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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#981 » by SWedd523 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:01 pm

Braggins wrote:I just feel like it takes a ton of faith to assume some of these outcomes for the twins.

Ausar shot 50% at the rim in the halfcourt vs high schoolers and was straight up bad in the halfcourt from every other area and shot type. Jimmy Butler is a top 10 impact player in the league and has won countless playoff series as a ball dominant offensive orchestrater. I don't see how anything Ausar has done at this point besides be really athletic would lead me to actually predict that kind of outcome with any level of confidence. Butler wasn't very good at that age either, but it also took one of the most impressive development curves in NBA history for him to reach that level.

6'7" Westbrook would be a multiple MVP winner. Amen averaged 20/8/8 per36 this season on 54.7% true shooting as a 20 year old playing against high-schoolers. He was also bad in the halfcourt from every area and shot type besides being 59% at the rim. Westbrook also wasn't very good at the same age, but it also required a super elite development curve for him to reach his peak level and I don't think you should be basing projections on someone having an absolutely maximally elite development curve. I honestly feel like you should be considering Amen as potential #1 over Wemby if you think he is a 6'7" Westbrook.

These projections honestly make me even more suspicious of the twins because it seems like their fans are just assuming they are going to be able to blow by everyone and dunk it every time or something in the NBA and outside of transition situations they weren't even able to do that playing against OTE competition.

I look for translatable skills and physical attributes.

They're two of the most physically gifted players in the entire draft.
They both have prototypical size for their position.
They both excel in transition.
They both show tremendous defensive potential.

From the minute they step on the court, they won't be outmatched physically or athletically. That alone is the biggest hurdle because you can't make a dude bigger or faster.


From the get-go, pretty much their only negative is going to be shooting. I'm not going to downplay that, because it is a MASSIVE negative for both of them. That's why they aren't in the #1/#2 discussion. If they could shoot, They'd be getting surefire All-Star/All-NBA grades. Watching clips of their games/workouts, it appears both guys have pretty good shot mechanics, so I'm relatively comfortable saying they'll become respectable shooters in time.

What you can't do is bank on Scoot to grow or Miller/Black to become more athletic.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#982 » by LofJ » Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:06 pm

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LofJ wrote:In one of the videos I watched of the Thompson twins an announcer said a Hornets scout was in the building, so the team is doing its due diligence on them. But man everytime I see film of them playing in HS gyms warning blinkers start flashing. They're both really athletic and they're both skilled passers, so it's not like they have nothing to work with. Ausar has pretty good form on his jump shot while Amen gives me MKG flashbacks.

But still it's easy to look dominant against the competition they were playing, even considering the fact that they were high level HS prospects. OTE isn't anywhere near the same level of play as power conference bball, much less the NBL. How are they going to adjust to real, professional offensive and defensive schemes? Will they be able to effectively score in the half court against guys even bigger and stronger than they are? It's a call I'd be scared to make, I know that much.


The OTE has real coaches. The Thompson twins coach was a HC at Depaul, UVA, head coach in Gleague. Kevin Ollie is the head of skill development, who was a National Title winning coach at Uconn. Damien Wilkins is the GM of the league. They have clearly invested in getting guys who know what they are doing. The NBA recognizes them calling them out by name in the new CBA. This isn't some random highschool league that Lavar Ball put together. The NCAA and them have a deal that allows them to maintain eligibility.

And for the talks about the talent being high school. What do you expect them to do? They lost 1 game, won the title, both hit game winners in the finals. Ausar won the MVP this year in reg season and finals mvp. Ausar won finals mvp last year too.

Do you expect them to average 40 points per game? To argue they didn't dominate the league would be a wild accusation.


I didn't know that Kevin Ollie was a coach for OTE. He's a legitimate high level coach that could have his pick of jobs. Hopefully Mitch or someone in the organization knows him and can get his honest opinion on what he thinks about the twins.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#983 » by Braggins » Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:39 pm

I think if Scoot played in the OTE he would make an absolute mockery of that league. Like 30+ ppg and 10+ apg while barely breaking a sweat.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#984 » by JMAC3 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pm

Braggins wrote:I think if Scoot played in the OTE he would make an absolute mockery of that league. Like 30+ ppg and 10+ apg while barely breaking a sweat.


I guess we will never know, what I can tell you is he was far from dominating his league. Something that Amen and Ausar did.

