RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Hornets (Sund, 1PM EST)

[ACMFFL]

For the 10th pick in the 2023 NBA draft, your Dallas Mavericks!

Nah, the Mavs will have to hand the 11th pick to the Knicks.

They honestly should shut Kyrie and Luka down. Luka has to serve a 1 game suspension so let him do that and then shut him down. They need to do their best to finish within the bottom 10 at this point.

Definitely this.
The saddest part is they even tried to win it but they couldn't against the Lamelo-less Hornets.
I just hope this umpeteenth embarassing loss finally opens the eyes of Cuban and of everyone else on this franchise.

[arkuo]

This is a protest loss by the players. Nobody gets back to back loses to the Hornets who fielded G leaguers.

Now the Hornets are out of the Webanyama sweepstakes LMAO

[ejs78]

Definitely not. The Mavs need an experience HC that the players respect.

Who is out there that the Mavs could get?

Dwane Casey looks like he's on his way out of Detroit.

Chauncey Billups looks like he's waiting to get fired.

Plus the recently fired ATL coach. - Nate Mcmillan

And none of these are good options

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[Dirk]

Spoiler:

This is quite spectacular. The entire coaching staff couldnt figure out how to win games with these 2 together. Then again, it took Kidd entire season plus 1st halftime to figure out that Maxi over Powell is better in the starting lineup.

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Him and FO also couldn't figure out that after being eliminated in the playoffs due to lack of quality bigs, that addressing the teams most pressing need could be a really useful idea. Instead they signed the Shaqtin MVP to what seems like a max contract and jerked each other off presumably.

Weird thing is, everything was somehow still working out in favor of Mavs, they had a good position in the standings. But after the trade, season completely derailed. Injuries, bad chemistry, no adjustments, nothing....

And they had one of the best moments of the season before/after trade when they won at Jazz, Clippers, Kings all without Luka. And then lead the Kings with Luka and failed to finish.

Then they got outmuscled at home to the Wolves and that was kind of eye opening... it has been a trend of getting outrebounded.

There was that great game against the Sixes and that was it.

Injuries are just the cherry on top.

[ejs78]

That game coming up vs the Bulls could be big

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[JWillTheFreak]

Other teams Ls don't matter when we can't grab a win.

[Archx]

Spoiler:

Him and FO also couldn't figure out that after being eliminated in the playoffs due to lack of quality bigs, that addressing the teams most pressing need could be a really useful idea. Instead they signed the Shaqtin MVP to what seems like a max contract and jerked each other off presumably.

Weird thing is, everything was somehow still working out in favor of Mavs, they had a good position in the standings. But after the trade, season completely derailed. Injuries, bad chemistry, no adjustments, nothing....

And they had one of the best moments of the season before/after trade when they won at Jazz, Clippers, Kings all without Luka. And then lead the Kings with Luka and failed to finish.

Then they got outmuscled at home to the Wolves and that was kind of eye opening... it has been a trend of getting outrebounded.

There was that great game against the Sixes and that was it.

Injuries are just the cherry on top.

I can't believe this is even a real stat right now.

58 rebs for Hornets and 37 for Mavs. (Only 3ORBS).

Complete lack of effort OR complete lack of ability to actually rebound in the first place? Kidd playing midget lineups doesn't help either but still....Luka with 12 rebs and the next best guy had 6 (Bullock). Just pathetic.

[Ni Da Ye]

So we trade our assets for a superstar and we cannot win against the Hornets.

Good trade regardless as per homer's logic.

[ACMFFL]

Weird thing is, everything was somehow still working out in favor of Mavs, they had a good position in the standings. But after the trade, season completely derailed. Injuries, bad chemistry, no adjustments, nothing....

And they had one of the best moments of the season before/after trade when they won at Jazz, Clippers, Kings all without Luka. And then lead the Kings with Luka and failed to finish.

Then they got outmuscled at home to the Wolves and that was kind of eye opening... it has been a trend of getting outrebounded.

There was that great game against the Sixes and that was it.

