Breaking news! Suns sign Ish Wainright

[sunskerr]

Question: With the singing of Ish , we lost the right to sing another player?
It would be amazing to see Derick Rose to the Valley.

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Nashidis!! You were around years ago right?

[SteveNashidis]

Question: With the singing of Ish , we lost the right to sing another player?
It would be amazing to see Derick Rose to the Valley.

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Nashidis!! You were around years ago right?

I always read the realgm forum and keep the Greek phoenix suns community alive . I had lost the account settings codes but....
The Papagiannis saga is here again

Weakest player right now is Shamet (?) . Too much injuries this year but he is too valuable when he is healthy.
I believe that a veteran PG is a top priority right now but I understand that ish Wainwright give us the defensive size against dynamic players with good low post offense plus corner "PJ Tucker" threes.

Happy to see you guys

[lilfishi22]

It's obvious the weakest and least problematic to move on from (contractually) is Jock but the biggest problem is that Jock represents 1 of the 3 centres on our team and letting him go for a guard just makes us even smaller. So you almost need to swap Jock with another big if you get rid of Jock. As for Shamet, his contract is the only thing keeping him from the chopping block. He's fully guaranteed this year and the next.

[MrMiyagi]

Question: With the singing of Ish , we lost the right to sing another player?
It would be amazing to see Derick Rose to the Valley.

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Correct ... Suns would need to waive the weakest link to sign Rose. Who is that?

Well, we do have a guy on the roster who hasn't suited up for us all season: KD.

[bigfoot]

It's obvious the weakest and least problematic to move on from (contractually) is Jock but the biggest problem is that Jock represents 1 of the 3 centres on our team and letting him go for a guard just makes us even smaller. So you almost need to swap Jock with another big if you get rid of Jock. As for Shamet, his contract is the only thing keeping him from the chopping block. He's fully guaranteed this year and the next.

It is interesting that people think Jock is that bad. Somehow he has earned his spot in the rotation over Biz. Looking at a variety of advanced stats, Landale is usually in the upper ranks of the entire team. Pretty good defensively and better offensively than Biz.

[lilfishi22]

It's obvious the weakest and least problematic to move on from (contractually) is Jock but the biggest problem is that Jock represents 1 of the 3 centres on our team and letting him go for a guard just makes us even smaller. So you almost need to swap Jock with another big if you get rid of Jock. As for Shamet, his contract is the only thing keeping him from the chopping block. He's fully guaranteed this year and the next.

It is interesting that people think Jock is that bad. Somehow he has earned his spot in the rotation over Biz. Looking at a variety of advanced stats, Landale is usually in the upper ranks of the entire team. Pretty good defensively and better offensively than Biz.

I've been thinking about this and I think the primary reason we're giving Jock Biz's minutes is so he can get used to playing more consistent minutes in case of tight game situations where you don't want a hack-a-Biz scenario. One guy is a career 80% FT shooter while the other is a 56% FT shooter and this season shooting a career low 31%.

The other reasons is that they are comparable rebounders although Jock is a better offensive rebounder, Jock is a little more efficient overall (surprisingly), Jock gets to the line more and has some shooting abilities. Although Biz is a better defender overall and a much better shot blocker.

From a net rating stand point, Jock is the better player. My worry is the lack of experience. He's a 2nd year player with no playoff experience whereas Biz has been around the block (mostly on bad teams) but does have decent playoff experience (20gm with Toronto). Like the advance stats support Jock behind ahead of Biz in the rotation but honestly, I don't really trust Jock being the first big off the bench

[bigfoot]

It's obvious the weakest and least problematic to move on from (contractually) is Jock but the biggest problem is that Jock represents 1 of the 3 centres on our team and letting him go for a guard just makes us even smaller. So you almost need to swap Jock with another big if you get rid of Jock. As for Shamet, his contract is the only thing keeping him from the chopping block. He's fully guaranteed this year and the next.

It is interesting that people think Jock is that bad. Somehow he has earned his spot in the rotation over Biz. Looking at a variety of advanced stats, Landale is usually in the upper ranks of the entire team. Pretty good defensively and better offensively than Biz.

I've been thinking about this and I think the primary reason we're giving Jock Biz's minutes is so he can get used to playing more consistent minutes in case of tight game situations where you don't want a hack-a-Biz scenario. One guy is a career 80% FT shooter while the other is a 56% FT shooter and this season shooting a career low 31%.

The other reasons is that they are comparable rebounders although Jock is a better offensive rebounder, Jock is a little more efficient overall (surprisingly), Jock gets to the line more and has some shooting abilities. Although Biz is a better defender overall and a much better shot blocker.

From a net rating stand point, Jock is the better player. My worry is the lack of experience. He's a 2nd year player with no playoff experience whereas Biz has been around the block (mostly on bad teams) but does have decent playoff experience (20gm with Toronto). Like the advance stats support Jock behind ahead of Biz in the rotation but honestly, I don't really trust Jock being the first big off the bench

He is 27 and has two years of NBA experience. He also has three years of international experience with playoff games and an NBL Grand Final MVP under his belt. He played a decent role in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and won a bronze medal. Finally, he played four years of college ball and went to the NCAA tourney and 3 NIT tourneys. He's got plenty of experience.

[lilfishi22]

It is interesting that people think Jock is that bad. Somehow he has earned his spot in the rotation over Biz. Looking at a variety of advanced stats, Landale is usually in the upper ranks of the entire team. Pretty good defensively and better offensively than Biz.

