Clips 12-10 in the Russ Era

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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#41 » by fteru6uhre54ew » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:49 pm

mastermixer wrote:I think the only way to effectively play Westbrook on a winning team would be like how NFL teams run RBs into the ground that are in contract years.

You gotta play him heavy minutes in quarters 1-3 and bench him the 4th. Let him run the show when Kawhi and PG are resting.

But Westbrook would never accept that role

And you throw the game in some of those quarters. Like yesterday in the 1st.

Look everyone should know what Westbrook does to your team. He is a player who has the ball in his hands all the time because he can't play in other way. And he is a "PG" which is worst so at the end he has a lot of time the ball when he plays.

Ok then what he does with the ball in his hands. Lose balls that destroy the rythm of the team because he is a player that force things and take constantly bad decisions he has a pace playing like crazy man all his career the only way he created things all his career it's for his athletic ability losing his defender which is gone.

Take shots that even he knows that they are not going in because he has the touch of a rock and the confidence destroyed and he never has been a good shooter at least when he was young in Okc he had a mid range shot that open for him score more easy well that's gone too. And having the touch of a rock he miss a ton of layups when he force the plays when he try to score inside

Try to score in the post or inside a 6'3 guard without his athletic ability and without any touch or footwork something that can make your life easier to score inside

At the end what do you have on offense a point guard who can't shoot, can't play without the ball, he is the personification of ineficency as a scorer because he can't shoot or score inside and with the ball in his hands having a high volume of ball in his hands and all of this does that he take bad decisions because he is a bad player reading the game too and he is the point guard of your team

How do you fit this on offense. If you can't take the ball out of his hands because he is a liability the teams directly float him like crazy and they throw 2 on 1 versus the best player because they know that him in the three point line and with space outside have a high chance of end his team without score. It's facilitate the defense of your rival or even worst having a big chance to score in transition. If it's impossible to have chemistry and good offensive flow what you does. Suffer. It's like if you have a giant rock in front of your car you can move the rock with your car pushing it?.



All of this on offense.

On defense

How do you adjust a defense with him. The Clippers fans know that Marcus Morris is horrible on defense. Well imagine him being 6'3 that's Westbrook.

On ball he can't stop even a cone only maybe sometimes luckily being physical in the post when a bigger guy try to score over him in the post.

Off the ball he is literally a disaster the only he does is watch the ball he lose his man all the time. He read the things on defense 3 seconds after the play a lot moments he is thinking losing his concentration and not on the game or the play. So all of this end having an horrible comunication on defense with his teammates and the defense is a thing of the five guys not only one. He literally destroy the chemistry if you try to create some defensive chemistry with him.

This is what you have with him in your team.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#42 » by Harry Garris » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:07 pm

xb3at band1tx wrote:I actually agreed with Lue there down the stretch. Russ is such a double edged sword giving him more minutes and responsibility will make it so he's prone to more mistakes. Plus he kills crunch time spacing.

But Morris was so awful and Gordon looked washed I can see them talk themselves into giving him a bigger role now.


Of course Ty Lue will give him a bigger role. Every coach falls for Westbrook's "effort level" and gives him way too much offensive responsibility. Plus we know that Paul George and Kawhi are advocating for Russ to play and with the Clippers organization their stars pretty much run the show.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#43 » by Harry Garris » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:12 pm

Upperclass wrote:People won't realize it for a long time.. but Lue isn't a good coach. He's slow to react and never pushes strategy on other teams, only slowly reacts to what other teams are doing. When Clips get eliminated in the second round.. I think he's out after next season.


He's had great moments in the past but it's been very up and down this season. Like you don't have to be an NBA coach to realize that Terance Mann is pretty clearly the Clippers 4th best player and yet Ty Lue has just decided to bench him and only play him limited minutes for reasons that remain unclear. Also his obsession with keeping Marcus Morris on the court all the time in crunch time when Marcus is killing them with terrible shots, lazy defense, and poor decision making.

