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MorbidHEAT wrote:eddieheatfan wrote:weird that riley/spo didnt do a presser with love. in past times they would have done soAirP. wrote:
They still might. We don't play until Friday.
dean456 wrote:
Find it interesting that as soon as All Star break finishes, these interviews with Lillard and Chris Haynes (who's been Lillard's guy in the media for a while now) come out and these two conversations are what is released on his twitter.
One talking about the conversation with Garnett telling him that once KG left Minny to go to Boston he was happier and didn't realize what he was missing.
Then the second was that no one from Portland told him about the trade that was going down with moving Gary Payton Jr for Kevin Knox.
On top of this Portland also traded Josh Hart to NYK for Reddish and a 1st at the deadline.
Wonder if this Lillard dropping crumbs to justify his eventual move out of Portland.
dean456 wrote:dean456 wrote:
Find it interesting that as soon as All Star break finishes, these interviews with Lillard and Chris Haynes (who's been Lillard's guy in the media for a while now) come out and these two conversations are what is released on his twitter.
One talking about the conversation with Garnett telling him that once KG left Minny to go to Boston he was happier and didn't realize what he was missing.
Then the second was that no one from Portland told him about the trade that was going down with moving Gary Payton Jr for Kevin Knox.
On top of this Portland also traded Josh Hart to NYK for Reddish and a 1st at the deadline.
Wonder if this Lillard dropping crumbs to justify his eventual move out of Portland.
To add to this there were rumors for what feels like the last 3 seasons of Love joining Lillard in Portland. We've never really been linked to Love until this season. Wonder if he diverted to coming here because Riley been doing some old fashioned tampering to get Lillard here.
MartyConlonJr wrote:dean456 wrote:dean456 wrote:
Find it interesting that as soon as All Star break finishes, these interviews with Lillard and Chris Haynes (who's been Lillard's guy in the media for a while now) come out and these two conversations are what is released on his twitter.
One talking about the conversation with Garnett telling him that once KG left Minny to go to Boston he was happier and didn't realize what he was missing.
Then the second was that no one from Portland told him about the trade that was going down with moving Gary Payton Jr for Kevin Knox.
On top of this Portland also traded Josh Hart to NYK for Reddish and a 1st at the deadline.
Wonder if this Lillard dropping crumbs to justify his eventual move out of Portland.
To add to this there were rumors for what feels like the last 3 seasons of Love joining Lillard in Portland. We've never really been linked to Love until this season. Wonder if he diverted to coming here because Riley been doing some old fashioned tampering to get Lillard here.
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IceColdCubano wrote:MartyConlonJr wrote:dean456 wrote:
To add to this there were rumors for what feels like the last 3 seasons of Love joining Lillard in Portland. We've never really been linked to Love until this season. Wonder if he diverted to coming here because Riley been doing some old fashioned tampering to get Lillard here.
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Lillard can stay in Portland we don't want him here. He is exiting his prime entering the tailend of his career. Nah, he had his chances stay loyal to the very end, don't change it now when your losing your edge as a top tier player.
What is the enfatuation with this team and wanting to get star players in their 30's. Go for the young up comers in their mid to late 20's. Oh thats right we cant they cost too much, and we don't have the asset capital to make those moves. Also those guys arent going into free agency either their traded by their teams. Nevermind go ahead a get the soon to be 33 year old Lillard it will cost less and well get 2-3 year of semi contention.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:MartyConlonJr wrote:
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Lillard can stay in Portland we don't want him here. He is exiting his prime entering the tailend of his career. Nah, he had his chances stay loyal to the very end, don't change it now when your losing your edge as a top tier player.
What is the enfatuation with this team and wanting to get star players in their 30's. Go for the young up comers in their mid to late 20's. Oh thats right we cant they cost too much, and we don't have the asset capital to make those moves. Also those guys arent going into free agency either their traded by their teams. Nevermind go ahead a get the soon to be 33 year old Lillard it will cost less and well get 2-3 year of semi contention.
Being traded effects literally nothing brother
MartyConlonJr wrote:dean456 wrote:dean456 wrote:
Find it interesting that as soon as All Star break finishes, these interviews with Lillard and Chris Haynes (who's been Lillard's guy in the media for a while now) come out and these two conversations are what is released on his twitter.
One talking about the conversation with Garnett telling him that once KG left Minny to go to Boston he was happier and didn't realize what he was missing.
Then the second was that no one from Portland told him about the trade that was going down with moving Gary Payton Jr for Kevin Knox.
On top of this Portland also traded Josh Hart to NYK for Reddish and a 1st at the deadline.
Wonder if this Lillard dropping crumbs to justify his eventual move out of Portland.
