Game #63: Clippers @ NUGGETS Sunday 2/26 7 PM—ESPN

[esqtvd]

The return of Pandemic P/Covid 13

and if only Mann had played 50 minutes tonight he'd have had 14 points, 6 rebs, 6 assists and 8 fouls

[esqtvd]

Also, Frank should be getting plenty of blame here too. He hired Lue, he got fleeced for PG and then gave him that absurd contract, he traded for Morris, he traded Kennard for EJ (made no sense at the time, looks even worse now). Just like Lue, he's one of Doc's guys. We will never win anything until we fully move on from the Doc era.

Is this "Doc" in the room with you, right now?

always

[wakelaunch1]

Plumlee was great tonight. He really battles. I think he should start with Zu coming off the Bench.

Morris is the worst player on this team by far. He brings nothing. His defense/rebounding/standing around is a killer.

PG cant be the primary ball handler ever. He is a turnover/ball hog. Needs to play off the ball and keep him moving constantly. Needs to step up his defense. He needs to be that 3 and D guy.

Russ
Batum
Kawhi
PG
Plumlee

bench
Mann
Gordon
Powell
Covington
Zubac

[clipperlover]

Plumlee was great tonight. He really battles. I think he should start with Zu coming off the Bench.

Morris is the worst player on this team by far. He brings nothing. His defense/rebounding/standing around is a killer.

PG cant be the primary ball handler ever. He is a turnover/ball hog. Needs to play off the ball and keep him moving constantly. Needs to step up his defense. He needs to be that 3 and D guy.

Russ
Batum
Kawhi
PG
Plumlee

bench
Mann
Gordon
Powell
Covington
Zubac

Plumlee was terrible at the start. He was so bad, Lue started Batum in the 2nd half. Plumlee got some mijo back beating up on bench players.

He isn't taking Zu's spot.

[nickhx2]

guys, i really recommend using these games to learn something about ourselves, just like ty lue.

[Scoundreldays]

Plumlee was great tonight. He really battles. I think he should start with Zu coming off the Bench.

Morris is the worst player on this team by far. He brings nothing. His defense/rebounding/standing around is a killer.

PG cant be the primary ball handler ever. He is a turnover/ball hog. Needs to play off the ball and keep him moving constantly. Needs to step up his defense. He needs to be that 3 and D guy.

Russ
Batum
Kawhi
PG
Plumlee

bench
Mann
Gordon
Powell
Covington
Zubac

Plumlee was terrible at the start. He was so bad, Lue started Batum in the 2nd half. Plumlee got some mijo back beating up on bench players.

He isn't taking Zu's spot.

I agree Russ already pushes the pace with the starters. At times plumblee will push the pace for the second unit when he rebounds which I think is great for them.

The bigger issues are PG continuing to be a ball handler and Morris having extended minutes. He should be playing 10 to 15 minutes less at least.

[Clemenza]

Since everybody loves to bring up former players and what should've been.. Hell we should've drafted Michael Porter Jr. right after SGA bad back and all. I'm usually a Ty Lue supporter but man he's seems to be sinking fast. Of course the Morris situation goes without saying but he should've had Russ out there with PG so he could handle the ball in OT. EJ and Morris instead of Mann and maybe Batum. Well at least we all can see clearly how important Zu is to this team. If we don't improve when he returns then its time to plan for the offseason

[esqtvd]

Since everybody loves to bring up former players and what should've been.. Hell we should've drafted Michael Porter Jr. right after SGA bad back and all. I'm usually a Ty Lue supporter but man he's seems to be sinking fast. Of course the Morris situation goes without saying but he should've had Russ out there with PG so he could handle the ball in OT. EJ and Morris instead of Mann and maybe Batum. Well at least we all can see clearly how important Zu is to this team. If we don't improve when he returns then its time to plan for the offseason

Zu is our rock. Plumlee not as good as we hoped.