I guess it's fine to throw away regular season games from the Clippers standpoint, they've decided that playoff seeding doesn't matter. But if Ty Lue keeps managing the team like this in the playoffs they're going to lose in the second round, and it's just yet another wasted year of Kawhi and Paul George's increasingly limited primes.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#44 » by cam24thomas » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:22 pm

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Upperclass wrote:People won't realize it for a long time.. but Lue isn't a good coach. He's slow to react and never pushes strategy on other teams, only slowly reacts to what other teams are doing. When Clips get eliminated in the second round.. I think he's out after next season.


He's had great moments in the past but it's been very up and down this season. Like you don't have to be an NBA coach to realize that Terance Mann is pretty clearly the Clippers 4th best player and yet Ty Lue has just decided to bench him and only play him limited minutes for reasons that remain unclear. Also his obsession with keeping Marcus Morris on the court all the time in crunch time when Marcus is killing them with terrible shots, lazy defense, and poor decision making.

I guess it's fine to throw away regular season games from the Clippers standpoint, they've decided that playoff seeding doesn't matter. But if Ty Lue keeps managing the team like this in the playoffs they're going to lose in the second round, and it's just yet another wasted year of Kawhi and Paul George's increasingly limited primes.

I don't understand why so many teams don't value the seedings, when its very unlikely that you'll win a Game 7 on the road :o
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#45 » by 81Zees » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:33 pm

Russ is a good fit for the clippers. He has his limitations but they are a much better team with him. He also has better shooters around him which wasn't the case with the LAL.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#46 » by Edrees » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:09 pm

He's good for their offense but their defense is cooked with him there. Too bad defense is more important for a team that wants to win playoffs.
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Post#47 » by Yeggo Poleggo » Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:02 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:I know, I know. It's early. Russ could melt down at any time.

And yes, the team is 0-2 with him (though they could easily be 2-0).

That said, the Clippers getting him -- and Bones Hyland -- is looking very good. And it's early, in a good way.

Lue is still figuring out how to use the new pieces. In the first Russ game (loss to Kings), Russ finished the game and Bones didn't play.

In tonight's loss at Denver, Russ did not finish the game and Bones played.

Here's how these guys help the team:


* RUSS IS A REAL POINT GUARD -- something the Clippers have lacked for years now. He can pass, etc.

* RUSS LETS KAWHI AND PG REST MORE -- keeps them fresher for later in games

* RUSS LETS KAWHI AND PG FOCUS ON SCORING -- Kawhi can now go Full Super Scoring Mode & not worry about playmaking

* RUSS INCREASES THE TEMPO OF THE CLIPS -- without Russ, the team gets stagnant and bogs down. He helps this.

* RUSS BRINGS ENERGY -- 5 steals against the Nuggets. He's intense, and it rubs off

* BONES IS A BLOWTORCH -- he can score at will. If he gets hot, he can win a game by himself


There are plenty of downsides for each guy, but taken together they bring a lot to the table and they can help the Clips a lot, IMO.

To put it another way:

Russ + Bones + Gordon + Plumlee > Wall + Jackson + Kennard

...at least for what the Clippers need. Now and moving forward.

The Clippers are better, and more balanced, now after the trades and the Russ pickup. They still aren't perfect (really need a true backup point guard and could use a third legit big man), but they're a lot closer to being a complete team than they were.


You really typed all this out for a Russell Westbrook guestimation/hope+prayer thread.

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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#48 » by Revived » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:39 am

Edrees wrote:He's good for their offense but their defense is cooked with him there. Too bad defense is more important for a team that wants to win playoffs.

Their best two players (Kawhi & George) have been kinda inconsistent in these games as well.
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Post#49 » by HotRocks34 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:42 am

Russ (14/7/10) looked great tonight in the loss to the Wolves. His playmaking is a new element for the Clips.

Rough night for Kawhi. His legs weren't there tonight.

Good game for the Wolves, who look revived after the DLo-for-Conley trade.

Clips now 0-3 in the Russ Era.
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Post#50 » by loveandbeer » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:44 am

Ah, brings me back to the early days when WB joined the Lakers - filled with hope and optimism.

Don't worry LAC fans you will see soon enough.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#51 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:45 am

HotRocks34 wrote:Russ (14/7/10) looked great tonight in the loss to the Wolves. His playmaking is a new element for the Clips.

Rough night for Kawhi. His legs weren't there tonight.

