2023 NBA Draft Prospects

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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#181 » by bkohler » Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:54 pm

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bkohler wrote:I think he’s someone that will rise again once they get into workouts. I haven’t been enamored with either Keyonte or NSJ but I also am not a big fan of score first SGs with the way the league is right now.

I see lots of Eric Gordon in Keyonte and lots of Clarkson actually in NSJ.

I think Clarkson is the perfect comp for Smith. The guy Keyonte reminds me of the most is actually Jamal Murray.



The big question for me with Keyonte is can he play the 1? If so then I’m way more interested but I’m concerned you might end up with an (kinda) undersized 2 and we just played that game as a franchise and saw the downsides of that.
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Post#182 » by Inigo Montoya » Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:59 pm

The difference between Keyonte George and Murray is that Murray was an excellent shooter and highly efficient in College, while George is highly inefficient.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#183 » by babyjax13 » Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:13 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:The difference between Keyonte George and Murray is that Murray was an excellent shooter and highly efficient in College, while George is highly inefficient.

It's a legitimate concern and probably why he is dropping in mocks.

I think he will be more efficient with NBA space and coaching, probably not the peak of efficiency, but a good offensive option. He did have a 53.4% TS in conference and a 52.4% TS overall, both of which are about average for the NCAA. He was really good at getting to the line with a higher free-throw rate than:

- Scoot Henderson
- Brandon Miller
- Amen Thompson
- Ausar Thompson
- Jarace Walker
- Cam Whitmore
- Grady Dick
- Taylor Hendricks
- Brice Sensabaugh
- Nick Smith Jr.

Who are all mocked ahead of him on tankathon. I think that indicates an ability to get into the paint, and that with the paint less packed than in college his conversion rate should be better. He is also a good freethrow shooter (not amazing, 79%) and has a nice form, so I think his three point shooting will also be a bit better. That's my case for why I think he'll be more efficient at the NBA level, I like what I see a lot, but I understand misgivings based on the lack of efficiency. Note, too, that the most inefficient college players mocked in the first 20 picks of the first round (Smith, George, Jackson) are also the youngest (and in general, add Scoot to this list).
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#184 » by SoCalJazzFan » Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:49 pm

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Hoops Addict wrote:Hendricks passes the eye test for defense. He is great defensively, very fast and intimidating....if you bring weak sauce into the paint, he will easily block your shot. I see him as a Plus Defender.....that skill will translate to the nba.....he can guard 3 positions. And he shoots 39% from 3?


I’m of the belief that the Jazz are special with Markkanen at the 3. That’s why I love Hendricks but am pretty certain he’ll be long gone by then (I could see him going 4/5).

Listening to Locke this morning and found some of the numbers around the top prospects concerning. Made me more interested in trading down / out.

Just lots of poor shooting amongst the group.

I haven't listened to the Locke podcast, but that has been my concern with many of the prospects, particularly the Thompson twins and Black. Even Scoot isn't that great of a shooter, which makes me wonder if he might not go #2 given his size. On the other hand, the guys who can shoot, such as Dick and Jett, have some serious defensive concerns. Still, there are plenty of players with a lot of potential in this draft.
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Post#185 » by bkohler » Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:54 pm

Overall after listening to Locke, who definitely wasn’t trying to sell this narrative, I wonder if this draft just isn’t as good as I’ve built it up to be. Hearing some of the numbers compared to last years was kinda sobering.
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Post#186 » by SoCalJazzFan » Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:03 pm

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I'm not sold on Black right now. His shooting splits are comparable to Mathisse Thybulle. Teams are going back way off of him when he's on the ball. He has no mid-range game. I think he's a defensive-minded 2/3 who plays as a glue guy and connector. I like his defensive versatility and his ability to put pressure on the rim, but he isn't top 10 for me. If he's not going to shoot, he's not a starter, imo.

Realistically, I think the Jazz would take Hendricks or Dick at #9, then they'd take Hood-Schifino, George or Bufkin at #16. If someone reaches for Wallace or Black inside the top 8, then the Jazz would take whoever drops (e.g., Whitmore, Walker, Ausar, etc.) and run away grinning.


Black feels like a Dyson Daniels clone. I wonder what it would take NOP to part with Daniels now that some of the luster has worn off.