Injuries are just the cherry on top.

I can't believe this is even a real stat right now.

58 rebs for Hornets and 37 for Mavs. (Only 3ORBS).

Complete lack of effort OR complete lack of ability to actually rebound in the first place? Kidd playing midget lineups doesn't help either but still....Luka with 12 rebs and the next best guy had 6 (Bullock). Just pathetic.

Even when they defend well, opponents too often grab an offensive rebound to then proceed to score. That's frustrating for us as fans but even more for the players on the court ihmo.
And that's 100% on the FO and the coach who somehow didn't see this coming.

[41Dirk41]

And they had one of the best moments of the season before/after trade when they won at Jazz, Clippers, Kings all without Luka. And then lead the Kings with Luka and failed to finish.

Then they got outmuscled at home to the Wolves and that was kind of eye opening... it has been a trend of getting outrebounded.

There was that great game against the Sixes and that was it.

Injuries are just the cherry on top.

I can't believe this is even a real stat right now.

58 rebs for Hornets and 37 for Mavs. (Only 3ORBS).

Complete lack of effort OR complete lack of ability to actually rebound in the first place? Kidd playing midget lineups doesn't help either but still....Luka with 12 rebs and the next best guy had 6 (Bullock). Just pathetic.

Even when they defend well, opponents too often grab an offensive rebound to then proceed to score. That's frustrating for us as fans but even more for the players on the court ihmo.
And that's 100% on the FO and the coach who somehow didn't see this coming.

Dallas has no C on the roster outside McGee. We can't rebound.
Plus Kidd plays 80% of the time with 4 guards.

[dirkules_41]

Someone tell me what's wrong here:
Minutes for Mavs bigs: 53
Minutes for CHA bigs: 95

Rebounds Mavs: 3 OREB, 37 REB
Rebounds CHA: 14 OREB, 58 REB

[arkuo]

IMO Kidd is trying to hard to be well liked by the players. He's trying too hard to look cool and be one of the guys.

[dirkules_41]

So we trade our assets for a superstar and we cannot win against the Hornets.

Good trade regardless as per homer's logic.

It's like getting sunburnt and complaining that it's half moon at the moment. This team had fatal issues long before the trade and the trade hasn't changed any of that. Kyrie can't cover for (Please Use More Appropriate Word) coaching and a complete absence of quality bigs, rebounding or interior defense - and you can go look that up, Mavs were dead last in these stats before and since the trade.

[MasterIchiro]

This is a protest loss by the players. Nobody gets back to back loses to the Hornets who fielded G leaguers.

Now the Hornets are out of the Webanyama sweepstakes LMAO

No we have not hurt our probabilities for Wembanyama. We're locked in the 4 spot. We were never catching the bottom 3. And the Orlando Magic have like 8 fewer losses in the 5 slot. Wins at this point don't harm us in any material way. They build chemistry.

Our best player missed half the year. Our next best player who averaged 20 missed the whole year.

We have LaMelo - Miles - PJ - Mark Williams as our young building blocks. Plus our lottery pick. That could be our starting lineup, with all players on rookie deals except Miles and PJ. They'd be coming off rookie deals as restricted free agents.

Whatever we get from our deep bench pieces (Thor, McGowens, Kai Jones, Bouknight) down the stretch is a bonus.

Gordon Hayward's on an expiring contract. He can obviously still play. We need him to steady the young roster. And Dennis Smith Jr. has heart. I like those two as vet leaders. I could care less about Rozier and Oubre at this point. We play better as a team without them killing shotclock then chucking. Both are awful game managers.

I'm surprised Mavs didn't fight harder to keep Jalen Brunson. He fit in Dallas. All the toughness is gone between him leaving and the Kyrie trade.

[Absinthe]

The fan base doesn’t want to hear this, but I would tear this team down and do a full and complete rebuild. I wouldn’t offer Kyrie a penny and I would trade Luka for a king’s ransom. Then I would tank. Do exactly what OKC and Utah is doing. Do what Boston did five to seven years ago.

