capital K, and the sooner you jettison that from a young team on the upswing the better.

I had high hopes for Bamba like all of us, but this season he seemed at odds with every aspect the front office is trying to build. On paper this trade signals they didn’t even want to wait the 2 months for the season to end to move on.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#73 » by Skin » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:01 am

What a waste of a pick. WeHam have to own this one.

Not trading up for Trae, JJJ, or Luka. Passing on Mikal Bridges, SGA, Porter Jr. Yeeeesh, that's ugly.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#74 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:24 am

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I had high hopes for Bamba like all of us, but this season he seemed at odds with every aspect the front office is trying to build. On paper this trade signals they didn’t even want to wait the 2 months for the season to end to move on.


I knew he was a bust since draft day and posted here about it at the time. I was angry with the pick. Bamba is not gonna provem all wrong!
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#75 » by MasterGMer » Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:25 am

It hasn't been clear yet, will we buy out Pat Bev?
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#76 » by Knightro » Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:37 am

MasterGMer wrote:It hasn't been clear yet, will we buy out Pat Bev?


Yes. He is not even reporting to Orlando.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#77 » by basketballRob » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:00 am

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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#78 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:04 am

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Black and Blue wrote:
I had high hopes for Bamba like all of us, but this season he seemed at odds with every aspect the front office is trying to build. On paper this trade signals they didn’t even want to wait the 2 months for the season to end to move on.


I knew he was a bust since draft day and posted here about it at the time. I was angry with the pick. Bamba is not gonna provem all wrong!
Drafting Bamba after drafting JI the previous year was idiotic as soon as it happened and I called that out.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#79 » by Skybox » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:50 am

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Skybox wrote:They DIDNT gain any cap space. Bamba s deal is 100% team option. He’s a decent sub for ORL if nobody wanted to pay… if I try really hard to find something good in this, maybe it means Isaac is ready for more minutes…SMH

It is a good deal. Getting at least some value for him than letting him walk for nothing in the offseason.


Does nobody here understand he was 100% on a Team Option for next year...he doesn't walk unless we release him. If we had a better use for cap space, we release him. If we want to trade him, some other team makes that decision...that's his value. I'm more than okay with moving on from Mo, in general, but this was a useless deal.
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Re: Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY?? 

Post#80 » by Last Guardian » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:51 am

Skin wrote:What a waste of a pick. WeHam have to own this one.

Not trading up for Trae, JJJ, or Luka. Passing on Mikal Bridges, SGA, Porter Jr. Yeeeesh, that's ugly.


Why would those teams trade down?

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