Suns complain about Giannis FT attempts after hacking him all night. Footage included.

[Hitachi77]

Lots of strawmanning going on here btw. The issue brought off wasn’t that Giannis got more free throws than Booker. Of course he did. It’s the disparity. 24 to 3. It’s not 20-10 or 19-8, more believable disparities. Booker drives a ton, enough to say that only 3 FTs would be quite the anomaly.

What do you think the bucks game plan was last night?

I am guessing you are going to say play great defense without fouling. But that’s everyone’s game plan, except when bad free throw shooters are involved.

[SkyBill40]

Lol, you didn't answer. I asked where it was more likely. Now you're gaslighting.

Nah. Not even remotely. Nice tu quoque though.

A foul can occur ANYWHERE in the court. Does Giannis draw all of his fouls in the restricted area? No. So does that make those which are.called outside of that less legitimate?

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AGAIN, you are not answering the question. Where is contact more likely?

It's blatantly obvious you're avoiding the question. It's not lost on anyone.

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Go and read my edited post. The original was sent before I was finished.

And to your point, rather obviously contact will be made nearest the basket as the defense is trying hardest there to stop a closer attempt at their goal. You now have your answer to a completely rhetorical question. Feel better about yourself? Good vibes now? You need me to explain what rhetorical is for you or are we good?

Now go and answer MY question.

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[ReddoverKobe]

Lots of strawmanning going on here btw. The issue brought off wasn’t that Giannis got more free throws than Booker. Of course he did. It’s the disparity. 24 to 3. It’s not 20-10 or 19-8, more believable disparities. Booker drives a ton, enough to say that only 3 FTs would be quite the anomaly.

What do you think the bucks game plan was last night?

I am guessing you are going to say play great defense without fouling. But that’s everyone’s game plan, except when bad free throw shooters are involved.

No. Go google Booker's game last night and watch how the Bucks are playing him. He does have a few drives, but most of those are on Carter or Wes and with Lopez out of the game. Now could there be a foul in there, sure but that happens to everyone.

Now watch how they bucks play with Jrue on him and Lopez laying off and tell me what shots Booker is taking and how many times hes attacks the basket. There is a reason hes not getting ft's and its not the refs not calling fouls.

[ReddoverKobe]

Lol, you didn't answer. I asked where it was more likely. Now you're gaslighting.

Nah. Not even remotely. Nice tu quoque though.

A foul can occur ANYWHERE in the court. Does Giannis draw all of his fouls in the restricted area? No. So does that make those which are.called outside of that less legitimate?

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AGAIN, you are not answering the question. Where is contact more likely?

It's blatantly obvious you're avoiding the question. It's not lost on anyone.

No need to take that dude seriously. For all we know its Monty Williams account and he need to cry some more.

[SlovenianDragon]

The shoulder into the chest of the defensive player drives need to be stopped... Its not a basketball play...Its insane the NBA allows players like LeBron and Giannis to get away with it...

Straight up Giannis should have been ejected for one of those...dudes playing football out there.

[ReddoverKobe]

The shoulder into the chest of the defensive player drives need to be stopped... Its not a basketball play...Its insane the NBA allows players like LeBron and Giannis to get away with it...

Straight up Giannis should have been ejected for one of those...dudes playing football out there.

Ejected lol. This is hilarious now

[SkyBill40]

Nah. Not even remotely. Nice tu quoque though.

A foul can occur ANYWHERE in the court. Does Giannis draw all of his fouls in the restricted area? No. So does that make those which are.called outside of that less legitimate?

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AGAIN, you are not answering the question. Where is contact more likely?

It's blatantly obvious you're avoiding the question. It's not lost on anyone.

No need to take that dude seriously. For all we know its Monty Williams account and he need to cry some more.

Your post did make me laugh though, truth be told. Not in a humorous way but a sad one. For you. Logical fallacies are not what you want to be known for, but you're certainly off to a great start.

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[Ayt]

The shoulder into the chest of the defensive player drives need to be stopped... Its not a basketball play...Its insane the NBA allows players like LeBron and Giannis to get away with it...

Straight up Giannis should have been ejected for one of those...dudes playing football out there.

It wasn't even an offensive foul in this last game. Craig was beat and should have just let him go instead of trying to pick up a charge while so badly out of position. He bumped into Giannis from the side.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

It's F-ing ridiculous Booker didn't get more free throws....

[mademan]

People dont understand what guarding position is. This was the same problem when people were upset at Lebron bowling defenders over. Giannis is faster and more agile than the bigs guarding him and when he makes a quick move, theyre out of position. Get faster or get out of the way, cause thats a foul every time. I'd honestly argue he doesnt get enough calls as refs are human and dont want to send someone to the line 30 times in a single game

[mademan]

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That people think is a charge is the biggest problem. Ideally, you dont get bonus points for being weaker (tho thats not always the reality) and im glad the refs in this case called it to the book. Thats not legal guarding position. WTF do you think is gonna happen when your back trodding and giannis is coming full speed? Thats almost never a charge

[vital_signs]

That July '21 salt still stuck in the Suns wounds eh?

[Hitachi77]

What do you think the bucks game plan was last night?

I am guessing you are going to say play great defense without fouling. But that’s everyone’s game plan, except when bad free throw shooters are involved.

No. Go google Booker's game last night and watch how the Bucks are playing him. He does have a few drives, but most of those are on Carter or Wes and with Lopez out of the game. Now could there be a foul in there, sure but that happens to everyone.

