General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Off-Season

[Schad]

Disagree, they have no idea what they're talking about. It's fine to criticize broadcasters who own the team and similar structures.

Please, tell me where he's wrong, Mr. Works on Corporate Restructuring. Using Forbes' numbers, MLB franchises have seen an enormous spike in valuation in recent years: they have outpaced the growth of the market as a whole by a sizable margin, approaching a trebling of market valuation in a decade. Yet MLB is talking grimly about the need for a salary cap, largely because the leagues that have them are among the few growth has outpaced MLB's.

The players understandably believe that this is nonsense...because it is nonsense. That it is nonsense is reinforced every time a team sells, because a market in which the Marlins (a team that struggles to get anyone through the turnstiles) sells for $1.3 billion is not one in which the primary concern is that the owners aren't making enough money.

[ItsDanger]

Disagree, they have no idea what they're talking about. It's fine to criticize broadcasters who own the team and similar structures.

Please, tell me where he's wrong, Mr. Works on Corporate Restructuring. Using Forbes' numbers, MLB franchises have seen an enormous spike in valuation in recent years: they have outpaced the growth of the market as a whole by a sizable margin, approaching a trebling of market valuation in a decade. Yet MLB is talking grimly about the need for a salary cap, largely because the leagues that have them are among the few growth has outpaced MLB's.

The players understandably believe that this is nonsense...because it is nonsense. That it is nonsense is reinforced every time a team sells, because a market in which the Marlins (a team that struggles to get anyone through the turnstiles) sells for $1.3 billion is not one in which the primary concern is that the owners aren't making enough money.

There's a massive world out there beyond realgm. Baseball isn't that big a business. Sorry if this is earth shattering news.

[Schad]

There's a massive world out there beyond realgm. Baseball isn't that big a business. Sorry if this is earth shattering news.

This is as meaningless a statement as one could conjure up. Baseball players shouldn't comment on the $50b industry in which they work, because they lack the frame of reference someone like you, a poster on an internet forum who HaS wOrKeD oN cOrPoRaTe ReStRuCtUrEs has. Right.

[ItsDanger]

There's a massive world out there beyond realgm. Baseball isn't that big a business. Sorry if this is earth shattering news.

This is as meaningless a statement as one could conjure up. Baseball players shouldn't comment on the $50b industry in which they work, because they lack the frame of reference someone like you, a poster on an internet forum who HaS wOrKeD oN cOrPoRaTe ReStRuCtUrEs has. Right.

Likewise. And these entities are private for the most part. You, like the players, expect everyone else to operate without a return on investment. Sorry, if you don't like salary, work elsewhere. Like everyone else.

[Parataxis]

There's a massive world out there beyond realgm. Baseball isn't that big a business. Sorry if this is earth shattering news.

This is as meaningless a statement as one could conjure up. Baseball players shouldn't comment on the $50b industry in which they work, because they lack the frame of reference someone like you, a poster on an internet forum who HaS wOrKeD oN cOrPoRaTe ReStRuCtUrEs has. Right.

Likewise. And these entities are private for the most part. You, like the players, expect everyone else to operate without a return on investment. Sorry, if you don't like salary, work elsewhere. Like everyone else.

Literally nobody is expecting 'everyone else to operate without a return on investment'

Indeed, folks have shown that baseball team owners are making a fantastic ROE on the increasing value of their assets.

[ItsDanger]

This is as meaningless a statement as one could conjure up. Baseball players shouldn't comment on the $50b industry in which they work, because they lack the frame of reference someone like you, a poster on an internet forum who HaS wOrKeD oN cOrPoRaTe ReStRuCtUrEs has. Right.

Likewise. And these entities are private for the most part. You, like the players, expect everyone else to operate without a return on investment. Sorry, if you don't like salary, work elsewhere. Like everyone else.

Literally nobody is expecting 'everyone else to operate without a return on investment'

Indeed, folks have shown that baseball team owners are making a fantastic ROE on the increasing value of their assets.

When you ask for a raise, tell your boss that. See the response.

The whole question is extremely complex.

[Schad]

And yet you offer absolutely nothing on that complexity, merely throwing out a squid cloud of "you wouldn't understand, bro" after your initial scorching take that baseball players are unqualified to discuss the finances of baseball got challenged.

[Brinbe]

Big move for the FO

Read on Twitter

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[Parataxis]

Likewise. And these entities are private for the most part. You, like the players, expect everyone else to operate without a return on investment. Sorry, if you don't like salary, work elsewhere. Like everyone else.

