Knicks trade for Josh Hart

[Knicksfan1992]

Wait...so Morey trades Thybulle for McDaniels and a second rounder? Yet Rose has to cough up a 1st to get Hart....

Morey still a genius and Rose a dumbass.

McDaniels is a worse player than Hart and Thybulle is probably slightly better asset than Cam because he at least has 1 elite NBA skill. That's probably where the difference lies.

Also Hart's contract situation makes it so he's not exactly a rental whereas McDaniels is going to be hard to keep for Philly. His structure is the same as how Brunsons was structured where McDaniels is almost assuredly going to hit the open market.

[aq_ua]

Wait...so Morey trades Thybulle for McDaniels and a second rounder? Yet Rose has to cough up a 1st to get Hart....

Morey still a genius and Rose a dumbass.

Thybulle was second team all-defense the last two years.
I think you can criticize Rose for trading for Cam in the first place, but you can’t compare the values of Thybulle and Cam at all.

I didn't compare them....I pointed to how Morey gets draft assets and Rose squanders them, maybe you missed that.

You’re naturally comparing the two if you’re comparing the trade value of the two (i.e. why did one trade require a protected first round pick to be attached, while the other did not). But, since the hang up appears to be the use of a draft asset at all, we’re light on talent and looking to make a playoff push. We might still end up with a decent pick if the Kyrie in Dallas experiment blows up. Either way, it’s really not about Morey and just about disagreements over the direction of the Knicks, and nothing you nor I can do about that.

[robillionaire]

[Adelheid]

make drose part of the coaching staff then
he is not soaking up minutes anyway

[HarthorneWingo]

He's gonna be our secret weapon in the playoffs.

[HarthorneWingo]

From an objective perspective

Watch on YouTube

[thebuzzardman]

this guy looks great I think we won the trade

Watch on YouTube

iShart replacement

[thebuzzardman]

Cut and paste generic veteran role playing starter at SG for a Knicks team pretending to be a regular-season contender. I agree Hart is a nice player, but let's not pretend Leon didn't send out 2 FRPs to get him, not to mention likely benching his last two FRPs (Grimes/Deuce) to play him, not to mention an expensive role-playing (French) free-agent SG collecting dust on the bench.

The MSG role player show rolls on.

Grimes will play, Deuce is a 2nd rounder. Try again.

Nitpicky m'fer, love you.

I don't recall the exact trade history of how we ended up with Grimes and Deuce, but I do recall typical MSG shenanigans afoot where I thought maybe they traded down and out of the first round, so let me clarify---

Everything I said is true -- Deuce will be out and Grimes (Leon's last 2 draft picks) will likely go to the bench and see his opportunities reduced. You got me on the trutherism that Deuce was a 2RP. Bravo!

You don't agree with me, and that's okay but Josh Hart to me and apparently others is reminiscent of many other generic veteran role-playing SGs of recent Knicks past.

Incoming Thibs 8.5-man rotation w/minimal threes and maximum rim protection:

Mitch | Hartenstein
Randle | Obi
RJ
Hart |Grimes
Brunson | IQ

It sucks that Deuce will get his minutes cut. I don't think Grimes gets his minutes cut that much, plus I think playing 28 instead of 31 minutes a game might be good for his jumper.
RJ could play 5 less minutes too.

I don't think it's fair to judge it exactly as Knick moves in the past. They'd play vets over higher picks and give them all the minutes while not developing any youth; this FO/coach, while nothing great, mostly gets extra picks, mostly drafts guys - yes, they've traded out of a draft/traded picks, yet they continue to play & start RJ/Mitch (previous regime) and give large roles to IQ/Grimes (their picks), Obi has a role (not enough but still) and Sims and McBride get minutes, Sims somewhat significant, McBride minutes lately.
That's just not like other regimes. It's almost a normal club.

[thebuzzardman]

I just love how the teams have traded the draft rights of dudes who will never ever be in the NBA lol.

Aller flipped one hairy non NBA euro into 2.

Aller the genius of periperal NBA moves.

I think Aller has stock in devices you use to shave your back.

[Fat Kat]

The Knicks used a first rounder on Knox, traded him and a first rounder for Cam, then used him and a first rounder to get Hart. So the Knicks have used 3 first rounders to acquire Hart instead of use 3 first rounders to get Mitchell...hmmm

Doesn't work that way. At the least, they exchanged that trail for Hart, who was also a 1st rounder, so -1

=2

Then Atl used 2 picks to get Murray while the Knicks used 2 to get Hart...

[Oscirus]

hold on, the knicks added a 2nd? Why?

[Adelheid]

knicks might have been pushy upfront with the desire to trade for jhart because nova alumnus
and because they are prolly very upfront about it, they lose leverage

[TKKnicks1]

So does Hart have to "earn" the starting spot over RJ? I swear Thibs would probably make KD even "earn" it. Have him coming off the bench like an idiot. This trade will only work if Hart plays next to Brunson. RJ should be the one having to "earn".

[DLTGWH]

The Knicks used a first rounder on Knox, traded him and a first rounder for Cam, then used him and a first rounder to get Hart. So the Knicks have used 3 first rounders to acquire Hart instead of use 3 first rounders to get Mitchell...hmmm

Doesn't work that way. At the least, they exchanged that trail for Hart, who was also a 1st rounder, so -1

=2

Then Atl used 2 picks to get Murray while the Knicks used 2 to get Hart...

Atlanta gave 4 picks including 3 unprotected for Murray. Knicks gave one protected and another heavily protected (for cam) for Hart.

But other than the fact they are very different I agree they are totally the same.

Why can’t people just enjoy best stretch of Knicks ball in last 20 years? Plus the fact they are doing with a young core with some homegrown talent.

[DLTGWH]

Doesn't work that way. At the least, they exchanged that trail for Hart, who was also a 1st rounder, so -1

=2

Then Atl used 2 picks to get Murray while the Knicks used 2 to get Hart...

Atlanta gave 2 unprotected picks (plus a swap) and a protected pick for Murray. Knicks gave one protected and another heavily protected (for cam) for Hart.

But other than the fact they are very different I agree they are totally the same.

Why can’t people just enjoy best stretch of Knicks ball in last 20 years? Plus the fact they are doing with a young core with some homegrown talent.

[DowNY]

So does Hart have to "earn" the starting spot over RJ? I swear Thibs would probably make KD even "earn" it. Have him coming off the bench like an idiot. This trade will only work if Hart plays next to Brunson. RJ should be the one having to "earn".

Why does RJ have to earn on his own team and why did you compare Hart to KD?

[TKKnicks1]

So does Hart have to "earn" the starting spot over RJ? I swear Thibs would probably make KD even "earn" it. Have him coming off the bench like an idiot. This trade will only work if Hart plays next to Brunson. RJ should be the one having to "earn".

Why does RJ have to earn on his own team and why did you compare Hart to KD?

I actually like RJ and would like to put him in a position to succeed. What we have seen so far in his 3 years is that the starting lineup just doesn't fit his game alongside Randle. His defense and his shot selection are horrendous. Until he can prove he can fit with the starting 5, Hart should be given the nod. Hoping Harts prior connection with Brunson will work to perfection.

[KnicksFTW]

Anyone have an idea of when Hart is likely to play?

[mpharris36]

Anyone have an idea of when Hart is likely to play?

the deal was done Wednesday night (maybe made official by league office thursday). See no reason he wouldn't be suited up tonight. Whether or not Thibs plays him without a practice is another thing.

[spree2kawhi]

Over his last ten games, Josh Hart shot .208 from three. Just putting it out there.