Scoot Henderson

[Big J]

the retcon this last page isn't gonna change the garbage that was spewed in this thread for 20+ pages lol

You have a disconnect bro.

Have you ever heard someone compare LeBron and Jordan? Just because they point out negatives on one or other doesn't mean they don't think they are a top 10 player in history.

It is no different comparing Scoot to other top 5 prospects.

nah, you're fully trying to retcon all the garbage you were peddling in this thread, from Scoot being too small to being a bad shooter to unable to finish to being a bad defend. the maths isn't adding up.

Except that he's literally not doing that, but let's just ignore facts.

[The-Power]

Having the best guard prospect in years slip in the draft is insane.

Is he a better prospect than Trae Young? Ja Morant? LaMelo Ball? Cade Cunningham or Luka Doncic (if we decide to call then Guards)? I have no issues with anyone who has him in that group and ahead of some – or even all – of them (I, however, would not). But the idea that he is in a different tier is something I would push back against. I think Scoot still benefits from his peak-hype (after the games he played versus Victor's team) but if we look at his entire body of work this season, I don't think he clearly separated himself from other top-prospects at his position over the past 5 years.

[mattao313]

I can't fathom how anyone can think Scoot is not going #2.

Meh it was people saying that about Jabari Smith going 1st yet he went 3.

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No, it's not the same.

Having the best guard prospect in years slip in the draft is insane.

I disagree with that but why does it matter if he's the 'best guard prospect in years' if I and others value other prospects more? Scoot did nothing this season to separate himself from other prospects to be in his own tier.

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[clyde21]

Having the best guard prospect in years slip in the draft is insane.

Is he a better prospect than Trae Young? Ja Morant? LaMelo Ball? Cade Cunningham or Luka Doncic (if we decide to call then Guards)? I have no issues with anyone who has him in that group and ahead of some – or even all – of them (I, however, would not). But the idea that he is in a different tier is something I would push back against. I think Scoot still benefits from his peak-hype (after the games he played versus Victor's team) but if we look at his entire body of work this season, I don't think he clearly separated himself from other top-prospects at his position over the past 5 years.

i'd put Scoot firmly above Trae and LaMelo, same tier as Morant and Cade, and below Doncic but Doncic was a different animal anyways as a point forward type coming from abroad

i think Scoot's one of the best lead guards prospects we've seen the last decade and I don't think it's a stretch to say this.

if someone can show me a better physical specimen to come out recently at lead guard im all ears...and I mean actual lead guard not combo or two guards masquarading as lead guards.

[Big J]

Okay, now this thread is going to be a goldmine.

[EMG518]

Having the best guard prospect in years slip in the draft is insane.

Is he a better prospect than Trae Young? Ja Morant? LaMelo Ball? Cade Cunningham or Luka Doncic (if we decide to call then Guards)? I have no issues with anyone who has him in that group and ahead of some – or even all – of them (I, however, would not). But the idea that he is in a different tier is something I would push back against. I think Scoot still benefits from his peak-hype (after the games he played versus Victor's team) but if we look at his entire body of work this season, I don't think he clearly separated himself from other top-prospects at his position over the past 5 years.

Yes, he is a better prospect than all of them. Luka aside whom I really didn't get a chance to follow overseas but the rest of them, had Trae ranked low because of defense/size, had Lamelo ranked low due to defense/shooting/style of play, liked Haliburton more in his same draft, Loved Ja, had him firmly 2nd in his draft but did not expect him to be this good, Had Cade 3rd, liked Mobley and Green more, was never in love with Cade or got the hype as much as I did like him.

Scoot is clearly one of the best 18 year olds ever, best PG in over a decade.

[EMG518]

Meh it was people saying that about Jabari Smith going 1st yet he went 3.

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No, it's not the same.

Having the best guard prospect in years slip in the draft is insane.

I disagree with that but why does it matter if he's the 'best guard prospect in years' if I and others value other prospects more? Scoot did nothing this season to separate himself from other prospects to be in his own tier.

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It doesn't matter. You can value whom ever you like how ever much as you like.

With that said, Scoot is the best pg prospect in a decade, if you want to pass on that for a wing that isn't going to be a number 1 on your team, feel free.

[mattao313]

No, it's not the same.

Having the best guard prospect in years slip in the draft is insane.

I disagree with that but why does it matter if he's the 'best guard prospect in years' if I and others value other prospects more? Scoot did nothing this season to separate himself from other prospects to be in his own tier.