Now watch how they bucks play with Jrue on him and Lopez laying off and tell me what shots Booker is taking and how many times hes attacks the basket. There is a reason hes not getting ft's and its not the refs not calling fouls.

Well I saw a lot of the game. Even with Jrue on him, they often screen off him, and he had a lot of transition drives as well.

In real time, on tv, it’s hard to see a lot of fouls of course. I only remember two not called on Booker, one that they slowed down, which was after a goaltend. I did see a few on Payne and Okogie that were not called, but again hard to tell for sure in real time.

I think it’s more likely than not that the Bucks got a significantly better whistle in the game, but it’s obviously hard to prove with a high degree of certainty without the entire game in slow motion.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

And people are only looking at the called fouls. Replayed Giannis's misses and there were 3 clear fouls not called: I think it was his last shot of the second, the first shot of the third and one minute left in the fourth.

I think objectively Giannis has 1 possible charge, 2 probably better no calls that are off set by three missed calls.....and then like 8 intentional fouls.

I remember Monty being a sore loser in the finals. Didn't he blame the refs after 1-2 of the games?

[garrick]

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That people think is a charge is the biggest problem. Ideally, you dont get bonus points for being weaker (tho thats not always the reality) and im glad the refs in this case called it to the book. Thats not legal guarding position. WTF do you think is gonna happen when your back trodding and giannis is coming full speed? Thats almost never a charge

So the defender needs to just let Giannis pass him by?

How exactly do you defend someone that big charging full speed at you? I've seen the exact same play being called a charge on players not named Giannis because they aren't former MVPs that won a championship.

If Shaq was still in the league he would even more damn near impossible to guard since he could just get downhill with a bit of steam and just plow through multiple defenders.

[mattg]

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That people think is a charge is the biggest problem. Ideally, you dont get bonus points for being weaker (tho thats not always the reality) and im glad the refs in this case called it to the book. Thats not legal guarding position. WTF do you think is gonna happen when your back trodding and giannis is coming full speed? Thats almost never a charge

So the defender needs to just let Giannis pass him by?

How exactly do you defend someone that big charging full speed at you? I've seen the exact same play being called a charge on players not named Giannis because they aren't former MVPs that won a championship.

If Shaq was still in the league he would even more damn near impossible to guard since he could just get downhill with a bit of steam and just plow through multiple defenders.

You get fully in front squared up to Giannis and make him literally run you over, not be caught out of position off to the side of the shoulder as Giannis is blowing by which is what Craig did in this play. Admittedly, in the open court that's almost impossible given his combination of stride length, ball handling, athleticism, and aggression. He's arguably the most unstoppable transition player ever so yeah, establishing legal guarding position on Giannis with a head of steam and one defender is nearly impossible.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Well then follow your own advice and give credit where credit is due. Giannis dragged his team to a 7 game series against the Eastern Conference Champion efficiency be damned. If I'm calling 21, 6, and 3 on that TS% crickets, you better believe I'm going to think a lot higher of the guy who's going for 34, 15, and 7.

I don't know how anyone could watch that Boston/Mke series and think that wasn't an exhausting slugfest in which both teams killed themselves independently of their first round matchup.

You keep moving goalposts. First you mention Jrue's lack of efficiency to show Giannis had no help but when I point out Giannis was inefficient as well you decide to post their full stats. Jrue actually averaged 21, 6 and 6 which is nice production for a 2nd option if you ignore efficiency which you keep doing for Giannis but not for Jrue. Jrue also had 44 assists and 14 TOs to Giannis' 50 assists and 36 TOs.

Yes, Giannis had to carry a huge load in that series but so did Butler when he faced the Celtics and he didn't have his efficiency fall off a cliff even though he had comparable, if not identical(lack of) help.

It's not a moved goalpost. If you're not looking at total volume relative to overall efficiency, you're doing it wrong. I shouldn't have to explain that but here we are. It's like saying a guy who scores 10 points at league average efficiency is just as effective or around as effective as the guy who scores 20 at the same percentage. It just doesn't work like that.

The Bucks, as a team had a TS% of 49.64% during the entirety of that series. That gives you an idea of the load he was actually carrying. Even the lauded Celtics offense was at around 56TS%.

Gotta admit I completely misread your first comment, I thought you were trying to say Giannis was still efficient in the playoffs last season despite having a small drop off due to lack of help.

That said I still think it's unfair to criticize Jrue for lack of efficiency while sweeping it aside when it comes to Giannis. Of course Giannis did way more, he is an MVP level player for a reason. I also don't think it's fair to put all the blame on underwhelming supporting cast when Butler's was similar and he still remained efficient even though he's not on Giannis' level nor is held to the same standards for that very reason.

[socal74]

The first one as many said should be a no call, but that was called multiple times in 2021 finals too. That's why Monty was talking with the refs from that point on asking them how is Ayton supposed to defend him.

How is Ayton suppose to defend Giannis? He can't. Either get someone else who can or scheme better. Monty's better than this

[socal74]

People that complain about FT drawn but don't show multiple evidences in the game are the worst. Number of FT means nothing, show where the bad calls are.

Also how many of those fouls are intentional because he's a terrible ft shooter? That total would be less if they didn't foul him on purpose at times.

[socal74]

I don’t understand: do people believe the league is trying to prop up the *Milwaukee* Bucks? Is that implication here?


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I think it actually is.

Exactly this. The last thing the league want to see in the Finals is the Bucks since they don't get the ratings.