To add to this there were rumors for what feels like the last 3 seasons of Love joining Lillard in Portland. We've never really been linked to Love until this season. Wonder if he diverted to coming here because Riley been doing some old fashioned tampering to get Lillard here.
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IceColdCubano wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:Lillard can stay in Portland we don't want him here. He is exiting his prime entering the tailend of his career. Nah, he had his chances stay loyal to the very end, don't change it now when your losing your edge as a top tier player.
What is the enfatuation with this team and wanting to get star players in their 30's. Go for the young up comers in their mid to late 20's. Oh thats right we cant they cost too much, and we don't have the asset capital to make those moves. Also those guys arent going into free agency either their traded by their teams. Nevermind go ahead a get the soon to be 33 year old Lillard it will cost less and well get 2-3 year of semi contention.
Being traded effects literally nothing brother
Not understanding what your saying, you keep posting the same thing over and over and it still doesn't make sense. What is the point?
If the team does a sign and trade to your team of choice when your a free agent yes, that does not mean literally nothing in fact it helps keeping the bird rights for a player because that player is already a free agent and holds all the cards. If your still under contract then yes it does have an affect, the team can send you to whomever has the better assets, as we have been seeing if you want to go to a destination of choice that destination must possess the asset capital to get the team compensation in return. There are also teams willing to give compensation up regardless of commitment on an extension, which makes the market that much harder to figure out. Just because Lillard wants to come here doesn't mean Portland has to send him here.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Chalm Downs wrote:his nickname is boywonder ffs
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Being traded effects literally nothing brother
Not understanding what your saying, you keep posting the same thing over and over and it still doesn't make sense. What is the point?
If the team does a sign and trade to your team of choice when your a free agent yes, that does not mean literally nothing in fact it helps keeping the bird rights for a player because that player is already a free agent and holds all the cards. If your still under contract then yes it does have an affect, the team can send you to whomever has the better assets, as we have been seeing if you want to go to a destination of choice that destination must possess the asset capital to get the team compensation in return. There are also teams willing to give compensation up regardless of commitment on an extension, which makes the market that much harder to figure out. Just because Lillard wants to come here doesn't mean Portland has to send him here.
You said those young guys aren’t going to go into free agency because they’ll be traded. It’s the 2nd time you’ve said it and it’s wrong.
And yes as for Dame, if Dame tells Portland he wants Miami and no one else you better guarantee they’re sending him here.
Lennyzinho wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:Not understanding what your saying, you keep posting the same thing over and over and it still doesn't make sense. What is the point?
If the team does a sign and trade to your team of choice when your a free agent yes, that does not mean literally nothing in fact it helps keeping the bird rights for a player because that player is already a free agent and holds all the cards. If your still under contract then yes it does have an affect, the team can send you to whomever has the better assets, as we have been seeing if you want to go to a destination of choice that destination must possess the asset capital to get the team compensation in return. There are also teams willing to give compensation up regardless of commitment on an extension, which makes the market that much harder to figure out. Just because Lillard wants to come here doesn't mean Portland has to send him here.
You said those young guys aren’t going to go into free agency because they’ll be traded. It’s the 2nd time you’ve said it and it’s wrong.
And yes as for Dame, if Dame tells Portland he wants Miami and no one else you better guarantee they’re sending him here.
ICC is right in the sense that if Dame asks out, Portland can send him anywhere. A S&T the player has more power, because he's a FA. So it's a win for the player (gets more money) and the team (gets at least some assets) who facilitates the deal.
Back to Dame under 2 more years of control, teams won't be very excited to send a ton of assets for Dame when they know it'll be a two year rental and he might not report to the team or create locker room problems and bolt the second he's able to. A team would only get Dame at his age if they feel he's the last piece to contend, like Miami.
Curious to see what the asking price would be. I can definitely see a 3 team trade involving Herro to that 3rd team (that 3rd team sending assets to Portland) and Duncan to Portland. And we also send some future FRPs.
The thing is, if Love plays well and we want to keep him. And we want to keep Gabe as Lillard's backup and Strus behind Dipo/Jimmy and ofc keeping Dipo. We would need to send out Lowry, Duncan and Herro in trades. Maybe they all go out in the same deal... I think Herro Lowry makes most sense. We got over the tax a little and then at deadline we either stay a tax team for a year or move duncan or wait to move him the following year. It's all definitely possible.
Lillard / Gabe
Strus / Dipo / Rookie?