I think the disconnect comes from high school and people think it is the same thing happening down the road at your local gymnasium. It’s more like the talent is every game is a state championship game. So if you can go 18-1 or whatever their record was in the state championships you are probably pretty good. Or if you want to say the 10 best high schoolers from Georgia playing against the 10 best players from North Carolina. Either way this downplaying of it being high school basketball is ridiculous without context is surface level analysis.

Guys coming off the bench are getting D1 scholarships let alone the starters who are projected lottery picks and top 50 recruits going to power 5 schools.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#985 » by Braggins » Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

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Braggins wrote:I think if Scoot played in the OTE he would make an absolute mockery of that league. Like 30+ ppg and 10+ apg while barely breaking a sweat.


I guess we will never know, what I can tell you is he was far from dominating his league. Something that Amen and Ausar did.

I'm not going to bother comparing their rebounding and block numbers because the twins obviously project to be much better at those things. But, lets take a look at their per36 numbers everywhere else

(if anyone has per possession stats for the Twins or Wemby let me know!).

Scoot Henderson ~ PG ~ 6'2" 195
GLeage Ignite ~ 2/3/2004 (19.4)
21.0 pts ~ 7.8 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 4.0 tov
47.2% 2pt(14.4) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4*) ~ 55.0% ts
1.98 ast/tov
* ~ GLeague shoot 1 ft worth 2 pts until last 2 minutes

Ausar Thompson ~ G/F ~ 6'7" 207
City Reapers (OTE) ~ 1/30/2003 (20.4)
20.9 pts ~ 7.1 ast ~ 3.1 stl ~ 4.0 tov
54.5% 2pt(11.0) ~ 33.3% 3pt(5.8) ~ 70.0% ft(5.3) - 54.7% ts
1.78 ast/tov

Amen Thompson ~ G/F ~ 6'7" 202
City Reapers (OTE) ~ 1/30/2003 (20.4)
19.9 pts ~ 8.3 ast ~ 2.7 stl ~ 3.9 tov
63.7% 2pt(10.5) ~ 25.4% 3pt(3.6) ~ 68.8% ft(5.5) ~ 60.2% ts
2.12 ast/tov

Scoot is a full year younger and scoring + assisting at a similar rate vs borderline NBA players as both Thompsons are against high-school players in OTE. Scoots outside shooting indicators are better when you consider hes shooting from the NBA line and has clearly better shooting mechanics. His overall efficiency is better than Ausars slightly. Amens overall efficiency is better, but both twins efficiency numbers are being propped up by an extremely high ratio of transition vs halfcourt baskets, which is in significant part due to the crappy OTE level of competitiveness. The twins are getting more steals, but again, they are 20 year old freak athletes playing against high-schoolers and Scoot is playing against borderline NBA competition.

I think the disconnect comes from high school and people think it is the same thing happening down the road at your local gymnasium. It’s more like the talent is every game is a state championship game. So if you can go 18-1 or whatever their record was in the state championships you are probably pretty good. Or if you want to say the 10 best high schoolers from Georgia playing against the 10 best players from North Carolina. Either way this downplaying of it being high school basketball is ridiculous without context is surface level analysis.

We aren't comparing the Thompson twins to players who are playing against normal high-school basketball competition because players don't go straight from high-school to the NBA... We are comparing them to players who are playing against D1 NCAA competition and in Scoots case, borerline NBA players. Comparing the OTE to normal high-school basketball is pointless and completely irrelevant. What matters is that OTE competition is significantly worse than NCAA or GLeague competition.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#986 » by Braggins » Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:06 pm

If you want to compare the Thompson twins to someone playing against normal high-school comp, here is an example of a 15 year old who is ranked 1st in his high-school class playing an OTE team (I think the team the Thompsons played in the finals). To be fair, Boozer is considered the best NBA prospect besides Wemby right now, but still.



In Boozers two games against OTE teams he averaged 25 ppg ~ 15 rpg ~ 3.5 ast ~ 2.5 stl ~ 1 blk with 72% true shooting and 9 total dunks.
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Post#987 » by LofJ » Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:54 pm

I guess Carlos Boozer marrying an Olympic athlete worked out pretty well for his kid. He's probably going to be the number one pick in the 2026 draft. But still the kid is only 15 and outclassed players 5 years older than him. I guess it's an indication of both how talented he is and how weak the competition is.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#988 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:10 am