Let Bertans expire. Don’t offer Kyrie anything. Let THJ expire. Trade Luka for tons of picks and a promising talent or two. This team needs cap space and picks. Tank for the high picks. I’m not convinced a magician could fix the issues this team has. It’s full of bad contracts, no picks, and potentially four players eating up ALL of the cap space. Rebuild now.

[BliscoSantos]

The fan base doesn’t want to hear this, but I would tear this team down and do a full and complete rebuild. I wouldn’t offer Kyrie a penny and I would trade Luka for a king’s ransom. Then I would tank. Do exactly what OKC and Utah is doing. Do what Boston did five to seven years ago.

Let Bertans expire. Don’t offer Kyrie anything. Let THJ expire. Trade Luka for tons of picks and a promising talent or two. This team needs cap space and picks. Tank for the high picks. I’m not convinced a magician could fix the issues this team has. It’s full of bad contracts, no picks, and potentially four players eating up ALL of the cap space. Rebuild now.

That's a horrible idea...draft is a lotery...what are the chances Mavs get a great Player in the draft ...that could mean 10-15 years of being at the botrom of the NBA(cause no free agents are coming to Dallas)

[41Dirk41]

The fan base doesn’t want to hear this, but I would tear this team down and do a full and complete rebuild. I wouldn’t offer Kyrie a penny and I would trade Luka for a king’s ransom. Then I would tank. Do exactly what OKC and Utah is doing. Do what Boston did five to seven years ago.

Let Bertans expire. Don’t offer Kyrie anything. Let THJ expire. Trade Luka for tons of picks and a promising talent or two. This team needs cap space and picks. Tank for the high picks. I’m not convinced a magician could fix the issues this team has. It’s full of bad contracts, no picks, and potentially four players eating up ALL of the cap space. Rebuild now.

The players or the cap situation aren't the problem... Cuban is unable to build a contender, there are a lot of chance that in 2011 was all lucky.

[JWillTheFreak]

You don't trade young proven talent for lottery chance, there been way to many busts in the top 5 picks... Luka is young enough to build around unless he demands a trade or leaves when his contract up... but atm you try to build around him, and fill in the black holes on Mavs team.

[Absinthe]

The fan base doesn’t want to hear this, but I would tear this team down and do a full and complete rebuild. I wouldn’t offer Kyrie a penny and I would trade Luka for a king’s ransom. Then I would tank. Do exactly what OKC and Utah is doing. Do what Boston did five to seven years ago.

Let Bertans expire. Don’t offer Kyrie anything. Let THJ expire. Trade Luka for tons of picks and a promising talent or two. This team needs cap space and picks. Tank for the high picks. I’m not convinced a magician could fix the issues this team has. It’s full of bad contracts, no picks, and potentially four players eating up ALL of the cap space. Rebuild now.

That's a horrible idea...draft is a lotery...what are the chances Mavs get a great Player in the draft ...that could mean 10-15 years of being at the botrom of the NBA(cause no free agents are coming to Dallas)

If no free agents are coming to Dallas then you must trade for players or draft players. Listen to yourself.

1) We know that Dallas can’t improve through free agency because players won’t sign there.

2) We know Dallas can’t improve through trade because they don’t have picks or desirable players to trade.

Luka is the only player of any value on the team. Period. The team can’t improve. This team, as is, is a five seed or lower every year. If you’re a middling team you have to blow things up or you end up like the Portland Trailblazers- just talented enough to not suck but never going to contend for anything.

[Absinthe]

You don't trade young proven talent for lottery chance, there been way to many busts in the top 5 picks... Luka is young enough to build around unless he demands a trade or leaves when his contract up... but atm you try to build around him, and fill in the black holes on Mavs team.

All right. You do it then. Build around Luka. Make it work. Because it’s impossible. Move Bertans and THJ. Sign free agents that spurn this team every summer. They have no draft picks to move, no player anyone wants, and have bad contracts up and down the roster. Go ahead and improve the team. I want to see what your proposals are.