Suns complain about Giannis FT attempts after hacking him all night. Footage included.

[Pachinko_]

People dont understand what guarding position is.

Οh we do, for sure we do. We just don't understand what the hell the NBA means by it.

[SlovenianDragon]

If you tried to go down to ur local courts and play like giannis you would get ur ass beat for dropping shoulders into dudes and running ppl over....

[DB23]

If you tried to go down to ur local courts and play like giannis you would get ur ass beat for dropping shoulders into dudes and running ppl over....

I don’t know what soft places you’ve played at but people play like that all the time.

Just not everyone is 7 foot, that agile and that strong.

[DB23]

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That people think is a charge is the biggest problem. Ideally, you dont get bonus points for being weaker (tho thats not always the reality) and im glad the refs in this case called it to the book. Thats not legal guarding position. WTF do you think is gonna happen when your back trodding and giannis is coming full speed? Thats almost never a charge

So the defender needs to just let Giannis pass him by?

How exactly do you defend someone that big charging full speed at you? I've seen the exact same play being called a charge on players not named Giannis because they aren't former MVPs that won a championship.

If Shaq was still in the league he would even more damn near impossible to guard since he could just get downhill with a bit of steam and just plow through multiple defenders.

Okogie is so far out of position, it’s a clear blocking foul.

Now if Giannis extends his arm or pushes off then fair enough but this call doesn’t look remotely close.

[edededtut]

It's not just Monty even Alex Caruso said on JJ's podcast that Giannis doesn't get called for offensive fouls. Now obviously Giannis does get charges called but there are a lot of non calls where he goes crashing into the defender and that is usually always called a charge.

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it's not. these days in the nba every time there is contact between defender who is moving and an offensive player with the ball, it's a foul on the defender, unless the offensive player uses his arm to push or his movement isn't towards the basket.

just because giannis is so much bigger and stronger than the defender who falls down doesn't change how the rule is consistently interpreted today.

it does make defending impossible and is bad for the game, but that's what the league seems to want.

[JayMKE]

Loser talk from the Suns is not surprising, they're always making excuses for why they couldn't get it done. Classic jump shooter team cry baby stuff. Defense in this league is bull but Giannis gets called for more offensive fouls and is hacked with no call more than anybody in the league, teams do it intentionally and a lot of time he's getting fouled 3+ times on the same play with all the hacking. If you can't face the defender, come to stop, square up, set your feet, its a block not a charge end of story. The defender may as well be 15 feet away because they're out of position just the same, being in proximity doesn't mean you're defending so yeah if you can't make a play then you make as well get out of the way or just accept giving up FTs. In no world can Alex Caruso or DeAndre Ayton check Giannis 1 on 1, that's just a fact. Keep in mind who is bitching.

[skones]

That said I still think it's unfair to criticize Jrue for lack of efficiency while sweeping it aside when it comes to Giannis. Of course Giannis did way more, he is an MVP level player for a reason. I also don't think it's fair to put all the blame on underwhelming supporting cast when Butler's was similar and he still remained efficient even though he's not on Giannis' level nor is held to the same standards for that very reason.

In the last two playoff campaigns Jrue has been on 40.6/30.3/71.4 and 37.9/31.6/83.9. He was worthless offensively against Brooklyn, Phoenix, and Boston. He deserves the criticism. It just gets swept under the rug because we won in '21.

[KdoubleDees23]

Suns are 100% right. The leeway Giannis gets from the referees has gotten to historically bad levels.

From the traveling to the fend offs to the hacking on defense and to the cheap shots on opponents, dude is governed by his own golden boy rule book that makes any unbiased fan sick.

Dude's good, there shouldn't be any need to bend the rules this badly to make him better.

Not even prime Bron got away with offensive fouls as much as Giannis. Mans doesn't even try to hide it anymore

Hate to say it a lot of these players use elbows, shoulders and make the first contact with the defenders. A lot of these should be offensive fouls but the refs these days give a handful of players the benefit all season

[enigmatics]

That ridiculous hop and carry the ball Giannis does when he first gets his burst towards the hoop is so freaking blatant. Been going on a long time and never gets called.