1. Are you sure Scoot has a higher TS% than Ausar? Seems weird Ausar can be shooting 7% better from 2 and better from 3 and still have a worse TS%. It is not as if their free throw % is worlds apart. Either way it's interesting
2. I can delve into this again, but scoring in the gleague is easy. The defense sucks, the pace is faster than college and it still has the spacing of NBA. We saw McGowens, Mark, Bouk etc all drop 30+ several times. I am not going to knock Scoot for his production, but I am also not going to reward it. Majority of guys drafted scoring average goes up from college to gleague. I can send 20 examples of1st or 2nd year guys that are slaying the gleague.
3. Josh Minott is probably kicking himself for going to college. He was 19 in the gleague to start the year and averaged 19 ppg and 8 boards in 20 games in the gleague this year on 54/36/76 shooting. Instead he went to college and averaged 6.6 ppg for Memphis. If he had went straight to the gleague we would probably be taking him top 5 in this draft with how stiff the gleague competition is...... instead of him going 45th. (SARCASM)


Braggins wrote:We aren't comparing the Thompson twins to players who are playing against normal high-school basketball competition because players don't go straight from high-school to the NBA... We are comparing them to players who are playing against D1 NCAA competition and in Scoots case, borderline NBA players. Comparing the OTE to normal high-school basketball is pointless and completely irrelevant. What matters is that OTE competition is significantly worse than NCAA or GLeague competition.


This paragraph makes no sense. My point is the OTE is closer to college than high school. From the talent, coaches, organization etc. continuing to try and downplay it like it is an awful league with awful talent is fraudulent. 85% of the league will probably play division 1 basketball at some point or professionally overseas. Where do you find high school competition like that? There were just over 60 players in the league, I would say at least 10 of them eventually play in the NBA... but yeah let's compare it to just the run of mill high school talent.

That is like someone playing professionally in Puerto Rico, but claiming they played good competition simply because it was "Pro basketball" clearly there are levels to that and if you want to be the one to ignore them I guess I can't change your mind.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#989 » by SWedd523 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:15 am

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JMAC3 wrote:
Braggins wrote:I think if Scoot played in the OTE he would make an absolute mockery of that league. Like 30+ ppg and 10+ apg while barely breaking a sweat.


I guess we will never know, what I can tell you is he was far from dominating his league. Something that Amen and Ausar did.

I'm not going to bother comparing their rebounding and block numbers because the twins obviously project to be much better at those things. But, lets take a look at their per36 numbers everywhere else

(if anyone has per possession stats for the Twins or Wemby let me know!).

Scoot Henderson ~ PG ~ 6'2" 195
GLeage Ignite ~ 2/3/2004 (19.4)
21.0 pts ~ 7.8 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 4.0 tov
47.2% 2pt(14.4) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4*) ~ 55.0% ts
1.98 ast/tov
* ~ GLeague shoot 1 ft worth 2 pts until last 2 minutes

Ausar Thompson ~ G/F ~ 6'7" 207
City Reapers (OTE) ~ 1/30/2003 (20.4)
20.9 pts ~ 7.1 ast ~ 3.1 stl ~ 4.0 tov
54.5% 2pt(11.0) ~ 33.3% 3pt(5.8) ~ 70.0% ft(5.3) - 54.7% ts
1.78 ast/tov

Amen Thompson ~ G/F ~ 6'7" 202
City Reapers (OTE) ~ 1/30/2003 (20.4)
19.9 pts ~ 8.3 ast ~ 2.7 stl ~ 3.9 tov
63.7% 2pt(10.5) ~ 25.4% 3pt(3.6) ~ 68.8% ft(5.5) ~ 60.2% ts
2.12 ast/tov

Scoot is a full year younger and scoring + assisting at a similar rate vs borderline NBA players as both Thompsons are against high-school players in OTE. Scoots outside shooting indicators are better when you consider hes shooting from the NBA line and has clearly better shooting mechanics. His overall efficiency is better than Ausars slightly. Amens overall efficiency is better, but both twins efficiency numbers are being propped up by an extremely high ratio of transition vs halfcourt baskets, which is in significant part due to the crappy OTE level of competitiveness. The twins are getting more steals, but again, they are 20 year old freak athletes playing against high-schoolers and Scoot is playing against borderline NBA competition.

I think the disconnect comes from high school and people think it is the same thing happening down the road at your local gymnasium. It’s more like the talent is every game is a state championship game. So if you can go 18-1 or whatever their record was in the state championships you are probably pretty good. Or if you want to say the 10 best high schoolers from Georgia playing against the 10 best players from North Carolina. Either way this downplaying of it being high school basketball is ridiculous without context is surface level analysis.