I've been thinking about this and I think the primary reason we're giving Jock Biz's minutes is so he can get used to playing more consistent minutes in case of tight game situations where you don't want a hack-a-Biz scenario. One guy is a career 80% FT shooter while the other is a 56% FT shooter and this season shooting a career low 31%.

The other reasons is that they are comparable rebounders although Jock is a better offensive rebounder, Jock is a little more efficient overall (surprisingly), Jock gets to the line more and has some shooting abilities. Although Biz is a better defender overall and a much better shot blocker.

From a net rating stand point, Jock is the better player. My worry is the lack of experience. He's a 2nd year player with no playoff experience whereas Biz has been around the block (mostly on bad teams) but does have decent playoff experience (20gm with Toronto). Like the advance stats support Jock behind ahead of Biz in the rotation but honestly, I don't really trust Jock being the first big off the bench

He is 27 and has two years of NBA experience. He also has three years of international experience with playoff games and an NBL Grand Final MVP under his belt. He played a decent role in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and won a bronze medal. Finally, he played four years of college ball and went to the NCAA tourney and 3 NIT tourneys. He's got plenty of experience.

Talking specifically about playoff experience here. Given he is looking likely the first big off the bench, that's a real worry for me.

As a fellow Aussie, I'm always going to support a countrymen but he is untested in the NBA playoffs.

[bigfoot]

I've been thinking about this and I think the primary reason we're giving Jock Biz's minutes is so he can get used to playing more consistent minutes in case of tight game situations where you don't want a hack-a-Biz scenario. One guy is a career 80% FT shooter while the other is a 56% FT shooter and this season shooting a career low 31%.

The other reasons is that they are comparable rebounders although Jock is a better offensive rebounder, Jock is a little more efficient overall (surprisingly), Jock gets to the line more and has some shooting abilities. Although Biz is a better defender overall and a much better shot blocker.

From a net rating stand point, Jock is the better player. My worry is the lack of experience. He's a 2nd year player with no playoff experience whereas Biz has been around the block (mostly on bad teams) but does have decent playoff experience (20gm with Toronto). Like the advance stats support Jock behind ahead of Biz in the rotation but honestly, I don't really trust Jock being the first big off the bench

He is 27 and has two years of NBA experience. He also has three years of international experience with playoff games and an NBL Grand Final MVP under his belt. He played a decent role in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and won a bronze medal. Finally, he played four years of college ball and went to the NCAA tourney and 3 NIT tourneys. He's got plenty of experience.

Talking specifically about playoff experience here. Given he is looking likely the first big off the bench, that's a real worry for me.

As a fellow Aussie, I'm always going to support a countrymen but he is untested in the NBA playoffs.

Booker, Ayton, Bridges, and Johnson did okay in their first go around as untested players in the NBA playoffs. I would be more worried if Jock was 18 or 19 with the deer in the headlights look. That's just not the case at 27. Honestly, the next 20 games are going to have quite a few that have that playoff-intensity feel to them. Around 14 of the 20 are against in-the-mix teams. That's plenty of experience right there.

[bigfoot]

Ish definitely answered the call in the 4th quarter against the Mavs. Between Ish, Okogie, and Craig we have some decent defensive wings.

[spanishninja]

Warriors lose Grizz lose. keep working.

[sashaturiaf]

Ish definitely answered the call in the 4th quarter against the Mavs. Between Ish, Okogie, and Craig we have some decent defensive wings.

I like these guys, they're physical and play hard but it really feels like they're the exact same player. Ideally you'd play one of them at a time in proper lineups. Okogie is likely the starter and then Craig or Ish will sub in for him based on who has the hotter hand, other guy is injury insurance.

It's not ideal roster construction but this is roster making on the fly, the KD trade changed the timeline of the Suns instantaneously.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I've always been a little higher on Ish and have really rooted for him to develop because I really like having a big body reserve. I feel like it throws teams off a little because they don't face guys like that every game. Some games get physical and you need your own bruiser to match.

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[Saberestar]

He can't miss from the corner. His team option for next year is looking better by the minute.

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[Saberestar]

I've always been a little higher on Ish and have really rooted for him to develop because I really like having a big body reserve. I feel like it throws teams off a little because they don't face guys like that every game. Some games get physical and you need your own bruiser to match.

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And on top of that he is a guy that makes everyone around him comfortable and accepts his small role cheering on the bench. Every team needs at least one guy like that.

When his name is called he usually spaces the floor and plays solid defense, Monty knows what he offers to the team.

And after losing (potentially) some chemistry off the court after the trade it is nice to have an easy going and familiar face on the locker room. That's why I always wanted him occupying our final roster spot over washed players like Love, Barton or Ibaka.

[lilfishi22]

It irks me when people always question why certain players are even on the court. Like you can't just play a 7-8 man rotation of your favourite players. You need to play different players in those last two rotation spots and that's why Ish gets the opportunity to hit 4 threes in that "must win" game against Dallas. You have to expect some mistakes, some poor decisions or just poor performances sometimes when you're talking about the 9th, 10th or 11th man in the rotation. Yet some people expect starter quality minutes in those spots lol

I can love that Ish had a great game out there without expecting the exact same the next game or the next 3 games. His role is largely off-court but he's also good enough to play short minutes from game to game.

[bigfoot]

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