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It doesn't matter. You can value whom ever you like how ever much as you like.

With that said, Scoot is the best pg prospect in a decade, if you want to pass on that for a wing that isn't going to be a number 1 on your team, feel free.

And what says scoot is a #1? I respect that you think Scoot has a superstar level ceiling but I don't. At best I see a #2 that has to have the ball to get the most value out of him akin to a John wall.

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[EMG518]

I disagree with that but why does it matter if he's the 'best guard prospect in years' if I and others value other prospects more? Scoot did nothing this season to separate himself from other prospects to be in his own tier.

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It doesn't matter. You can value whom ever you like how ever much as you like.

With that said, Scoot is the best pg prospect in a decade, if you want to pass on that for a wing that isn't going to be a number 1 on your team, feel free.

And what says scoot is a #1? I respect that you think Scoot has a superstar level ceiling but I don't. At best I see a #2 that has to have the ball to get the most value out of him akin to a John wall.

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He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

[mattao313]

It doesn't matter. You can value whom ever you like how ever much as you like.

With that said, Scoot is the best pg prospect in a decade, if you want to pass on that for a wing that isn't going to be a number 1 on your team, feel free.

And what says scoot is a #1? I respect that you think Scoot has a superstar level ceiling but I don't. At best I see a #2 that has to have the ball to get the most value out of him akin to a John wall.

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He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

We can agree to disagree because he's a good athlete but no where near freaky as you claim. With that assessment you put him in a tier with guys like rose and Westbrook. He isn't close to those guys especially Rose.

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[Big J]

It doesn't matter. You can value whom ever you like how ever much as you like.

With that said, Scoot is the best pg prospect in a decade, if you want to pass on that for a wing that isn't going to be a number 1 on your team, feel free.

And what says scoot is a #1? I respect that you think Scoot has a superstar level ceiling but I don't. At best I see a #2 that has to have the ball to get the most value out of him akin to a John wall.

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He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

He’s no where close to being a freak athlete. He’s more of a Suggs or Fultz level athlete.

[Hal14]

And what says scoot is a #1? I respect that you think Scoot has a superstar level ceiling but I don't. At best I see a #2 that has to have the ball to get the most value out of him akin to a John wall.

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He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

He’s no where close to being a freak athlete. He’s more of a Suggs or Fultz level athlete.

Baron davis

[Big J]

He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

He’s no where close to being a freak athlete. He’s more of a Suggs or Fultz level athlete.

Baron davis

Scoot rarely dunks.

[JMAC3]

Scoot real stats
17.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 6.6 apg, 3.3 tpg, 1.2 spg, 0.5 bpg
on 44/32/75 splits
Not awful, but far from he is the best prospect in a decade stats.

If he had been
22 ppg, 5 rpg, 8+ apg, 2+ spg and actually shot closer to 50/38/85
where would he be ranked? Best prospect ever? lol

If he had done that, I would say you guys are right, he is ready to be a star in the league, but he didn't. He shot a piss poor percentage from the field for a guy that is supposed to be another worldly athlete, shot bad from deep especially when you factor the small volume he was taking and 1.2 spg for a guy that should be easily the best athlete in the league the way some describe is really poor.

He can still be a very good prospect at age 19 and worthy of a team investing a top 5 pick in him without being a decade special prospect and a lock for the 2nd pick.

Hell even if he shot 36% but did it on double the volume of 5-6 threes per game I would feel a lot better than I do. Instead teams went under screens, dared him to shoot open threes and he still made less than 1 per game. I am sorry but I can't just ignore that because it only gets tougher at the next level.

[EMG518]

And what says scoot is a #1? I respect that you think Scoot has a superstar level ceiling but I don't. At best I see a #2 that has to have the ball to get the most value out of him akin to a John wall.

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He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

He’s no where close to being a freak athlete. He’s more of a Suggs or Fultz level athlete.

There are different types of freak athletes. Scoot is one and he isn't like Suggs or Fultz. Completely different level.

[Big J]

He is freakishly athletic, freak body, can get his shot in multiple places, great handle, good passer, literally just needs to work on his shot but there is nothing there that would make me think he wouldn't improve. He should have the ball and is a #1.

He’s no where close to being a freak athlete. He’s more of a Suggs or Fultz level athlete.

There are different types of freak athletes. Scoot is one and he isn't like Suggs or Fultz. Completely different level.

He’s really not. He’s nowhere near Morant, DRose, or Westbrook level athlete. I’m not sure how you are getting this. He can’t create separation any time like those guys, and he barely ever even dunks.

