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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

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What do you think our chances are of winning the West and the Championship if we win the West?

20-30% we win west, 70-80% someone else in field does
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10%
30-40% we win west, 60-70% someone else in field does
12
19%
40-50% we win west, 50-60% someone else in field does
7
11%
Greater than 50% we win west, less than 50% someone else in field does
5
8%
IF we win west, 50/50 chance we win vs east team
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27%
IF we win west, greater than 50% chance we win vs east team
8
13%
IF we win west, less than 50% chance we win vs east team
7
11%
 
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins 

Post#1341 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:11 pm

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If the report is true that Toronto turned down 3 1sts for OG then it's probably Cam and 4 1sts for Pascal. So question is would you rather have Siakam and Bridges or KD. I think it's a valid debate but personally I'd go KD because of my belief the best player on the floor determines most playoff series.

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Without a doubt, Siakam and Bridges. Best player has to be ON the floor. He probably will be, but no guarantee. Is he better than Giannis?

I don't necessarily believe best player on the floor determines things. Seems we haven't had a ton of problems with Denver. The best team overall usually wins. LeBron and AD can't even make the playoffs. Kobe couldn't win until he had the best team. Neither could KG. Or LeBron. Or Jordan. You have to have a good team.
Yeah, I figured you would choose that. You've been anti Durant since the rumor first hit. You were also very down on the CP trade.

I'd argue CP outplayed Jokic in that Phoenix vs Denver series. But yeah it's not that the best player automatically wins but it's very very common.

The suns two recent playoff losses were Giannis and Luka being that guy.

Look at LeBrons finals losses. It's to Duncan twice, Curry once alone then twice with KD and KD was a supernova in one of those, and dirk once. All without a doubt first ballot hall of famers. I'd also say in all but one of those series LeBron was either matched or flat out out played in that specific series.

You can go back to the 80s and every championship team except Detroit and maybe Toronto (depending how you rank Kahwi) and every one of those teams has had a guy who's minimum top 50 players of all time and most were won by guys who are top 10 all time.

Heck it would make the NBA more interesting if this wasn't the case but it's pretty clear you need an all time great to win chips.

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I wasn't that down on the CP3 trade...I had just wished we could have done it without the pick and was worried about his health overall and for the playoffs.

As for KD, I mainly just didn't think it would happen over the summer, but again, now, am mostly worried about health given the achilles and MCL stuff. Then I was surprised we needed to include that many picks. I figured it would take Bridges AND Cam, though I didn't think they really would want them in the summer given their wings, and then they got DFS. But those unprotected picks is a lot. I am not saying we won't win a championship but it's not guaranteed and I don't like sacrificing the future for the present as I like to enjoy watching the team and I like to have players I really like. I know for you, you have the Bucks so if we have a big rough stretch it's less of an issue. But with Paul, I was never a huge Oubre fan, and I knew he wanted a lot of money, and while I liked Rubio, I knew CP3 was a huge upgrade. I just thought OKC, given his contract, was probably eager to get rid of Paul at the time because his value had taken a big hit with that enormous contract and Houston just had given them picks plus Paul to get Westbrook. But he did play really well in OKC. I just didn't know how long he would have left and if he could stay healthy since it was his first healthy year in a while.
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins 

Post#1342 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:12 pm

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Post#1343 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:12 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Paul/Payne/Saben (2 way?)
Booker/Lee/Shamet
Craig/Warren/Okogie
KD/Bazley/Ish (2 way?)
Ayton/Jock/Biz

Is Saben Lee under contract?

We must have one open one. Some people say 2 but I am not sure where. Is Ish taking up a roster spot? Are Ish and Lee are 2 ways?

Not sure who we will/could get on buyout.

Love, Jackson, Barton, Ross, Kaminsky


Kaminsky may not be the most talent of this group, but he knows the system, the players, and I know Mikal gave it all, all the time, and is more talented than Kaminsky, but if we want to bring in someone to give this bench some heart, and is still young enough to maintain some stamina, an occasional 3, and NTM, some increased BBIQ, this is the guy we need to bring in, IMO...


I don't know why you guys have an obsession with him. Let's go back in time when we played the Clippers in the West Finals. Pat Beverly cheap shots cp3 and sends him flying-could've easily injured him and who's there just standing by watching the whole thing? Oh The Great Kaminsky.

Seriously he stood there like he was waiting in line at the local Wendy's.

We don't need him, he's soft. He also sucks at basketball.


I'm not obsessed with Kaminsky. I just know Monty and Jones kind of like him. I'd prefer all the other guys and probably others.
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Post#1344 » by matt131 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:13 pm

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Cool image, But Ayton looks lost and unsure! They probably should've at least made him look more focused........lol :lol:


They would need some serious photoshop skills for that.

lol JOKING. but still, a little funny
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Post#1345 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:21 pm

I guess Frank can have a spot if they are worried about the vibes after that trade. I do think he's very well liked by Booker and others. But as far as on the court I don't see much of a path for him to help. My preference is Jackson and a wing

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Post#1346 » by Slim Charless » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:26 pm

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Cool image, But Ayton looks lost and unsure! They probably should've at least made him look more focused........lol :lol:


They would need some serious photoshop skills for that.

lol JOKING. but still, a little funny


That has to be on purpose. They got Ayton lookin goofy when everyone else looks ready for war. Who did this? Probably KLEON, JDiddy or 1 of the other DA fans on here lol.

