Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[GTR11]

LaMelo shoots 37% from 3, eFG 51+ from the and 87% FT.
Trae 35% from 3, eFG 50+ from and 87.

Lamelo also has better +/- on both D and O. If LaMelo is horrible and Trae as well.

LaMelo TS% is significantly worse than Trae. His FT rate is .16. Trae is .46. How can you be a 6-7 PG and not get to the FT line? He literally takes more shots than Trae and yet he averaged 23 points while Trae averaged 26.

And Lamelo is too weak to ever be a good defender. Plays like D'Angelo Russell except with worse shooting talent.

Exaggeration with this kid is beyond ( fell free to add your opinion ) sane. However looking at his posts, he is mediocre troll at best.

[MrDollarBills]

I think the smoke coming out of Atlanta is real, especially if the Hawks fall tonight.

Part of me says no, but we're kind of desperate here.

There will be way more smoke coming from other different places. Chill man, fall back and enjoy what you can get. You settling here.

Not going to lie. I will entertain CamJ and 2 picks this year for Murray.

Other than that, they can kiss my azz.

I absolutely would trade for Murray too.

Hawks fans are saying the Trae rumors are BS. However if any of their other players are available we need to pursue

[MrDollarBills]

Another problem with Trae, is that his reputation with other players suck. I'm not sure how many other star type players would want to play with him, if the Nets wanted to make a secondary trade after.

Lastly, I'm just not tied to the notion that the Nets "need" a star traditional PG.

I feel like our playmaking needs an upgrade. I hate to sound like I'm hating on Spencer, I'm not, but i don't think he's the answer at PG.

With Bridges not being a pure iso scorer we kinda need a table setter imo.

[MrDollarBills]

If all these attitude and teammates stuff about Trae is true Marks might be wary on him with just dealing with kyrie. I still think targeting Lamelo is under radar move, Marks might be doing. Marks scheming something either this year or next.

I think character and professionalism will factor in who gets brought in here. I'd be stunned if Marks and Tsai bring in another kook.

Atlanta fans are disputing this stuff about Trae, fwiw. My concerns about Trae are more aligned with the folks who say he's too small.

[MrDollarBills]

Also, Young's 3pt shooting kinda fell off this season.

[CalamityX12]

I think I said before but seeing him chirping already at his teammates deserves a repeat

I kindly pass on KAT for Brooklyn.

This gut constantly whines at his teammates whether he's at fault or not

[3pt_chucker]

Another problem with Trae, is that his reputation with other players suck. I'm not sure how many other star type players would want to play with him, if the Nets wanted to make a secondary trade after.

Lastly, I'm just not tied to the notion that the Nets "need" a star traditional PG.

I feel like our playmaking needs an upgrade. I hate to sound like I'm hating on Spencer, I'm not, but i don't think he's the answer at PG.

With Bridges not being a pure iso scorer we kinda need a table setter imo.

Oh, I agree that the team would be better with a PG and Spence is not the answer. I'm just not sold that it has to be an all star player (i.e: Trae, FVV)

Team needs a primary ball handler that can properly set up an offense but also score as needed. The modern NBA right now has many players like this who aren't the prototypical PG.

If Trae was a FA, I'd actually be more open to it because the NEts would have assets to get a true #1 player in a trade. However giving up tons of assets for (in my opinion) a #2, seems like a ceiling limiting move.

[vincecarter4pres]

Another problem with Trae, is that his reputation with other players suck. I'm not sure how many other star type players would want to play with him, if the Nets wanted to make a secondary trade after.

Lastly, I'm just not tied to the notion that the Nets "need" a star traditional PG.

I feel like our playmaking needs an upgrade. I hate to sound like I'm hating on Spencer, I'm not, but i don't think he's the answer at PG.

With Bridges not being a pure iso scorer we kinda need a table setter imo.

Oh, I agree that the team would be better with a PG and Spence is not the answer. I'm just not sold that it has to be an all star player (i.e: Trae, FVV)

Team needs a primary ball handler that can properly set up an offense but also score as needed. The modern NBA right now has many players like this who aren't the prototypical PG.