[Captain Ballmer]

The return of Pandemic P/Covid 13

and if only Mann had played 50 minutes tonight he'd have had 14 points, 6 rebs, 6 assists and 8 fouls

This is from your man.

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[LookToShoot]

Why does Ty Lue hate Mann?

because this I guess

LAST 15 GAMES/per 100 possessions:

1 Kawhi +8.2
2 Marcus Morris +6.4
3 Plumlee +6.3
4 Kennard +4.5
5 Reggie Jackson +4.3
6 PG +4.0
7 Zu +3.3
8 Covington +3.0
8 Westbrook +3.0
10 Batum +2.1
11 Powell +1.6
12 Bones +0.5
13 Terance Mann +0.0
14 Eric Gordon minus-6.0

Clippers were winning with Mann in the starting lineup. They don't have a scoring problem, they don't need another facilitator either. They should've picked up another big, not Westbrook.

[madmaxmedia]

Why does Ty Lue hate Mann?

because this I guess

LAST 15 GAMES/per 100 possessions:

1 Kawhi +8.2
2 Marcus Morris +6.4
3 Plumlee +6.3
4 Kennard +4.5
5 Reggie Jackson +4.3
6 PG +4.0
7 Zu +3.3
8 Covington +3.0
8 Westbrook +3.0
10 Batum +2.1
11 Powell +1.6
12 Bones +0.5
13 Terance Mann +0.0
14 Eric Gordon minus-6.0

Clippers were winning with Mann in the starting lineup. They don't have a scoring problem, they don't need another facilitator either. They should've picked up another big, not Westbrook.

I’m not in total disagreement with your post and at the very least Mann should play more, but if he was so positively impactful shouldn’t it be represented in those plus minus numbers?

I’m still trying to wrap my head around it.

[PeteyPablo]

I do not want to just attack the Clippers on this thread. There are things to give praise about and also areas of opportunity.

Praise :

Clippers came back twice from major deficit and took a lead late in the 4th on the road against a Nuggets team that they have not been able to win a series against.

-We saw Bones Hyland play , he had 10 points in 15 minutes and had a +8
- Terance Mann had 7 points , 3 rebounds, 3 assists in 25 minutes + 5
- Kawhi is very good
- Batum looked pretty good and fluid


NOT praise :

-I have noticed these top tier teams do no take possessions off. They are locked in and execute.

- Marcus Morris should play 10-15 minutes unless he has hot shooting or we are playing bottom tier teams. He was lost on defense twice in Over Time when Denver hit back to back threes. Maybe he does try but he does not seem to have the speed or agility.

- Game management / rotations are not good in real time from Ty Lue.

- Paul George is not Luka or Jokic , he needs to handle ball less. His turnovers hurt the Clippers and help the opposing teams score easy points. Clippers should look to trade him this summer. He does not have the laser focus or mamba mentality needed to to be elite year round.

[clipperlover]

Since everybody loves to bring up former players and what should've been.. Hell we should've drafted Michael Porter Jr. right after SGA bad back and all. I'm usually a Ty Lue supporter but man he's seems to be sinking fast. Of course the Morris situation goes without saying but he should've had Russ out there with PG so he could handle the ball in OT. EJ and Morris instead of Mann and maybe Batum. Well at least we all can see clearly how important Zu is to this team. If we don't improve when he returns then its time to plan for the offseason

Zu is our rock. Plumlee not as good as we hoped.

Plumlee is fine. He is much better than any backup big we have used this season. Last night is exactly the reason we picked him up. Unfortuantely, Zu being out wasn't part of the plan. If we had Zu on the court checking Jokic last night, then we wouldn't have seen Kawhi, PG and Batum having to take that responsibility so much. Impacts the defense tremendously when our best perimeter defenders have to keep fighting Jokic in the post. Plumlee can't be in there the entire game. I commend Westbrook for the times he took the task of guarding Jokic. He did an admirable job. I don't recall, Morris taking on that task.

[clipperlover]

I do not want to just attack the Clippers on this thread. There are things to give praise about and also areas of opportunity.

