Scoot Henderson

[JMAC3]

Thread continues to be a goldmine of **** takes - gonna be a fun one to read in a couple of yrs

Curious, what has been said about Scoot himself that you think is so wild and will be a gold mine?

If he isn't a Bonafide star in the league are you going to eat crow?

[Big J]

Thread continues to be a goldmine of **** takes - gonna be a fun one to read in a couple of yrs

Curious, what has been said about Scoot himself that you think is so wild and will be a gold mine?

If he isn't a Bonafide star in the league are you going to eat crow?

He's just hyperventilating because Miller passed him in most of the mocks, and he's taking his frustrations out in this thread.

[clyde21]

Thread continues to be a goldmine of **** takes - gonna be a fun one to read in a couple of yrs

Curious, what has been said about Scoot himself that you think is so wild and will be a gold mine?

If he isn't a Bonafide star in the league are you going to eat crow?

90% of your posts in this thread - from the GL is worse competition than college (you're still spewing that crap 20 pages in) to Scoot being a 'small guard', to you not knowing the GL 3pt line or that they take 1 less FT per foul.

and I've been consistent with my criticisms of Scoot and where I have him ranked - you talk about him as if he's a fringe player just so you can play it both ways. if Scoot busts it's "see I told you guys"...if he's a star you'll talk about how you still had him in your top 5. gtfo.

[Kurtz]

aint no way do kids who'll never sniff professional bball who are probably thinking about what frat party they are going to next have more at stake than actual professionals playing for their next contracts and livelihoods, but this is really just another **** take in a thread full of **** takes by a select few.

A league where a random nba player can be called down for a game and interrupt your whole line up is competitive? The guys in the g league are more worried about scoring 20 pts then actually playing team ball and winning games. That's a fact.

And just because we disagree doesn't make my take ****. Stop being disrespectful my guy. Thanks.

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how's that different than college players being in and out of lineups? the only difference is that GL player is getting replaced by another professional on the team who's also fighting for his next contract and livelihood.

and sorry, it's a **** take. any notion that a college player 'has more at stake' than a professional who's literally fighting for his next contract in the NBA (or abroad) is just ridiculous.

Clyde, have you seen any G-League games live?

[Big J]

Players can have major red flags and still be worthy of top 5 picks. We've gone over this already.

[JMAC3]

Thread continues to be a goldmine of **** takes - gonna be a fun one to read in a couple of yrs

Curious, what has been said about Scoot himself that you think is so wild and will be a gold mine?

If he isn't a Bonafide star in the league are you going to eat crow?

90% of your posts in this thread - from the GL is worse competition than college (you're still spewing that crap 20 pages in) to Scoot being a 'small guard', to you not knowing the GL 3pt line or that they take 1 less FT per foul.

and I've been consistent with my criticisms of Scoot and where I have him ranked - you talk about him as if he's a fringe player just so you can play it both ways. if Scoot busts it's "see I told you guys"...if he's a star you'll talk about how you still had him in your top 5. gtfo.

Nevermind, another troll comment that is twisting peoples words, making stuff up and not talking about the prospect.

[clyde21]

Curious, what has been said about Scoot himself that you think is so wild and will be a gold mine?

If he isn't a Bonafide star in the league are you going to eat crow?

90% of your posts in this thread - from the GL is worse competition than college (you're still spewing that crap 20 pages in) to Scoot being a 'small guard', to you not knowing the GL 3pt line or that they take 1 less FT per foul.

and I've been consistent with my criticisms of Scoot and where I have him ranked - you talk about him as if he's a fringe player just so you can play it both ways. if Scoot busts it's "see I told you guys"...if he's a star you'll talk about how you still had him in your top 5. gtfo.

Nevermind, another troll comment that is twisting peoples words, making stuff up and not talking about the prospect.

just repeating exactly what you've said in this thread - now you're pretending you didn't say it while you're still saying it.

how about you give us the reasons you think Scoot's a top 5er?