[CharityStripe34]

People dont understand what guarding position is. This was the same problem when people were upset at Lebron bowling defenders over. Giannis is faster and more agile than the bigs guarding him and when he makes a quick move, theyre out of position. Get faster or get out of the way, cause thats a foul every time. I'd honestly argue he doesnt get enough calls as refs are human and dont want to send someone to the line 30 times in a single game

Also, that basketball is a big&tall man's sport. Not surprising that the biggest, strongest and most physical athletes dominate it. Wilt, Shaq, LeBron, Giannis, etc. Or even if we go positionally, Magic and MJ made a living off physically dominating their position during their primes.

[ReddoverKobe]

That ridiculous hop and carry the ball Giannis does when he first gets his burst towards the hoop is so freaking blatant. Been going on a long time and never gets called.

Super unfair the Warriors are allowed to shoot threes against the suns as well. In fact, why do other teams get to even play five players against them?

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That people think is a charge is the biggest problem. Ideally, you dont get bonus points for being weaker (tho thats not always the reality) and im glad the refs in this case called it to the book. Thats not legal guarding position. WTF do you think is gonna happen when your back trodding and giannis is coming full speed? Thats almost never a charge

So the defender needs to just let Giannis pass him by?

How exactly do you defend someone that big charging full speed at you? I've seen the exact same play being called a charge on players not named Giannis because they aren't former MVPs that won a championship.

If Shaq was still in the league he would even more damn near impossible to guard since he could just get downhill with a bit of steam and just plow through multiple defenders.

Okogie is so far out of position, it’s a clear blocking foul.

Now if Giannis extends his arm or pushes off then fair enough but this call doesn’t look remotely close.

Not going to get into all the ridiculousness that is this thread.

But he not only dropped his shoulder but you can see his right arm also pushes the defender.

And if he was so far out of position how did he take the shoulder in his chest?.

This isn't the 80s, you don't have to be stopped and flat footed to take a charge any more.

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That people think is a charge is the biggest problem. Ideally, you dont get bonus points for being weaker (tho thats not always the reality) and im glad the refs in this case called it to the book. Thats not legal guarding position. WTF do you think is gonna happen when your back trodding and giannis is coming full speed? Thats almost never a charge

So the defender needs to just let Giannis pass him by?

How exactly do you defend someone that big charging full speed at you? I've seen the exact same play being called a charge on players not named Giannis because they aren't former MVPs that won a championship.

If Shaq was still in the league he would even more damn near impossible to guard since he could just get downhill with a bit of steam and just plow through multiple defenders.

No the defender needs to be quick enough to get in front of him. It's borderline impossible to do so in the open court against a full steam Giannis, so, he either needs to intentional foul him or get out of the way and hope he misses. You dont get bonus points for being weaker and Giannis doesnt get penalized for being bigger and stronger. Either get in real guarding position or get out of the way, cause that is 1000% the right call every time.

[WargamesX]

I do think that Giannis should get more charges but refs been swallowing their refs for the top players for years.

The only reason I can guess the Suns are bringing this up is they trying to set the ground work for bringing this up again in the Finals if they meet the Bucks there. Getting the refs super sensitive due to a narrative can be the difference in a game.

[WargamesX]

Also as tough as Giannis is you can slow the juggernaut down https://spokesman-recorder.com/2022/03/18/how-to-slow-down-giannis-antetokounmpo-is-the-wall-still-the-way/ Its just that the Suns do not have any of that personnel. Also all of those defensive plans rely on you having guys who can foul out, because you're going to have to foul Giannis regardless if he makes contact or not.

[skones]

Not going to get into all the ridiculousness that is this thread.

But he not only dropped his shoulder but you can see his right arm also pushes the defender.

And if he was so far out of position how did he take the shoulder in his chest?.

This isn't the 80s, you don't have to be stopped and flat footed to take a charge any more.

He's coming from Giannis's right side and giving him a bump. That's not legal guarding position. This isn't hard, freeze it at three seconds. Craig is late moving in front, he's moving sideways to get in the way. You don't need to be flat footed, but you DO need to be in front, not off to the side. Giannis is just entitled to that space as Craig and Giannis beats him to it.