There are physical and statistical similarities between Daniels and Black. A couple things though: a) Daniels played in the G-league and I think scouts cut some slack on players' shooting percentages due to the size, speed and physicality of the league; b) Daniels was expected to learn to shoot, but it hasn't happened yet and he hasn't played much.

Word on the street (connection with connections, etc.) is that the Jazz like Hood-Schifino. He's big, he's a smooth and solid creator in pick-and-roll, he's got a mid-range game and he defends. He's someone to watch at #16.


I watched several Indiana games and was not overly impressed with JHS. He has good size and ok passing ability, but I didn't see him as a shooter or a successful driver to the rim. Perhaps it was the system he played in, but he seems very passive and unimpactful.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#187 » by Inigo Montoya » Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:46 pm

Admittedly, I haven't seen much of Hood-Schifino (or any other prospect) but I'm more impressed by him than many other prospects in the Jazz's range. I like him better than Keyonte George, for example.
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Post#188 » by Catchall » Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:00 am

There might be a third Thompson in this draft in Bilal Coulibaly.

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Post#189 » by D Rog » Tue Apr 18, 2023 2:22 pm

I enjoy checking out mock drafts. I probably enjoy the draft and free agency as much as I do the regular season. When I saw this mock draft I just said WOW!!! for the Jazz. It will never happen.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-alabamas-brandon-miller-moves-up-to-no-3-behind-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson/
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Post#190 » by bkohler » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:53 pm

That would be incredible, but we have better odds of landing Wemby than that happening
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Post#191 » by D Rog » Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:46 pm

Ya... If I am CBS sports, the employee that put that mock draft together is due for a piss test
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Post#192 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:14 pm

What am I missing in this mock draft? What is so abnormal apart of them having the Jazz selecting two power forwards?
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Post#193 » by bkohler » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:28 pm

There’s a good chance that Walker and Hendricks go 4/5. Them falling to 9/16 is very very unlikely (but would be awesome). The comps are probably Paul Milsap and Jonathan Isaac w/ a three point shot respectively.
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Post#194 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:33 pm

What are we going to do with two rookie PFs when we already have Markkanen? It makes little sense to me.
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Post#195 » by Catchall » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:55 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:What are we going to do with two rookie PFs when we already have Markkanen? It makes little sense to me.


Walker and Hendricks are probably an either/or proposition. I don't think the Jazz would draft both of them. Markkanen can play at the 3 next to either of them.

Hood-Schifino seems like a strong possibility for the Jazz at #16 if he's there.
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Post#196 » by SoCalJazzFan » Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:59 pm

Catchall wrote:There might be a third Thompson in this draft in Bilal Coulibaly.

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He's one of my swing for the fences guys if the Jazz keep their #28 pick and he is there.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#197 » by SoCalJazzFan » Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:54 pm

If the Jazz were to get lottery luck and draw the #2 pick, I would probably select Brandon Miller.
After viewing several videos on Scoot, I am not as sold on him as I was earlier this year when I was going all off of hype. I could potentially see him sliding a few spots.

If the Jazz keep their pick, at this juncture, and based on current mock drafts, after watching several games during the college season and many draft videos since, I'm still with Cason Wallace at #9 and Dariq Whitehead at #16. TBH, Dariq could be a steal at #16. There are only a few PGs and forwards/wings, who should be drafted before them, that could push me off of these choices.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#198 » by SoCalJazzFan » Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:46 pm

These are my current lottery picks, with some big "ifs":
1. VW
2. Brandon Miller
3. Amen Thompson (if you are convinced he can learn to shoot)
4. Ausar Thompson (ditto)
5. Scoot Henderson
6. GG Jackson (if you are convinced that he doesn't have a bad attitude and can play off ball and be a team player)
7. Cam Whitmore
8. Jerace Walker
9. Taylor Hendricks
10. Dariq Whitehead
11. Cason Wallace
12. Kris Murray
13. Bilal Coulibaly
14. Gradey DIck/ Jordan Hawkins
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Post#199 » by bkohler » Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:47 pm

As I've already brought it up, Locke's numbers also really liked:
Grant
Hawkins
Sensenbaugh
Hendricks

I find it interesting to see these popup with someone just looking at numbers and not reviewing game film.
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Post#200 » by Catchall » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:19 am

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Catchall wrote:There might be a third Thompson in this draft in Bilal Coulibaly.

;t=200s

He's one of my swing for the fences guys if the Jazz keep their #28 pick and he is there.


He won't be there at #28. Pretty sure.

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