[JMAC3]

90% of your posts in this thread - from the GL is worse competition than college (you're still spewing that crap 20 pages in) to Scoot being a 'small guard', to you not knowing the GL 3pt line or that they take 1 less FT per foul.

and I've been consistent with my criticisms of Scoot and where I have him ranked - you talk about him as if he's a fringe player just so you can play it both ways. if Scoot busts it's "see I told you guys"...if he's a star you'll talk about how you still had him in your top 5. gtfo.

Nevermind, another troll comment that is twisting peoples words, making stuff up and not talking about the prospect.

just repeating exactly what you've said in this thread - now you're pretending you didn't say it while you're still saying it.

how about you give us the reasons you think Scoot's a top 5er?

1. Do you need me to quote every time I said the gleague overall talent is better than college? I am sure I have said it 20 times yet you continue to misquote me. Do you see why lying about this over and over again can be seen as you being a troll?

2. Also, when did I say I didn't know the gleague three was longer than college? or that I wasn't aware of Freethrow rule? Because both of those are made up. I very clearly have known that for some time, having watched Gleague games. Something that I am not sure you have done. Again you are making up things, troll behavior.

3. I have very clearly said the concerns I have with Scoot 100 times in this thread. It seems as though you rarely talk about him as a prospect and instead much more enjoy diverting the conversation and instead want to attack other posters over and over.

[clyde21]

Nevermind, another troll comment that is twisting peoples words, making stuff up and not talking about the prospect.

just repeating exactly what you've said in this thread - now you're pretending you didn't say it while you're still saying it.

how about you give us the reasons you think Scoot's a top 5er?

1. Do you need me to quote every time I said the gleague overall talent is better than college? I am sure I have said it 20 times yet you continue to misquote me. Do you see why lying about this over and over again can be seen as you being a troll?

2. Also, when did I say I didn't know the gleague three was longer than college? or that I wasn't aware of Freethrow rule? Because both of those are made up. I very clearly have known that for some time, having watched Gleague games. Something that I am not sure you have done. Again you are making up things, troll behavior.

3. I have very clearly said the concerns I have with Scoot 100 times in this thread. It seems as though you rarely talk about him as a prospect and instead much more enjoy diverting the conversation and instead want to attack other posters over and over.

why do you have Scoot ranked top 5?

[Big J]

The only reason I have him top 5 is because I’m following the hivemind mentality. If everyone else says he’s top 5 it’s better to just go along with the consensus. I can’t get behind the idea that he’s better than miller or the twins though, eff that ****.

[JMAC3]

why do you have Scoot ranked top 5?

He is a 6-2 guard that is neither elite as shooting from deep nor getting to the rim.

Pace Adjusted he averages less dunks per 40 mins he averages less dunks than
Fox 0.79 per 40
DSJ 0.73 per 40
Fultz 0.62 per 40
Wall- 1.05 per 40
Morant - 0.94 per 40
Scoot 0.60 dunks per 40

Scoot profiles most similarly to Fultz, the least explosive of the group.

Pace Adjusted per 40 he averages less 3 point shots attempted than
Fox 2.5 attemtps per 40
DSJ 5.5 attempts per 40
Fultz 5.7 per 40
Wall 3.6 per 40
Morant 5.2 per 40
Scoot 3 attempts per 40

None of these guys are elite shooters in the league and Scoot is behind them in terms of 3 point volume. And Yes I am believer that volume is a factor when determining the better shooter.

He also as a 6-2 guard will need to be paired with a larger player in the backcourt. Pairing him with someone 6-2 or smaller immediately puts the team in a bad spot defensively regardless of his reported wingspan. Projecting him to be a better defender than Fox, Wall, Morant or Rose seems like a massively optimistic view.

He profiles similar or worse in steals and blocks to these players as well per 40 pace adjusted.

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His routes of outcomes as the #2 pick to be successful seem very slim, he needs to be a 20/8 point guard that the offense revolves around. He is unlikely to be a very good off ball guard as both his defense and shooting are subpar. If he fails to be a sufficient/efficient offensive hub what is his fallback?

[clyde21]

bruh are you ok? lol

I'm asking why do you have him in your top 5. i.e. the reasons you like him, not dislike him.

[Big J]

He doesn’t like him.

[eminence]

Basically no prospect has ‘fallback’ options if their main thing doesn’t work out.