Good game for the Wolves, who look revived after the DLo-for-Conley trade.

Clips now 0-3 in the Russ Era.

what are you talking about?
Wolves lost 3 straight before this game and the losses were against Charlotte, Wizards and Curry-less Warriors.
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Post#52 » by SpreeS » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:51 am

:lol:
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Post#53 » by nzahir » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:52 am

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Russ (14/7/10) looked great tonight in the loss to the Wolves. His playmaking is a new element for the Clips.

Rough night for Kawhi. His legs weren't there tonight.

Good game for the Wolves, who look revived after the DLo-for-Conley trade.

Clips now 0-3 in the Russ Era.

what are you talking about?
Wolves lost 3 straight before this game and the losses were against Charlotte, Wizards and Curry-less Warriors.

:lol: :lol:

Russ fans need to lie to themselves

Clips fans, Russ' numbers have actually been pretty decent, anything bad in particular?

Defense seemed awful in the Kings game from some plays I saw and of course he will have turnovers, but are defenders leaving him open?

Lucky for you guys that you have a good shooting team, we had the worst shooting team and were an awful fit

Still dont trust this guy to close big games vs smart teams though, he will **** up
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Post#54 » by HotRocks34 » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:55 am

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Russ (14/7/10) looked great tonight in the loss to the Wolves. His playmaking is a new element for the Clips.

Rough night for Kawhi. His legs weren't there tonight.

Good game for the Wolves, who look revived after the DLo-for-Conley trade.

Clips now 0-3 in the Russ Era.

what are you talking about?
Wolves lost 3 straight before this game and the losses were against Charlotte, Wizards and Curry-less Warriors.


I'm talking about the road win over Dallas, which I watched.

Minny is a lot more stable with Conley playing rather than DLo. Better chemistry.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-3, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#55 » by Revived » Wed Mar 1, 2023 6:14 am

There needs to be a Clippers vs Mavs game soon, one of these two teams can use a W for morale.
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Post#56 » by OxAndFox » Wed Mar 1, 2023 6:27 am

Russ is just so bad on D I don't know if he can make up for it. Against the Kings he hit some nice buckets and looked okay on the offensive end, but there were a couple of defensive efforts that were like, just give me the ball back, I'm feeling it. I'm not sure how RW at this stage in his career hasn't been told (Ham being a defensive coach SURELY did?) he needs to be a defender more than an offensive player otherwise your sitting. I'm not talking about All NBA defensive team. Just keep a guy in front of you for a couple of seconds.
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Post#57 » by nzahir » Wed Mar 1, 2023 6:53 am

OxAndFox wrote:Russ is just so bad on D I don't know if he can make up for it. Against the Kings he hit some nice buckets and looked okay on the offensive end, but there were a couple of defensive efforts that were like, just give me the ball back, I'm feeling it. I'm not sure how RW at this stage in his career hasn't been told (Ham being a defensive coach SURELY did?) he needs to be a defender more than an offensive player otherwise your sitting. I'm not talking about All NBA defensive team. Just keep a guy in front of you for a couple of seconds.

He is just not focused and lazy

Swipes for the balll and gets blown by a lot

Luka cooked him like every time on Christmas iirc

Against you guys in the 2OT game he lost Monk completely on the shot where Monk tied it

Imagine him vs a team with guards who can shoot of the move like GS or Den

Suns have Booker and Cp3 will manipulate him as well in pick and rolls
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-3, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#58 » by iggymcfrack » Wed Mar 1, 2023 6:53 am

Revived wrote:There needs to be a Clippers vs Mavs game soon, one of these two teams can use a W for morale.


Don't worry, they should have a really big game coming up! In the play-in tournament!!!
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Post#59 » by milkii » Wed Mar 1, 2023 6:56 am

I'm not surprised.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-3, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#60 » by WillyJakkz » Wed Mar 1, 2023 7:29 am

SpreeS wrote::lol:


Took the laugh right outta my mouth :lol:

He keeps helping teams steal defeat from the jaws of victory :lol: :lol: :lol:

Must see TV.

I'm not sure what people are talking about when saying he played well.

This guy and that fast break play where he stumbled down and turned over the ball had me cracking up.

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