If Trae was a FA, I'd actually be more open to it because the NEts would have assets to get a true #1 player in a trade. However giving up tons of assets for (in my opinion) a #2, seems like a ceiling limiting move.

But who are these players literally and specifically?

[Tha King]

I don't know, if Trae is actually available then I'd trade all the non-Nets picks needed without question. Yea there are defensive limitations but he's an offensive system on his own which you can only say about a very few. Just need to put the right type of players around him which I think are already here.

The question is what would the Hawks want? If something around Din and a lot of picks works for them then I'd do it.

Trae
Bridges
Cam
DFS
Claxton

that looks like a very good and complimentary team that can get better over the years

[3pt_chucker]

I feel like our playmaking needs an upgrade. I hate to sound like I'm hating on Spencer, I'm not, but i don't think he's the answer at PG.

With Bridges not being a pure iso scorer we kinda need a table setter imo.

Oh, I agree that the team would be better with a PG and Spence is not the answer. I'm just not sold that it has to be an all star player (i.e: Trae, FVV)

Team needs a primary ball handler that can properly set up an offense but also score as needed. The modern NBA right now has many players like this who aren't the prototypical PG.

If Trae was a FA, I'd actually be more open to it because the NEts would have assets to get a true #1 player in a trade. However giving up tons of assets for (in my opinion) a #2, seems like a ceiling limiting move.

But who are these players literally and specifically?

Leaving out bench players for simplicity:

The best examples of wings/bigs as primary ball handlers:
Jokic
Luka
LBJ
Sabonis
Middleton (Khris handles the ball in crunch time + bench mins)
Corpse of Ben Simmons
Draymond sometimes

"Combo" Guards who are primary ball handlers (basically Dinwiddie):
Steph (He and Draymond are basically the offense creators)
SGA
Jrue
Dame
Harden
Mitchell
Marcus Smart
Westbrook
CJ McCollum

The current prototypical PGs (off the top of my head) are:
CP3
Haliburton
Trae
Garland
LaMelo
Brunson
Conley

[3pt_chucker]

I think I said before but seeing him chirping already at his teammates deserves a repeat

I kindly pass on KAT for Brooklyn.

This gut constantly whines at his teammates whether he's at fault or not

While I agree he's annoying/corny, I think KAT would blossom in a different environment with better coaching and infrastructure.

Not sure that is the Nets but I feel like a team like the Heat would make him so much better. That said it could backfire and he just pouts

[CalamityX12]

I think I said before but seeing him chirping already at his teammates deserves a repeat

I kindly pass on KAT for Brooklyn.

This gut constantly whines at his teammates whether he's at fault or not

While I agree he's annoying/corny, I think KAT would blossom in a different environment with better coaching and infrastructure.

Not sure that is the Nets but I feel like a team like the Heat would make him so much better. That said it could backfire and he just pouts

Was gonna say, better coaching? That ain't us lol

[MrDollarBills]

I think I said before but seeing him chirping already at his teammates deserves a repeat

I kindly pass on KAT for Brooklyn.

This gut constantly whines at his teammates whether he's at fault or not

While I agree he's annoying/corny, I think KAT would blossom in a different environment with better coaching and infrastructure.

Not sure that is the Nets but I feel like a team like the Heat would make him so much better. That said it could backfire and he just pouts

Man i was about to SAY !!!!

[MrDollarBills]

Oh, I agree that the team would be better with a PG and Spence is not the answer. I'm just not sold that it has to be an all star player (i.e: Trae, FVV)

Team needs a primary ball handler that can properly set up an offense but also score as needed. The modern NBA right now has many players like this who aren't the prototypical PG.

If Trae was a FA, I'd actually be more open to it because the NEts would have assets to get a true #1 player in a trade. However giving up tons of assets for (in my opinion) a #2, seems like a ceiling limiting move.

But who are these players literally and specifically?