Literally nobody is expecting 'everyone else to operate without a return on investment'

Indeed, folks have shown that baseball team owners are making a fantastic ROE on the increasing value of their assets.

When you ask for a raise, tell your boss that. See the response.

The whole question is extremely complex.

I don't have to tell my boss that, because when I ask for a raise we talk about my experience and my value to the team, not having them accuse me of expecting them 'to operate without a return on investment'.

Why would that even be a discussion when I'm having an annual review?

[WuTang_CMB]

Jays locked and loaded on and off the field

[polo007]

Read on Twitter

[Aventador]

Likewise. And these entities are private for the most part. You, like the players, expect everyone else to operate without a return on investment. Sorry, if you don't like salary, work elsewhere. Like everyone else.

Literally nobody is expecting 'everyone else to operate without a return on investment'

Indeed, folks have shown that baseball team owners are making a fantastic ROE on the increasing value of their assets.

When you ask for a raise, tell your boss that. See the response.

The whole question is extremely complex.

Hello - in addition to your corporate restructure role, I trust that in your past life, you must have worked as a model at Abercrombie.

[ItsDanger]

Literally nobody is expecting 'everyone else to operate without a return on investment'

Indeed, folks have shown that baseball team owners are making a fantastic ROE on the increasing value of their assets.

When you ask for a raise, tell your boss that. See the response.

The whole question is extremely complex.

Hello - in addition to your corporate restructure role, I trust that in your past life, you must have worked as a model at Abercrombie.

I would trust an executive assistant's opinion on this matter over a typical athlete. Literally, half a million people in Canada are more qualified. Get a reality check.

[Aventador]

When you ask for a raise, tell your boss that. See the response.

The whole question is extremely complex.

Hello - in addition to your corporate restructure role, I trust that in your past life, you must have worked as a model at Abercrombie.

I would trust an executive assistant's opinion on this matter over a typical athlete. Literally, half a million people in Canada are more qualified. Get a reality check.

Beyond your "my girlfriend goes to another school" arguments, you have offered no substantive reasons as to why his comment is incorrect. The fact you can find half a million persons who are more qualified does not change his messaging. I, too, have conducted numerous corporate restructurings in my lifetime. Your answer is surprising because my interpretation of your comment is you don't understand the purpose of the corporate restructurings if your position is Chris' comment has no basis.

That is all. Have fun!

[ItsDanger]

Hello - in addition to your corporate restructure role, I trust that in your past life, you must have worked as a model at Abercrombie.

I would trust an executive assistant's opinion on this matter over a typical athlete. Literally, half a million people in Canada are more qualified. Get a reality check.

Beyond your "my girlfriend goes to another school" arguments, you have offered no substantive reasons as to why his comment is incorrect. The fact you can find half a million persons who are more qualified does not change his messaging. I, too, have conducted numerous corporate restructurings in my lifetime. Your answer is surprising because my interpretation of your comment is you don't understand the purpose of the corporate restructurings if your position is Chris' comment has no basis.

That is all. Have fun!

Doubtful. I'm experienced enough to know its impossible to speculate from the outside. But your responses are typical on the internet these days.

[Fairview4Life]

Beyond your "my girlfriend goes to another school" arguments,

Lol

[Schad]

It's too bad there weren't available indicators as to whether baseball teams were struggling financially, such as the explosion in franchise values and the increased presence of private equity firms within ownership groups. Oh well, it's just impossible to know I guess.

[polo007]

As Blue Jays enjoy hard-earned competitive window, long-term challenges loom - Sportsnet.ca

DUNEDIN, Fla. – To fully appreciate how well the Toronto Blue Jays are positioned right now, all it takes is a glance back at franchise history.

Since emerging from six years of expansion misery with 11 consecutive winning seasons, the best they’ve done are the three-year bursts of better-than-.500-play from 1998-2000, 2006-2008, 2014-2016 and their current run, which started in 2020 and is only picking up steam.

Four of the six largest contracts ever handed out by the Blue Jays have come in the last three years. This year, their projected player payroll will take them into the Competitive Balance Tax, or CBT, for the first time. The ongoing renovation of Rogers Centre, particularly the second phase next off-season, is part of the revenue growth that underpins the increased spending.

There is ambition in pursuit of new organizational heights.

At the same time, this is also where things get trickiest for the Blue Jays.