We aren't comparing the Thompson twins to players who are playing against normal high-school basketball competition because players don't go straight from high-school to the NBA... We are comparing them to players who are playing against D1 NCAA competition and in Scoots case, borerline NBA players. Comparing the OTE to normal high-school basketball is pointless and completely irrelevant. What matters is that OTE competition is significantly worse than NCAA or GLeague competition.



I don't think anyone is arguing for the twins over Scoot, are they?
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#990 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:16 am

Braggins wrote:If you want to compare the Thompson twins to someone playing against normal high-school comp, here is an example of a 15 year old who is ranked 1st in his high-school class playing an OTE team (I think the team the Thompsons played in the finals). To be fair, Boozer is considered the best NBA prospect besides Wemby right now, but still.



In Boozers two games against OTE teams he averaged 25 ppg ~ 15 rpg ~ 3.5 ast ~ 2.5 stl ~ 1 blk with 72% true shooting and 9 total dunks.


I mean if you want to hang your whole draft theory on 1 game. Sure.

I believe this was the 1st or 2nd game of the year for the Yng Dreamerz, so doubt they played even half as well as they did in the finals. Even still 25 points isn't 50 lol. Which is what he probably would score if he played a real high school team instead of the OTE.

If the Twins didn't dominate the league I could see people having doubts, but again they lost 1 game. Won the finals. Were the 2 best players in the league.

but let's glorify Scoot because he put up good numbers on a losing team in the Gleague. Something anyone with an NBA contract should be able to do regardless of if they are top 5 pick or the 55th pick.
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Post#991 » by SWedd523 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:18 am

LofJ wrote:I guess Carlos Boozer marrying an Olympic athlete worked out pretty well for his kid. He's probably going to be the number one pick in the 2026 draft. But still the kid is only 15 and outclassed players 5 years older than him. I guess it's an indication of both how talented he is and how weak the competition is.

I went and looked to see if Shelden Williams and Candance Parker had any kids.

No boys, but their daughter has to be destined to be the GOAT WNBA player
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#992 » by Braggins » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:52 am

JMAC3 wrote:1. Are you sure Scoot has a higher TS% than Ausar? Seems weird Ausar can be shooting 7% better from 2 and better from 3 and still have a worse TS%. It is not as if their free throw % is worlds apart. Either way it's interesting
2. I can delve into this again, but scoring in the gleague is easy. The defense sucks, the pace is faster than college and it still has the spacing of NBA. We saw McGowens, Mark, Bouk etc all drop 30+ several times. I am not going to knock Scoot for his production, but I am also not going to reward it. Majority of guys drafted scoring average goes up from college to gleague. I can send 20 examples of1st or 2nd year guys that are slaying the gleague.
3. Josh Minott is probably kicking himself for going to college. He was 19 in the gleague to start the year and averaged 19 ppg and 8 boards in 20 games in the gleague this year on 54/36/76 shooting. Instead he went to college and averaged 6.6 ppg for Memphis. If he had went straight to the gleague we would probably be taking him top 5 in this draft with how stiff the gleague competition is...... instead of him going 45th. (SARCASM)

We're talking about GLeague vs OTE and now you are trying to make it about GLeague vs NCAA to make GLeague look worse while ignoring that OTE is still worse than both of them by a significant margin.

JMAC3 wrote:This paragraph makes no sense. My point is the OTE is closer to college than high school. From the talent, coaches, organization etc. continuing to try and downplay it like it is an awful league with awful talent is fraudulent. 85% of the league will probably play division 1 basketball at some point or professionally overseas. Where do you find high school competition like that? There were just over 60 players in the league, I would say at least 10 of them eventually play in the NBA... but yeah let's compare it to just the run of mill high school talent.

That is like someone playing professionally in Puerto Rico, but claiming they played good competition simply because it was "Pro basketball" clearly there are levels to that and if you want to be the one to ignore them I guess I can't change your mind.

No one is comparing OTE to normal high school or comparing the Thompson's twins OTE stats to other players normal high school stats. We are comparing OTE to GLeague and trying to compare stats from OTE to GLeague (or in other cases OTE vs NCAA)... It has no relevancy to anything we are talking about to compare OTE to normal high school because no one is trying to make that comparison or say that OTE is as bad as normal high school basketball, but its just a fact that its a league of high-school players that are mostly still teenagers... I feel like you are either intentionally being obtuse here or trying to make a straw man argument.

To be clear, my level of confidence in my own evaluation of the Thompson twins is pretty low. I'm not going to act like I definitely think they are super overrated or anything, but saying stuff like Amen has a 20% chance to basically be a multi mvp winner and one of the best players of all time based on what he has done in the OTE just seems wild to me tbh.