[EMG518]

He’s no where close to being a freak athlete. He’s more of a Suggs or Fultz level athlete.

There are different types of freak athletes. Scoot is one and he isn't like Suggs or Fultz. Completely different level.

He’s really not. He’s nowhere near Morant, DRose, or Westbrook level athlete. I’m not sure how you are getting this. He can’t create separation any time like those guys, and he barely ever even dunks.

Okay, no point really in going back and forth. I will just say there are different type of freak athletes, Scoot is one and on a different level than Suggs and Fultz.

The fact that you have to bring up the most athletic Point guards in history should tell you something. You couldn't just go down the NBA rosters and pick out point guards because he is more athletic than them.

[JMAC3]

There are different types of freak athletes. Scoot is one and he isn't like Suggs or Fultz. Completely different level.

He’s really not. He’s nowhere near Morant, DRose, or Westbrook level athlete. I’m not sure how you are getting this. He can’t create separation any time like those guys, and he barely ever even dunks.

Okay, no point really in going back and forth. I will just say there are different type of freak athletes, Scoot is one and on a different level than Suggs and Fultz.

The fact that you have to bring up the most athletic Point guards in history should tell you something. You couldn't just go down the NBA rosters and pick out point guards because he is more athletic than them.

I think Jaden Ivey is both faster and a better vertical athlete when compared to Scoot.

Dennis Smith Jr and Kevin Porter Jr are both above average athletes, but still below all-time great. That is probably where I see Scoot athleticism at alone. I still expect him to be better prospects than those guys but point blank I think Scoot athletic profile is overrated by most.

[BostonCouchGM]

I think that most of us here are in agreement that the #2 spot is up for grab after Scoot didn’t really show that he was the guy that he was hyped up to be. Still a nice little player, but no generational dude like we were all led to believe.

I actually DO think he's an elite talent despite the underwhelming season. I just see red flags with him choosing to not play these past couple of seasons when he could have. I don't even mind the league he chose, it's his willingness to blow it off that alarms me. I want kids that want to compete. You don't see Wembanyama sitting out and he truly is generational. Also, the twins are elite prospects in their own right so like last season, with that top three that could have gone any way, why wouldn't it be wide open for the #2 this draft when there's similarly no talent gap?

Scoot might not be an elite leaper but he still has great hops. What makes him special imo is his fast twitch burst like Rose. He is really quick with starts, stops and great body control. Now, lots of guys are like this but not while also dribbling a basketball which is what separates him from most. That's not to say he'll be Rose but imo he's as close to that as we've seen since and Rose was among the best in the game. An MVP at 22 y/o. One thing I think he has over Rose though is defense or at least the potential to be a plus defender.

as far as production, I'm chalking that up to indifference. He was going through the motions just doing the minimum to ensure he's a top prospect but not to stress out about it or risk injury. With spacing in the NBA he'll put up ridiculous numbers and might even be in the ROTY discussion despite having to compete with Wembanyama

[Big J]

I think that most of us here are in agreement that the #2 spot is up for grab after Scoot didn’t really show that he was the guy that he was hyped up to be. Still a nice little player, but no generational dude like we were all led to believe.

I actually DO think he's an elite talent despite the underwhelming season. I just see red flags with him choosing to not play these past couple of seasons when he could have. I don't even mind the league he chose, it's his willingness to blow it off that alarms me. I want kids that want to compete. You don't see Wembanyama sitting out and he truly is generational. Also, the twins are elite prospects in their own right so like last season, with that top three that could have gone any way, why wouldn't it be wide open for the #2 this draft when there's similarly no talent gap?

Scoot might not be an elite leaper but he still has great hops. What makes him special imo is his fast twitch burst like Rose. He is really quick with starts, stops and great body control. Now, lots of guys are like this but not while also dribbling a basketball which is what separates him from most. That's not to say he'll be Rose but imo he's as close to that as we've seen since and Rose was among the best in the game. An MVP at 22 y/o. One thing I think he has over Rose though is defense or at least the potential to be a plus defender.

as far as production, I'm chalking that up to indifference. He was going through the motions just doing the minimum to ensure he's a top prospect but not to stress out about it or risk injury. With spacing in the NBA he'll put up ridiculous numbers and might even be in the ROTY discussion despite having to compete with Wembanyama

Yea, I think a lot of us have already a acknowledged that he could win ROY by having a high usage low efficiency type of year on a losing team if he goes to a team that doesn’t have any other stars on it.