Ayton is the key to all of this. I don't think we can win it all without getting the former Ayton.
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Post#1347 » by Bogyo » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:48 pm

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Wait, this kid can play basketball. What kept him out? Bball iq or other stuff? I mean he can move, fluid athlete, has an OK straight line drive with 1-2 dribles, seen a euro step here and there, spin moves... and now he shoots 3s at an OK clip (on low volume).
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Post#1348 » by lonea » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:56 pm

Don't see why some of you are so obsessed with draft picks.

You can have tons of draft picks like OKC and just end up being a farm team for other NBA teams.

Shai is gonna want out of OKC and guess what... they will get more draft picks from him. Keeping draft picks are pointless.
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Post#1349 » by matt131 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:57 pm

No TJ Warren, Bazley, or KD tonight. They will join the team back in Phoenix apparently. I get that it may be hard to join up on a road trip and they may want to find housing and all that, but I wish they would come watch the game like Mikal and Cam did in NY. But I guess that was a home game. I think our next game is on Tuesday, so they would have had plenty of time to settle even if they came to the Pacers game. We better freaking win. At least Book is playing.
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Post#1350 » by Waylay13 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:01 pm

lonea wrote:Don't see why some of you are so obsessed with draft picks.

You can have tons of draft picks like OKC and just end up being a farm team for other NBA teams.

Shai is gonna want out of OKC and guess what... they will get more draft picks from him. Keeping draft picks are pointless.


First lets talk about what a draft pick is. it is chance to get that lucky player who might one day become a star. Lebron. Magic and Jordan. Realistically what is draft pick is a means to get a player who can fill a need for a controlled salary and a chance to keep that player for years.
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Post#1351 » by lonea » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:09 pm

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lonea wrote:Don't see why some of you are so obsessed with draft picks.

You can have tons of draft picks like OKC and just end up being a farm team for other NBA teams.

Shai is gonna want out of OKC and guess what... they will get more draft picks from him. Keeping draft picks are pointless.


First lets talk about what a draft pick is. it is chance to get that lucky player who might one day become a star. Lebron. Magic and Jordan. Realistically what is draft pick is a means to get a player who can fill a need for a controlled salary and a chance to keep that player for years.


Yes, only make sense if you are a bottom of the barrel team for YEARS like what happened with New Orleans, Cleveland...

and then you hope the draft year you have the top pick have good players in the pool available...

and then you hope you win the draft lottery...

So... is draft picks really worth all that?

Look what happened with Wiseman... hell, what about Anthony Bennet :lol:
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Post#1352 » by BobbieL » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:10 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I guess Frank can have a spot if they are worried about the vibes after that trade. I do think he's very well liked by Booker and others. But as far as on the court I don't see much of a path for him to help. My preference is Jackson and a wing

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I think the Suns need to get the best basketball players they can get. And like you said, Jackson and a wing player would be ideal.

I think March 1 is the cut off for players eligible for the playoffs so there is some time for the players to be bought out
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Post#1353 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:10 pm

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Jdiddy701 wrote:The way teams have defended him as of late has been concerning. They’re daring him to shoot. I know he is overall shooting pretty well for three this season but not something I have too much faith in the playoffs. His rebound is a plus though. We can always count on him to crash the boards on both ends.

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They are daring him to shoot because we have had limited offensive options. We will have 4 offensive options. He is not the right guy to pass to Ayton but one or two of the other guys will be open but he never really should be handling in the first place outside of rebounding but then should pass immediately.


Craig has confidence issues. If he only has to shoot on occasion or situationally, he can thrive. But in the playoffs, a smart opposing HC will do what Pop did with a similar player - Quentin Richardson. Dude led the league in 3FGM the year he played with us - chucked it whenever he got the chance. But in the playoffs, Pop put Duncan on him, and Duncan laid off and gave him the open 3 every time. Q had to take it, and... missed. Every time. Because he wasn't a pure shooter. He was a rhythm shooter who lacked confidence in his shot when push came to shove.

Okogie would have the same issue. TJ wouldn't. IDK about Bazley.

My guess is that when pressed, in a must-win game, TJ will start, and our starters (aside from maybe Paul) will barely leave the court.

As for buyouts, we need a scoring PG. CP3 ran out of gas at the end of both of our last playoff runs. Payne and Shamet can be good, but they can't be depended upon. Neither can Okogie. I'm not comfortable playing Saben Lee at all in the playoffs.