Praise :

Clippers came back twice from major deficit and took a lead late in the 4th on the road against a Nuggets team that they have not been able to win a series against.

-We saw Bones Hyland play , he had 10 points in 15 minutes and had a +8
- Terance Mann had 7 points , 3 rebounds, 3 assists in 25 minutes + 5
- Kawhi is very good
- Batum looked pretty good and fluid


NOT praise :

-I have noticed these top tier teams do no take possessions off. They are locked in and execute.

- Marcus Morris should play 10-15 minutes unless he has hot shooting or we are playing bottom tier teams. He was lost on defense twice in Over Time when Denver hit back to back threes. Maybe he does try but he does not seem to have the speed or agility.

- Game management / rotations are not good in real time from Ty Lue.

- Paul George is not Luka or Jokic , he needs to handle ball less. His turnovers hurt the Clippers and help the opposing teams score easy points. Clippers should look to trade him this summer. He does not have the laser focus or mamba mentality needed to to be elite year round.

Bones Hyland put up some points against bench players, but was selfish with his play and still got worked over defensively. The guy is going to be firmly planted on the bench in the playoffs unless we need Jamal Crawford like shooting.

Batum not getting put back in the game was criminal. Morris came in for Mann with about 5 minutes to go in the 4th when it should have been Batum. On the Porter 3 off the broken play, Morris left the entire team out to dry. PG was battling his ass off trying to box out Jokic and Morris was adding no value on the court. Then, he points to Plumlee to close out as he is standing in No Man's Land while PG is trying to get up off the ground.

In the NOT praise department, the lazy inbound passing by Batum and PG HAS to stop. Just unnecessary. Teams are going to start picking us up full court regularly when they see us being lazy.

[wakelaunch1]

Morris is killing this team. He Needs to be a 10 min guy. We need more defense/rebounding from that position.

Morris looks the part but just doesnt show interest in defense. His shooting is below average so generally he is not great to have on the court.

Batum/Mann/Covington should be getting his minutes.

[MartinToVaught]

Morris is killing this team. He Needs to be a 10 min guy.

Even 10 minutes of Morris is more than enough to lose us a game. He needs to be a 0 minute guy. No valid reason to ever play him over anyone else on the roster.

[Scoundreldays]

Honestly at this rate it is going to take Morris getting injured for Ty Lue not to use him

[madmaxmedia]

Two years ago Marcus had a prime year, shooting 47.3% from both 2 and 3 (both pretty remarkable.) I don't know if Ty just keeps hoping Marcus returns to that, but it was clearly an outlier year.

[esqtvd]

because this I guess

Clippers were winning with Mann in the starting lineup. They don't have a scoring problem, they don't need another facilitator either. They should've picked up another big, not Westbrook.

I’m not in total disagreement with your post and at the very least Mann should play more, but if he was so positively impactful shouldn’t it be represented in those plus minus numbers?

I’m still trying to wrap my head around it.

Me too. I'm trying to see what Ty is seeing. He doesn't have rose-colored Mann-glasses, that's for sure. Morris is somehow plus+3.8 over our last 10, 2nd only behind Kawhi and way above Paul George. Marcus is completely mediocre but he is not "killing us out there." The problem is elsewhere--both PG and Mann are minus-0.9. And St. Nico is minus-2.3.

Yes, there are other factors, but the scoreboard doesn't lie.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

[LookToShoot]

because this I guess

Clippers were winning with Mann in the starting lineup. They don't have a scoring problem, they don't need another facilitator either. They should've picked up another big, not Westbrook.

I’m not in total disagreement with your post and at the very least Mann should play more, but if he was so positively impactful shouldn’t it be represented in those plus minus numbers?

I’m still trying to wrap my head around it.

Mann was +5 and Westbrook -12. Their start to the game was poor. Maybe we'll get an accurate picture when Zubac returns to the lineup, but the 0-2 start is not a coincidence.