JMAC3 wrote:I mean if you want to hang your whole draft theory on 1 game. Sure.

Dude, come on, Ive made plenty of different points about the Thompson twins all throughout the season, many of which are backed up with stats. My argument obviously doesn't hinge on those two Boozer games... I'm just gonna leave the argument alone...
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Post#993 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 am

Braggins wrote:No one is comparing OTE to normal high school or comparing the Thompson's twins OTE stats to other players normal high school stats. We are comparing OTE to GLeague and trying to compare stats from OTE to GLeague (or in other cases OTE vs NCAA)... It has no relevancy to anything we are talking about to compare OTE to normal high school because no one is trying to make that comparison or say that OTE is as bad as normal high school basketball, but its just a fact that its a league of high-school players that are mostly still teenagers... I feel like you are either intentionally being obtuse here or trying to make a straw man argument.

To be clear, my level of confidence in my own evaluation of the Thompson twins is pretty low. I'm not going to act like I definitely think they are super overrated or anything, but saying stuff like Amen has a 20% chance to basically be a multi mvp winner and one of the best players of all time based on what he has done in the OTE just seems wild to me tbh.


You keep saying you are not comparing it to high school, but literally you can't bring up OTE without mentioning High School to knock it. Again my point is OTE is a lot more like college than high school... none of it really matters though because nobody is claiming the Thompson Twins should be high picks based on their production in the OTE. They are high draft prospects for their physical tools and the flashes on tape are elite no matter what level they are playing at. The fact they also were the best players in OTE is just icing on the cake.

You do realize that players used to come out from high school straight to the NBA right? Kobe, Dwight, Tmac, JR Smith etc etc were playing bums! Teams with 10x less talent than in the OTE. Yet they still were good picks. Arguing Dwight vs Okafor because Okafor played better talent would of done you no good. At a certain point physical tools matter more than production or competition level.

Imagine in 2 years NBA changed rules and Player X was the best player in high school basketball and an NBA team was willing to take them #1 would you just simply refuse to take them because they played bad competition? Yet Amen and Ausar were the best players in a league better than high school basketball, but yet you use them dominating that league as a knock.
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Post#994 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:18 am

Braggins wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
Braggins wrote:I think if Scoot played in the OTE he would make an absolute mockery of that league. Like 30+ ppg and 10+ apg while barely breaking a sweat.


I guess we will never know, what I can tell you is he was far from dominating his league. Something that Amen and Ausar did.

I'm not going to bother comparing their rebounding and block numbers because the twins obviously project to be much better at those things. But, lets take a look at their per36 numbers everywhere else

(if anyone has per possession stats for the Twins or Wemby let me know!).

Scoot Henderson ~ PG ~ 6'2" 195
GLeage Ignite ~ 2/3/2004 (19.4)
21.0 pts ~ 7.8 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 4.0 tov
47.2% 2pt(14.4) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4*) ~ 55.0% ts
1.98 ast/tov
* ~ GLeague shoot 1 ft worth 2 pts until last 2 minutes

Ausar Thompson ~ G/F ~ 6'7" 207
City Reapers (OTE) ~ 1/30/2003 (20.4)
20.9 pts ~ 7.1 ast ~ 3.1 stl ~ 4.0 tov
54.5% 2pt(11.0) ~ 33.3% 3pt(5.8) ~ 70.0% ft(5.3) - 54.7% ts
1.78 ast/tov

Amen Thompson ~ G/F ~ 6'7" 202
City Reapers (OTE) ~ 1/30/2003 (20.4)
19.9 pts ~ 8.3 ast ~ 2.7 stl ~ 3.9 tov
63.7% 2pt(10.5) ~ 25.4% 3pt(3.6) ~ 68.8% ft(5.5) ~ 60.2% ts
2.12 ast/tov


This is less about comparing OTE to Gleague but more about just how overrated the gleague is when you look at stats.

Michael Foster Jr was the same exact age last year in the Gleague as Scoot was this year here are his per 36 stats. He went undrafted and is still unsigned by an NBA team.

17.8 PTS 10.5 REB 2.4 AST 2.3 BLK 0.9 STL

I will say again for the 100th time. Putting up numbers in the gleague isn't hard. It's not hard at all.
If you are drafted in the top 40 picks, you should be able to average 15 ppg a game in the G.

Kai Jones had baby dear legs as a rookie last year and averaged 16.5 ppg and 9.6 boards. Again, this is last year in 30 mins. This isn't even his per 36 numbers.