I can see an argument for prioritizing PF. Saric proved valuable this season, and Landale hasn't been able to shoot since the preseason for whatever reason. If Bazley can't contribute, we're very thin at the 4, with essentially KD, small forwards and Wainwright manning the position. I'm just hoping Bazley proves valuable, because we could really use someone exactly like him.


The reason I'd probably start Craig is for the defense and rebounding help...not the offense, ball handling, etc. TJ has (or had) become a better defender. I don't mind him but Craig is still a better 3 pt shooter. He will be open and he should shoot it. If he misses it, fine, but I'm guessing if wide open he hits it at a pretty good rate like he's done most of the year. I didn't like Q. I'm not a huge Craig fan...I didn't really want to trade for him when everyone wanted him or think he gave us 80% of Mikal for a fraction of the cost or stuff like that people said, but he's been pretty active offensive rebounding and just being really active in there and defensively. I don't think offense will be our problem whatsoever. He probably won't shoot it a ton because KD can shoot over anyone and Book will take guys 1 on 1. Paul will get open on the midrange if he gets back to that. Ayton will be in there. Craig will probably only shoot like 5 times a game and take 2 or 3 3s.
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Post#1354 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:16 pm

I wonder how the Nets will integrate the new guys. They could have like 4 new starters tomorrow. I guess at least one comes off the bench, or maybe 2. They probably still start Claxton and Cam Thomas.
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Post#1355 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:18 pm

lonea wrote:
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lonea wrote:Don't see why some of you are so obsessed with draft picks.

You can have tons of draft picks like OKC and just end up being a farm team for other NBA teams.

Shai is gonna want out of OKC and guess what... they will get more draft picks from him. Keeping draft picks are pointless.


First lets talk about what a draft pick is. it is chance to get that lucky player who might one day become a star. Lebron. Magic and Jordan. Realistically what is draft pick is a means to get a player who can fill a need for a controlled salary and a chance to keep that player for years.


Yes, only make sense if you are a bottom of the barrel team for YEARS like what happened with New Orleans, Cleveland...

and then you hope the draft year you have the top pick have good players in the pool available...

and then you hope you win the draft lottery...

So... is draft picks really worth all that?

Look what happened with Wiseman... hell, what about Anthony Bennet :lol:


Depends on scouting. Giannis was in the teens. Jokic in the 40s, Siakam late 20s, Draymond Green 2nd round. Mitchell and Booker 13th....our picks in 27 and 29, who knows where they will be. Nash was somewhere between 13 and 15. Majerle fairly late. Finley 21 I think. Amare and Marion around 9 or 10.

I think sometimes high picks people go for raw athletic 1 and done guys like Josh Jackson.

Also, regarding OKC...the first time they had the draft picks they got KD, Westbrook and Harden in 3 years. They are only a few games back of the playoffs right now.

They also were just in the playoffs as the 5 seed in 19-20 so it's not like they've been rebuilding forever. They traded Paul for us and had two rebuilding years. This is their 3rd but they are good enough to be in the mix and are missing one of their highest picks in Chet Holmgren. Shai will be there for awhile. He just signed a max..this is his first year on it.
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Post#1356 » by darmani » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:20 pm

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A little youth doesn't hurt.

He's like a sane Marquese Chriss. I kinda liked Chriss during his rookie year in Phoenix.

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Post#1357 » by lonea » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:48 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Shai will be there for awhile. He just signed a max..this is his first year on it.


Signing a contract have very little meaning in today's NBA.

Just look at KD :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1359 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:04 pm

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This would suck if true! Jackson would be great here! And I'd definitely hate seeing Denver get stronger too. Where's our strong interest in Jackson considering Payne's injuries, inconsistencies, and overall lack of reliability? IF Denver gets Jackson We need to AGGRESSIVELY be "all in" on Westbrick and Wall! We desperately need more solid guard/ ballhandling and scoring depth. We also need another strong lockdown 3 & D wing or POA lockdown defensive guard.

GUARDS
- Wall.
- Westbrook.
- Dozier (POA defender).
- Kris Dunn (POA defender).
- Jared Butler.
- Shaquille Harrison.
- Emanuelle Mudiay.
- Jacob Gilyard (Think Jose Alverado -PEST!!!).
- Facundo Campazzo.
- RJ Nembhard.
-Dejon Jarreau (POA defender).
- Marcus Garrett (POA defender).

WINGS
-Justin Holiday.
- James Johnson.
- Andre Roberson.
- Abdel Nader.
- Gabe Brown.
- Robert Woodward.
- Mo Harkless.
- Josh Jackson. ** I know! I know! But here me out on this one........................lol. Maybe just maybe in a defense only capacity??? :lol:
- Aaron Henry.
- Tyler Bey.
- Nate Hinton.
- Feron Hunt.
- Justin Lewis.
- Cameron Mcgriff.
- Trevor Ariza.
- Romeo Weems.
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Post#1360 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:06 pm

I expect Craig to start, would be intrigued by Okogie but we probably shouldn't leave Damien Lee out of the conversation. With the way he's shot it this year he's probably the best option for punishing teams for doubling.

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