Jimmy / Strus / Duncan
Love / Jovic / Haywood
Bam / Yurt / Zeller
Something along those lines. (no clue if the rookie we draft is gone in trade or if Jovic or both - should ask for a SRP coming back)
oreon wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Spoiler:
Imagine if he tried more than 30 games a season
These numbers are meh, certainly not good enough for all NBA. People tweet about whatever these days. They are identical to last season but it feels like Butler has had a worse season. Butler is a post season player so expect his production to go up significantly in playoffs, if it doesn't then we need to start getting concerned.
But it doesn't help seeding wise when one your star player is getting paid like ALL NBA but doesn't produce like one. For 50 mil a year Butler gotta do more in regular season
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|Player |year|pos|ts% |pts |ast |reb |stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|Net Rating|
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|Nikola Jokić |2023|C |0.703|24.7|10.1|11.5|1.3|0.7|3.5|135 |109 |26 |
|Kawhi Leonard |2016|SF |0.616|21.2|2.6 |6.8 |1.8|1 |1.5|121 |96 |25 |
|Kevin Durant |2017|PF |0.651|25.1|4.8 |8.3 |1.1|1.6|2.2|125 |101 |24 |
|LeBron James |2013|PF |0.64 |26.8|7.3 |8 |1.7|0.9|3 |125 |101 |24 |
|LeBron James |2009|SF |0.591|28.4|7.2 |7.6 |1.7|1.1|3 |122 |99 |23 |
|Chris Paul |2008|PG |0.576|21.1|11.6|4 |2.7|0.1|2.5|125 |103 |22 |
|Giannis Antetokounmpo|2019|PF |0.644|27.7|5.9 |12.5|1.3|1.5|3.7|121 |99 |22 |
|Stephen Curry |2016|PG |0.669|30.1|6.7 |5.4 |2.1|0.2|3.3|125 |103 |22 |
|Anthony Davis |2015|PF |0.591|24.4|2.2 |10.2|1.5|2.9|1.4|122 |100 |22 |
|Kevin Durant |2013|SF |0.647|28.1|4.6 |7.9 |1.4|1.3|3.5|122 |100 |22 |
|LeBron James |2012|SF |0.605|27.1|6.2 |7.9 |1.9|0.8|3.4|118 |97 |21 |
|Dirk Nowitzki |2007|PF |0.605|24.6|3.4 |8.9 |0.7|0.8|2.1|123 |102 |21 |
|Nikola Jokić |2021|C |0.647|26.4|8.3 |10.8|1.3|0.7|3.1|130 |109 |21 |
|Stephen Curry |2015|PG |0.638|23.8|7.7 |4.3 |2 |0.2|3.1|122 |101 |21 |
|Chris Paul |2009|PG |0.599|22.8|11 |5.5 |2.8|0.1|3 |124 |103 |21 |
|Nikola Jokić |2022|C |0.661|27.1|7.9 |13.8|1.5|0.9|3.8|126 |105 |21 |
|Dirk Nowitzki |2006|PF |0.589|26.6|2.8 |9 |0.7|1 |1.9|123 |103 |20 |
|David Robinson |1998|C |0.581|21.6|2.7 |10.6|0.9|2.6|2.8|114 |94 |20 |
|Shaquille ONeal |2000|C |0.578|29.7|3.8 |13.6|0.5|3 |2.8|115 |95 |20 |
|Kevin Garnett |2004|PF |0.547|24.2|5 |13.9|1.5|2.2|2.6|112 |92 |20 |
|Amare Stoudemire |2008|C |0.656|25.2|1.5 |9.1 |0.8|2.1|2.2|124 |104 |20 |
|Jimmy Butler |2023|SF |0.613|21.7|5.1 |6 |2 |0.4|1.7|129 |109 |20 |
|Karl-Anthony Towns |2018|C |0.646|21.3|2.4 |12.3|0.8|1.4|1.9|127 |107 |20 |
|Michael Jordan |1997|SG |0.567|29.6|4.3 |5.9 |1.7|0.5|2 |121 |102 |19 |
|Norman Powell |2022|SG |0.682|21.4|2.8 |2.8 |0.4|0.8|1.4|132 |113 |19 |
|Kevin Durant |2014|SF |0.635|32 |5.5 |7.4 |1.3|0.7|3.5|123 |104 |19 |
|Dirk Nowitzki |2003|PF |0.581|25.1|3 |9.9 |1.4|1 |1.9|117 |98 |19 |
|Jimmy Butler |2021|SF |0.607|21.5|7.1 |6.9 |2.1|0.3|2.1|127 |108 |19 |
|LeBron James |2010|SF |0.604|29.7|8.6 |7.3 |1.6|1 |3.4|121 |102 |19 |
|Dwight Howard |2011|C |0.616|22.9|1.4 |14.1|1.4|2.4|3.6|113 |94 |19 |
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