[reanimator]

The only reason I have him top 5 is because I’m following the hivemind mentality. If everyone else says he’s top 5 it’s better to just go along with the consensus. I can’t get behind the idea that he’s better than miller or the twins though, eff that ****.

I am glad you are honest.

[JMAC3]

bruh are you ok? lol

I'm asking why do you have him in your top 5. i.e. the reasons you like him, not dislike him.

Yeah, let's not act like that was super clear, but I already stated this.

He is still an athletic guard, you can be athletic without being a top 5% athlete like Morant, Wall and Rose. He is still more explosive than Wallace, George and JHS types. His playmaking seems above average, but a step below a Trae Young or LaMelo.

His shooting is a red flag to prevent me from taking him 2nd when coupled with his size. If his shooting improves he again probably ends up a better player than George, Wallce and JHS. His form is fine, but I am not sold its a done deal he is above average from deep in his career. If let's say Amen and him end up both being 36% 3pt shooters. I would rather have Amen for his size and defensive upside.

His size, at 4-6 in the draft I can take him for NEED of a point guard and be fine with him as the lead ball handler for the next 5 years. At 2 or 3? Am I jamming him into my roster no matter the other players and trying to make it work playing him or my current pg out of position? probably not. Whereas if I have SF that is great, I am fine still taking Miller 2nd and figuring it out. Same with Wemby. If I have an elite center, I am still taking Wemby no matter what my needs are. That is the difference in a guy IMO that is a lock for a top 3.

I think Scoot can be a really good player and a great pick for someone, not ruling it out. At same time I am not hyping him as some 2nd coming of Rose or Morant that is a lock to be a day 1 franchise changer.

[JMAC3]

Basically no prospect has ‘fallback’ options if their main thing doesn’t work out.

I disagree. Size, shooting, defense can all be great fallback skills if you miss out on being an allstar.

[Big J]

The only reason I have him top 5 is because I’m following the hivemind mentality. If everyone else says he’s top 5 it’s better to just go along with the consensus. I can’t get behind the idea that he’s better than miller or the twins though, eff that ****.

I am glad you are honest.

Thanks, this is what 99% of front office guys do as well. It’s why guys like Darko get drafted ahead of Melo & Wade & Fultz gets taken over Tatum for no real reason besides we all were told they are better.

[clyde21]

bruh are you ok? lol

I'm asking why do you have him in your top 5. i.e. the reasons you like him, not dislike him.

Yeah, let's not act like that was super clear, but I already stated this.

He is still an athletic guard, you can be athletic without being a top 5% athlete like Morant, Wall and Rose. He is still more explosive than Wallace, George and JHS types. His playmaking seems above average, but a step below a Trae Young or LaMelo.

His shooting is a red flag to prevent me from taking him 2nd when coupled with his size. If his shooting improves he again probably ends up a better player than George, Wallce and JHS. His form is fine, but I am not sold its a done deal he is above average from deep in his career. If let's say Amen and him end up both being 36% 3pt shooters. I would rather have Amen for his size and defensive upside.

His size, at 4-6 in the draft I can take him for NEED of a point guard and be fine with him as the lead ball handler for the next 5 years. At 2 or 3? Am I jamming him into my roster no matter the other players and trying to make it work playing him or my current pg out of position? probably not. Whereas if I have SF that is great, I am fine still taking Miller 2nd and figuring it out. Same with Wemby. If I have an elite center, I am still taking Wemby no matter what my needs are. That is the difference in a guy IMO that is a lock for a top 3.

I think Scoot can be a really good player and a great pick for someone, not ruling it out. At same time I am not hyping him as some 2nd coming of Rose or Morant that is a lock to be a day 1 franchise changer.

So basically you have Scoot a top 5 player in this class because he's above average athletically and is an above average playmaker? that's it? sounds like you're describing Judah Mintz. why isn't he in your top 5?

[eminence]

Basically no prospect has ‘fallback’ options if their main thing doesn’t work out.

I disagree. Size, shooting, defense can all be great fallback skills if you miss out on being an allstar.

Neat, they could be Jerebko.

(And some players main things are the above, including some allstars - eg a Klay who can’t shoot is a nobody).