The finishing touches in building a World Series winner are always hardest. More guaranteed money on the books means less flexibility each off-season. And the current competitive window could easily close prematurely if the potential roster churn coming in the years ahead isn’t managed right.

Consider the following free-agency eligibilities:

• After 2023 – Matt Chapman, Hyun Jin Ryu, Kevin Kiermaier, Brandon Belt and Anthony Bass,

• After 2024 – Danny Jansen, Yusei Kikuchi, Adam Cimber and Trevor Richards.

• After 2025 – Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Chris Bassitt, Jordan Romano, Tim Mayza and Erik Swanson.

• After 2026 – George Springer, Kevin Gausman, Jose Berrios (opt out), Daulton Varsho, Santiago Espinal and Alejandro Kirk.

Combine that with the recent usage of the farm system to augment the club – dealing three of the past five first-round picks since the 2021 trade deadline (Austin Martin for Berrios, Gunnar Hoglund for Chapman and Jordan Groshans for Bass and Zach Pop) plus top prospect Gabriel Moreno (for Varsho) in December – and there could be a cliff to avoid in the distance.

Now, the Blue Jays can simply play out their window, backfill as needed and use the upcoming flexibility to adapt based on what their post-2025 situation dictates. Things change fast, good and bad. Still, without retaining one of, if not both, Guerrero and Bichette, their most important young talents, pushing out their run over the long-term is hard to imagine.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

As Blue Jays enjoy hard-earned competitive window, long-term challenges loom - Sportsnet.ca

DUNEDIN, Fla. – To fully appreciate how well the Toronto Blue Jays are positioned right now, all it takes is a glance back at franchise history.

Since emerging from six years of expansion misery with 11 consecutive winning seasons, the best they’ve done are the three-year bursts of better-than-.500-play from 1998-2000, 2006-2008, 2014-2016 and their current run, which started in 2020 and is only picking up steam.

Four of the six largest contracts ever handed out by the Blue Jays have come in the last three years. This year, their projected player payroll will take them into the Competitive Balance Tax, or CBT, for the first time. The ongoing renovation of Rogers Centre, particularly the second phase next off-season, is part of the revenue growth that underpins the increased spending.

There is ambition in pursuit of new organizational heights.

At the same time, this is also where things get trickiest for the Blue Jays.

The finishing touches in building a World Series winner are always hardest. More guaranteed money on the books means less flexibility each off-season. And the current competitive window could easily close prematurely if the potential roster churn coming in the years ahead isn’t managed right.

Consider the following free-agency eligibilities:

• After 2023 – Matt Chapman, Hyun Jin Ryu, Kevin Kiermaier, Brandon Belt and Anthony Bass,

• After 2024 – Danny Jansen, Yusei Kikuchi, Adam Cimber and Trevor Richards.

• After 2025 – Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Chris Bassitt, Jordan Romano, Tim Mayza and Erik Swanson.

• After 2026 – George Springer, Kevin Gausman, Jose Berrios (opt out), Daulton Varsho, Santiago Espinal and Alejandro Kirk.

Combine that with the recent usage of the farm system to augment the club – dealing three of the past five first-round picks since the 2021 trade deadline (Austin Martin for Berrios, Gunnar Hoglund for Chapman and Jordan Groshans for Bass and Zach Pop) plus top prospect Gabriel Moreno (for Varsho) in December – and there could be a cliff to avoid in the distance.

Now, the Blue Jays can simply play out their window, backfill as needed and use the upcoming flexibility to adapt based on what their post-2025 situation dictates. Things change fast, good and bad. Still, without retaining one of, if not both, Guerrero and Bichette, their most important young talents, pushing out their run over the long-term is hard to imagine.

this is the viscious cycle of sports

[Brinbe]

lol as if any one of us should ever feel sorry for **** Rogers. Of all the ownership groups in baseball that could afford the future outlay in this team, it's them.



The perception of teams trying to win every deal and becoming financial economists has warped sports fans' minds that just rewards cheap-ass owners.

"Nobody cares about whether I make money or not," Middleton told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "If my legacy is that I didn't lose any money owning a baseball team on an annual operating basis, that's a pretty sad legacy. It's about putting trophies in the cases.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/phillies-owner-john-middleton-says-he-doesnt-care-how-high-payroll-goes-i-just-want-to-win/amp/

The Phillies' owner is completely right. Giving two **** about contract/salary efficiency is stupid and the sooner fans get out of that mindset, especially in baseball, the better. It makes a smidgen more sense in basketball or hockey due to the cap situations but MLSE should/could easily afford paying tax money.