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2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes

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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#161 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:31 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Also 30 isn't *that* bad for a WR. Yeah it's on the downside but it is still close to the peak. Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs are both 29. DeVonte Adams is 30. Keenan Allen is 30.

It fills a gap this team desperately needs to fill. Half of Dak's INTs can be attributed to WRs not named Lamb. Not even trying to say anything about Dak with that, but it's clear that his WRs weren't doing him any favors this past season. Hopkins would give vet stability there.

The point I'm trying to make is that history shows that the cliff (drop off) for a receiver is around/after the age of 30. It's a steep decline for most guys in their early 30's.

So while D-Hop hasn't fallen off yet, it's likely to happen sooner rather than later. The PED thing is another massive red flag.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#162 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:35 pm

The biggest gap we have on this Team is the QB and Dak Prescott. As we approach another season, for the 4th year in a row, DAK IS NOT THE GUY. Its just amazing how some can't see it at this point after 7 years.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#163 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:56 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:The biggest gap we have on this Team is the QB and Dak Prescott. As we approach another season, for the 4th year in a row, DAK IS NOT THE GUY. Its just amazing how some can't see it at this point after 7 years.

Dang you're right, we need to trade for Mahomes.

Not sure why I didn't think of that all along.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#164 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:59 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:Also 30 isn't *that* bad for a WR. Yeah it's on the downside but it is still close to the peak. Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs are both 29. DeVonte Adams is 30. Keenan Allen is 30.

It fills a gap this team desperately needs to fill. Half of Dak's INTs can be attributed to WRs not named Lamb. Not even trying to say anything about Dak with that, but it's clear that his WRs weren't doing him any favors this past season. Hopkins would give vet stability there.

The point I'm trying to make is that history shows that the cliff (drop off) for a receiver is around/after the age of 30. It's a steep decline for most guys in their early 30's.

So while D-Hop hasn't fallen off yet, it's likely to happen sooner rather than later. The PED thing is another massive red flag.

I would look at him as basically a push for 2023 and that's it. Maybe 2024 if we got to the NFC Championship and lost or something. Enough for one last go.

He would also be a #2, so we only need a top-30 WR for that spot. I think Hopkins could be top-20 next year, with a surprise top-10 possible.

The PEDs don't really concern me, the injury stuff does though. That's why I don't want anything to do with OBJ.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#165 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:02 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:The biggest gap we have on this Team is the QB and Dak Prescott. As we approach another season, for the 4th year in a row, DAK IS NOT THE GUY. Its just amazing how some can't see it at this point after 7 years.

Dang you're right, we need to trade for Mahomes.

Not sure why I didn't think of that all along.

No. I just don't want to blow up the team for your boy. We are only a few players away on defense to be a legit kick azz defense moving forward for years to come. Just because your boy sucks you want to blow it all up by so we can blow it up in 2 years again just to bring in some injury prone, aging baggage that won't make a damn bit of difference in making your boy better. Jerry has you brainwashed.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#166 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:07 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:The biggest gap we have on this Team is the QB and Dak Prescott. As we approach another season, for the 4th year in a row, DAK IS NOT THE GUY. Its just amazing how some can't see it at this point after 7 years.

Dang you're right, we need to trade for Mahomes.

Not sure why I didn't think of that all along.

No. I just don't want to blow up the team for your boy. We are only a few players away on defense to be a legit kick azz defense moving forward for years to come. Just because your boy sucks you want to blow it all up by so we can blow it up in 2 years again just to bring in some aging baggage that won't make a damn bit of difference in making your boy better. Jerry has you brainwashed.

Huh? Once we start fishing for a QB to groom we are in rebuild mode no matter what.

The odds of us magically falling into a top-5 QB any time soon are slim to none so it isn't worth talking about.

Once McCarthy and Dak are gone it's "blown up". We are back to the years of searching for our guy.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#167 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:09 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:Dang you're right, we need to trade for Mahomes.

Not sure why I didn't think of that all along.