[Hitachi77]

Not going to get into all the ridiculousness that is this thread.

But he not only dropped his shoulder but you can see his right arm also pushes the defender.

And if he was so far out of position how did he take the shoulder in his chest?.

This isn't the 80s, you don't have to be stopped and flat footed to take a charge any more.

He's coming from Giannis's right side and giving him a bump. That's not legal guarding position. This isn't hard, freeze it at three seconds. Craig is late moving in front, he's moving sideways to get in the way. You don't need to be flat footed, but you DO need to be in front, not off to the side. Giannis is just entitled to that space as Craig and Giannis beats him to it.

Yes he was in front, he didn’t extend his arms at all. He doesn’t have to cover 100% of the space Giannis is headed to, with that logic anyone could change their trajectory to the left or right by 20%, at the last second, and suddenly it would be a blocking foul. Craig is not Tom Cruise. He went flying because of Giannis contact, not because he’s a great actor.

[skones]

Not going to get into all the ridiculousness that is this thread.

But he not only dropped his shoulder but you can see his right arm also pushes the defender.

And if he was so far out of position how did he take the shoulder in his chest?.

This isn't the 80s, you don't have to be stopped and flat footed to take a charge any more.

He's coming from Giannis's right side and giving him a bump. That's not legal guarding position. This isn't hard, freeze it at three seconds. Craig is late moving in front, he's moving sideways to get in the way. You don't need to be flat footed, but you DO need to be in front, not off to the side. Giannis is just entitled to that space as Craig and Giannis beats him to it.

Yes he was in front, he didn’t extend his arms at all. He doesn’t have to cover 100% of the space Giannis is headed to, with that logic anyone could change their trajectory to the left or right by 20%, at the last second, and suddenly it would be a blocking foul. Craig is not Tom Cruise. He went flying because of Giannis contact, not because he’s a great actor.

I mean, he's not in front. At all. And your building a straw man with the supposed logic I'm using doesn't suddenly change that. No where did I claim he has to cover 100% of the space. Giannis didn't change his trajectory left or right by 20%. He went straight to the center of the free throw line. Craig literally needs to turn his body to Giannis at the last second to take it in the chest. It's Craig who ACTUALLY "changed his trajectory to the right by 20% at the last second." You can't have it both ways.

[mademan]

Not going to get into all the ridiculousness that is this thread.

But he not only dropped his shoulder but you can see his right arm also pushes the defender.

And if he was so far out of position how did he take the shoulder in his chest?.

This isn't the 80s, you don't have to be stopped and flat footed to take a charge any more.

He's coming from Giannis's right side and giving him a bump. That's not legal guarding position. This isn't hard, freeze it at three seconds. Craig is late moving in front, he's moving sideways to get in the way. You don't need to be flat footed, but you DO need to be in front, not off to the side. Giannis is just entitled to that space as Craig and Giannis beats him to it.

Yes he was in front, he didn’t extend his arms at all. He doesn’t have to cover 100% of the space Giannis is headed to, with that logic anyone could change their trajectory to the left or right by 20%, at the last second, and suddenly it would be a blocking foul. Craig is not Tom Cruise. He went flying because of Giannis contact, not because he’s a great actor.

Craig doesnt get bonus points for being weaker. Giannis is allowed to go to the rim and Craig has to get in front of him to stop him, not be on the side. If Giannis didnt push off, thats a clear cut blocking foul and im not sure how people are arguing this. Craig being smaller shouldnt matter for the rules. Get in legal guarding position to stop someone going towards the rim at full speed..thats the rule. Craig is not in legal guarding position, that is a fact.

[SlovenianDragon]

Lol this dude obsessed with legal guarding position and completely ignoring dropping the shoulder into the chest.

This isn't just a Giannis problem it's a league problem...

To me what Giannis does is no different than flopping. Where some guys drive and flop to sell contact Gianni drops his shoulder and seeks contact which should be a charge.

It's disgusting basketball and the league needs to do something bit we all know they won't...

The way offense is favored over defense is a joke. As a player it would be very frustrating.