Leaving out bench players for simplicity:

The best examples of wings/bigs as primary ball handlers:
Jokic
Luka
LBJ
Sabonis
Middleton (Khris handles the ball in crunch time + bench mins)
Corpse of Ben Simmons
Draymond sometimes

"Combo" Guards who are primary ball handlers (basically Dinwiddie):
Steph (He and Draymond are basically the offense creators)
SGA
Jrue
Dame
Harden
Mitchell
Marcus Smart
Westbrook
CJ McCollum

The current prototypical PGs (off the top of my head) are:
CP3
Haliburton
Trae
Garland
Brunson
Conley

Imagine if Marks had jumped in sooner to make a play for Halliburton instead of trading Harden for a bag of dogsh*t?

[vincecarter4pres]

Oh, I agree that the team would be better with a PG and Spence is not the answer. I'm just not sold that it has to be an all star player (i.e: Trae, FVV)

Team needs a primary ball handler that can properly set up an offense but also score as needed. The modern NBA right now has many players like this who aren't the prototypical PG.

If Trae was a FA, I'd actually be more open to it because the NEts would have assets to get a true #1 player in a trade. However giving up tons of assets for (in my opinion) a #2, seems like a ceiling limiting move.

But who are these players literally and specifically?

Leaving out bench players for simplicity:

The best examples of wings/bigs as primary ball handlers:
Jokic
Luka
LBJ
Sabonis
Middleton (Khris handles the ball in crunch time + bench mins)
Corpse of Ben Simmons
Draymond sometimes

"Combo" Guards who are primary ball handlers (basically Dinwiddie):
Steph (He and Draymond are basically the offense creators)
SGA
Jrue
Dame
Harden
Mitchell
Marcus Smart
Westbrook
CJ McCollum

The current prototypical PGs (off the top of my head) are:
CP3
Haliburton
Trae
Garland
Brunson
Conley

Well this is where I’m going with this…

I figured you’d come up with a good list and you didn’t disappoint, but the problem is, very few of those guys are attainable.

Trae, Dame, CP3 and Conley are probably the only truly realistic ones and 2 of them are over the hill, 1 on the cusp and 1 is a defensive sieve with rumors of diva behavior.

McCollum might be available, but he’s getting up there in age too and unless it’s for Dinwiddie, Cam and Harris, is a questionable get, asset-cost-wise as well.

[MrDollarBills]

We need a player like SGA at PG. That is elite talent

[Marvin Martian]

Marks should be fired if Zach Lavine is not a Net by next season

[Eatgreenz]

Read on Twitter

[Eatgreenz]

We need a player like SGA at PG. That is elite talent

Dont think we have a shot at SGA but other than luka depending what happens with the mavs. Lamelo could be that elite talent he just gotta get out of Charlotte to really show it.

[3pt_chucker]

But who are these players literally and specifically?

Leaving out bench players for simplicity:

The best examples of wings/bigs as primary ball handlers:
Jokic
Luka
LBJ
Sabonis
Middleton (Khris handles the ball in crunch time + bench mins)
Corpse of Ben Simmons
Draymond sometimes

"Combo" Guards who are primary ball handlers (basically Dinwiddie):
Steph (He and Draymond are basically the offense creators)
SGA
Jrue
Dame
Harden
Mitchell
Marcus Smart
Westbrook
CJ McCollum

The current prototypical PGs (off the top of my head) are:
CP3
Haliburton
Trae
Garland
Brunson
Conley

Well this is where I’m going with this…

I figured you’d come up with a good list and you didn’t disappoint, but the problem is, very few of those guys are attainable.

Trae, Dame, CP3 and Conley are probably the only truly realistic ones and 2 of them are over the hill, 1 on the cusp and 1 is a defensive sieve with rumors of diva behavior.

McCollum might be available, but he’s getting up there in age too and unless it’s for Dinwiddie, Cam and Harris, is a questionable get, asset-cost-wise as well.

Agreed, these players are highly coveted right now and the ones that are available have major downsides whether it be off/on baggage or age.