No. I just don't want to blow up the team for your boy. We are only a few players away on defense to be a legit kick azz defense moving forward for years to come. Just because your boy sucks you want to blow it all up by so we can blow it up in 2 years again just to bring in some aging baggage that won't make a damn bit of difference in making your boy better. Jerry has you brainwashed.

Huh? Once we start QB fishing for a QB to groom we are in rebuild mode no matter what.

The odds of us magically falling into a top-5 QB any time soon are slim to none so it isn't worth talking about.

Once McCarthy and Dak are gone it's "blown up". We are back to the years of searching for our guy.[/quote]
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#168 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:16 pm

You just do not live in reality. The odds of us winning a SB with Dak are probably 100x greater than us drafting a QB who is better and that person leading us to a ring within 5 years. No one who has a QB that is significantly better than Dak is going to trade that player.

The roster we have now will only be around during the Dak years. After that it's a new team with a new coach. BLOW UP. BOOM

We have to push now while we have a 12-5 team in place.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#169 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:39 pm

No need to push. This team is fairly young. Keep adding pieces and getting better where we need to. Finish the defense. In reality we already know how things are going to end next season so there is no need to be stupid and blow it all up at this point.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#170 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:57 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:No need to push. This team is fairly young. Keep adding pieces and getting better where we need to. Finish the defense. In reality we already know how things are going to end next season so there is no need to be stupid and blow it all up at this point.

Odds are we are going to waste away a lot of years searching for our next QB. That is not how it always goes, but that is how it usually goes.

We'll probably draft a QB in the later rounds as a backup QB, but it is unlikely he will be better than Dak within the time this defense can stay together. Grooming a QB usually takes time.

Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Tua, etc were all drafted top-10 and those teams are still waiting for a ring. And we are no where near a top-10 QB draft pick.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#171 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:06 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:No need to push. This team is fairly young. Keep adding pieces and getting better where we need to. Finish the defense. In reality we already know how things are going to end next season so there is no need to be stupid and blow it all up at this point.

Odds are we are going to waste away a lot of years searching for our next QB. That is not how it always goes, but that is how it usually goes.

We'll probably draft a QB in the later rounds as a backup QB, but it is unlikely he will be better than Dak within the time this defense can stay together. Grooming a QB usually takes time.

Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Tua, etc were all drafted top-10 and those teams are still waiting for a ring. And we are no where near a top-10 QB draft pick.

Highly doubt it. Your talking about QB of the Dallas Cowboys, America's Team. A lot of QB's would love to be the QB in Big-D and make a name for themselves. I can see a guy like Aaron Rodgers coming here to get one more crack at a ring while we are possibly grooming our next QB. After next year I can see many FA QB's that would kill to be the QB of the Cowboys.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#172 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:16 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Tua, etc were all drafted top-10 and those teams are still waiting for a ring. And we are no where near a top-10 QB draft pick.

One injury can change that. The Chiefs didn't have a top 10 pick either. But they traded up to take Mahomes.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#173 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:22 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Tua, etc were all drafted top-10 and those teams are still waiting for a ring. And we are no where near a top-10 QB draft pick.

One injury can change that. The Chiefs didn't have a top 10 pick either. But they traded up to take Mahomes.

Yeah but my point is even with a top-10 pick it is years in the making. Usually anyway. I know there are exceptions, like Mahomes.

If we trade Dak away right now for a top-10 pick then get a QB, we are still MOST LIKELY looking at 3-5 years before that player is better than Dak is right now, if ever. And at that point in time it is a new roster.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#174 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:28 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Tua, etc were all drafted top-10 and those teams are still waiting for a ring. And we are no where near a top-10 QB draft pick.

One injury can change that. The Chiefs didn't have a top 10 pick either. But they traded up to take Mahomes.

Yeah but my point is even with a top-10 pick it is years in the making. Usually anyway. I know there are exceptions, like Mahomes.