He averaged 8.8 ppg his last year in college. So nearly doubled his scoring avg in the Gleague.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#995 » by Braggins » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:23 am

The Thompson twins aren't high school prospects. They graduated high-school in 2021 and neither of them were ranked top 20 in their high school class. They are 20 year olds that graduated high-school two years ago, but played against high-schoolers this season.

The stats that guys like Kobe, TMac, KG, etc, put up when they were in high school blow the Thompson twins normal high-school numbers out of the water. This comparison doesn't really help their case.

I keep referring to OTE as "high-school" or "high-schoolers" because thats literally what they are... I'm not doing a bunch of mental gymnastics to dance around the fact that the Thompson twins are college sophomore aged players that played in a league with a bunch of high-schoolers. The OTE is worse than D1 NCAA major conference competition by a significant margin and not even in the same stratosphere as the GLeague.

Putting up numbers in the GLeague or NCAA is harder than putting up numbers in the OTE... It is what it is and must be taken into account when trying to evaluate the Thompson twins and compare them to other players. Don't really know what else to say tbh.
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Post#996 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:32 am

Lester Quiones is averaging over 20 ppg in the gleague over 49 games this year as an undrafted rookie.
He played 3 years at Memphis and averaged 10 ppg pretty much each year.

Peyton Watson is averaging 20 ppg in 19 games this year as a late first.
He averaged 3.3 ppg in college for UCLA in 32 games.

Blake Wesley averaged 19.6 ppg in 14 games this year as a late first.
He averaged 14.4 ppg in college for Notre Dame.

Scoot averaged 17.6 ppg this year in 25 games in Gleague
That is good for the 77th best scoring average for guys that played at least 10 games in the gleague this year.

I full expect any of the projected top 10 picks would have averaged 15 ppg in the Gleague.
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Post#997 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:34 am

Braggins wrote:The Thompson twins aren't high school prospects. They graduated high-school in 2021 and neither of them were ranked top 20 in their high school class. They are 20 year olds that graduated high-school two years ago, but played against high-schoolers this season.

The stats that guys like Kobe, TMac, KG, etc, put up when they were in high school blow the Thompson twins normal high-school numbers out of the water. This comparison doesn't really help their case.

I keep referring to OTE as "high-school" or "high-schoolers" because thats literally what they are... I'm not doing a bunch of mental gymnastics to dance around the fact that the Thompson twins are college sophomore aged players that played in a league with a bunch of high-schoolers. The OTE is worse than D1 NCAA major conference competition by a significant margin and not even in the same stratosphere as the GLeague.

Putting up numbers in the GLeague or NCAA is harder than putting up numbers in the OTE... It is what it is and must be taken into account when trying to evaluate the Thompson twins and compare them to other players. Don't really know what else to say tbh.


This is wrong, they left high school as Juniors and opted to play their senior year in OTE instead of high school. This being there second year in OTE would have been their freshman year in college.
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Post#998 » by Braggins » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:43 am

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Braggins wrote:The Thompson twins aren't high school prospects. They graduated high-school in 2021 and neither of them were ranked top 20 in their high school class. They are 20 year olds that graduated high-school two years ago, but played against high-schoolers this season.

This is wrong, they left high school as Juniors and opted to play their senior year in OTE instead of high school. This being there second year in OTE would have been their freshman year in college.

I did not know that. I was wrong that they graduated two years ago instead of *would have graduated one year ago*. It doesn't really change the point, though. They are still currently 20 years old and this was their college sophomore age season (sounds like they were a bit old for their high-school class if they turn 20 the year after they were set to graduate originally) and they were playing against high-schoolers.

When they were still in high-school they were ranked 30/31 in the composite rankings for their class.
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Post#999 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:46 am

It legit would be the same for most of the top 10 guys.
Anthony Black averaged 12.8 ppg in 34 mins for an Arkansas team that scored 74 ppg
The Ignite averaged 108.8 ppg

You honestly don't think Nick Smith Jr or Black are averaging more ppg if given Scoots mins for the ignite?
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Post#1000 » by JMAC3 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:55 am

Leonard Miller is projected to go 26th, if you need further proof that gleague stats are meaningless and putting up numbers is easy.

Here are his per 36 numbers, he is like 2 months older than Scoot.
20.5 PTS 12.3 REB 1.9 AST 1.0 BLK 1.2 STL

By peoples broken math that scoring is harder in the Gleague than in college, Miller probably is putting up 25 ppg in college? LOL.

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