If we trade Dak away right now for a top-10 pick then get a QB, we are still MOST LIKELY looking at 3-5 years before that player is better than Dak is right now, if ever. And at that point in time it is a new roster.

You can always get a bridge QB for a year or two while your possibly grooming. In the mean time you keep building your team so when you hand your team over to a new QB who can win more than one playoff games in a row.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#175 » by Otis Driftwood » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:37 pm

Well, I have no idea how things are going to end next year. So I'm going to take the optimistic approach and say let's try to improve on both sides of the ball.
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Post#176 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:46 pm

What gets me is this defense is only 3 pieces away from being super elite. #2 our O-line is not as good as we all think. We need a couple pieces there as well and not for depth purposes only. The O-line was 26 in pass protection last season so its obvious to me we need more help there. Elliott is trash and you all know how I feel there, but I'm also very concerned with Pollard even though he is my boy. I don't know why and can't explain it, but the feeling he may not be the same back when he comes back, concerns me now. So adding a RB is also a must for me. Another reason why I don't want to give up a 2nd round pick on an aging, injury prone red flag WR over 30. And I still don't want OJB either.
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Post#177 » by Mr B » Fri Mar 3, 2023 10:02 pm

Any interest in Patrick Peterson if he’s let go by the Vikings? I read that he could be had for around $5M per season. He would be a veteran replacement for Anthony Brown.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#178 » by Mr B » Fri Mar 3, 2023 11:12 pm

Here is that Patrick Ramsey to the Cowboys rumor again.

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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#179 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Mar 6, 2023 4:36 am

Mr B wrote:Here is that Patrick Ramsey to the Cowboys rumor again.

Ramsey is a bad apple.

A few days ago here in the Hot Press, we discussed how some other team evaluators said they do not feel Los Angeles Rams cornerback Jalen Ramsey is worth a first-round pick. They stated a second-round pick would be more appropriate for Ramsey as a good starter, but a player who is on the decline and not the elite cover corner he used to be. The Rams have been shopping Ramsey, and sources with the team say the team is over Ramsey being in the locker room and want to be rid of him.

"Ramsey is a bad dude," said a Rams source. "He was a really bad teammate this past year, and didn't try once the losses started. He got a young defensive back coach fired, and it wasn't the guy's fault."

For years, Ramsey has been an outspoken player with a bold personality. Those issues led to a falling out with the Jacksonville Jaguars, which led to his trade to Los Angeles. Now, sources say they feel Ramsey has worn out his welcome with the Rams, which is why they are so aggressively trying to trade him.

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Rams-Want-to-be-Rid-of-Ramsey
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#180 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Mar 6, 2023 2:38 pm

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Mr B wrote:Here is that Patrick Ramsey to the Cowboys rumor again.

Ramsey is a bad apple.

A few days ago here in the Hot Press, we discussed how some other team evaluators said they do not feel Los Angeles Rams cornerback Jalen Ramsey is worth a first-round pick. They stated a second-round pick would be more appropriate for Ramsey as a good starter, but a player who is on the decline and not the elite cover corner he used to be. The Rams have been shopping Ramsey, and sources with the team say the team is over Ramsey being in the locker room and want to be rid of him.

"Ramsey is a bad dude," said a Rams source. "He was a really bad teammate this past year, and didn't try once the losses started. He got a young defensive back coach fired, and it wasn't the guy's fault."

For years, Ramsey has been an outspoken player with a bold personality. Those issues led to a falling out with the Jacksonville Jaguars, which led to his trade to Los Angeles. Now, sources say they feel Ramsey has worn out his welcome with the Rams, which is why they are so aggressively trying to trade him.

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Rams-Want-to-be-Rid-of-Ramsey

Feels like Another Roy Williams and Joey Galloway trade. This year's draft is extremely deep at Guard, Center and CB's. Price is too high for Ramsey and I don't want to mess with the chemistry we already have on that side of the ball. Dan Quinn is just 2 or 3 players away if we can hit on something in this year's draft.

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