GSW Dynasty is Over.

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Re: GSW Dynasty is Over. 

Post#141 » by Edrees » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:51 am

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Edrees wrote:Curry's still in his prime and Klay has rebounded as a player, and the Warriors have Wiggins. They can most certaintly re-tool their roster to stay in contention for as long as Curry is at an elite level.

Only reasons Spurs were contenders for so long was Tim Duncan. He was still an elite player during their 5th championship, just playing less minutes. The warriors with Curry will be the same.


They're bad defensively now, with Klay no longer able to harass opposing PGs the way he used to, which was one of most underrated aspects of the Warriors from years past. Wiggins is basically the "equivalent" rabbit out of the hat as the Spurs trading for Kawhi, but he's obviously nowhere near Kawhi's level, though he absolutely contributed last year.

And then as I said before, there's the matter of the luxury tax, which is far more punitive now and the Warriors are pushed hard against. The Spurs didn't have role players asking for the type of money that Poole and Draymond wanted.


I would say Wiggins was better in the Warriors 2022 playoff run as Kawhi was in Spurs 2014 playoffs run, if you consider all playoffs and not just the finals. Kawhi was only better in the finals. For example in 2014, Kawhi had 11.8 ppg on .412% shooting against OKC and Spurs still won 4-2 because Duncan/Ginobli were still really good.

But, your 2nd paragraph is a strong point which may be what prevents the Warrriors from being able to retool like the Spurs did. Also, Pop is a better coach than Kerr. I think think it's a fair comparison overall though.
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Post#142 » by rtiff68 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:10 am

The WWE comparison is ridiculous guys, c’mon.

One is literally an admittedly scripted show, while the other is one of the more significant professional sports leagues in the world.
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Post#143 » by rtiff68 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:13 am

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rtiff68 wrote:I will never understand why people who truly believe that the league is rigged spend their time watching it, talking about it, and even posting about it with anonymous strangers online.


I don't think its actually rigged. It's definitely biased in that certain players/teams get friendlier whistles but not rigged.


This describes every competitive contest in human history, though. No official is literally perfectly neutral for a myriad of reasons— if one thinks it’s SO bad that it’s deliberate and contrived, then why watch? That’s the real question no one can answer sensibly…
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Re: GSW Dynasty is Over. 

Post#144 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:38 am

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DonaldSanders wrote:Lmao, nobody is trading Steph. Draymond likely opts out to be with his BFF LeBron and Klay or Poole might get traded. Retool, not rebuild.

Last run for the core trio being together but you can still build a team with Steph.



No, it’s over. You don’t build around a 35 year old.


I'll bet money that Phoenix tries to build around 35 year old KD next year, and building around 35 year old LeBron would have been fine. I'm not saying they have a long window, but if I was running GS, I'd go for one or two more runs at the title. The West is reasonably open. Lots of good teams, but none of them unbeatable.

At some point, if another team offered me 5 first round picks for Steph, I'd consider it, but I'd probably say no this off-season. Or, I might ask Steph what he wanted, in a private meeting.
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Post#145 » by WESCO » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:15 am

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Phreak50 wrote:The most lucky, flukiest team in nba history.

Injuries to opponents, a player that swears at refs and nut kicks players often without consequence and the most disgraceful run of moving screens ever.

The league wanted a golden boy and simply created it out of nothing.

Curry wouldn’t get a shot off in the late 80s and early 90s and would barely be a bench spark for most teams.

30 years following this league and never seen anything so laughable as the Warriors.

Pretty impressed by following the league for 30 years and still seemingly having the knowledge of the game of a toddler.

You're obviously entitled to your opinion but sometimes it's better to keep it to yourself. As Abraham Lincoln said: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.



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Post#147 » by One Last Shot » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:34 am

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Edrees wrote:Curry's still in his prime and Klay has rebounded as a player, and the Warriors have Wiggins. They can most certaintly re-tool their roster to stay in contention for as long as Curry is at an elite level.

Only reasons Spurs were contenders for so long was Tim Duncan. He was still an elite player during their 5th championship, just playing less minutes. The warriors with Curry will be the same.


They're bad defensively now, with Klay no longer able to harass opposing PGs the way he used to, which was one of most underrated aspects of the Warriors from years past. Wiggins is basically the "equivalent" rabbit out of the hat as the Spurs trading for Kawhi, but he's obviously nowhere near Kawhi's level, though he absolutely contributed last year.

And then as I said before, there's the matter of the luxury tax, which is far more punitive now and the Warriors are pushed hard against. The Spurs didn't have role players asking for the type of money that Poole and Draymond wanted.


I would say Wiggins was better in the Warriors 2022 playoff run as Kawhi was in Spurs 2014 playoffs run, if you consider all playoffs and not just the finals. Kawhi was only better in the finals. For example in 2014, Kawhi had 11.8 ppg on .412% shooting against OKC and Spurs still won 4-2 because Duncan/Ginobli were still really good.

But, your 2nd paragraph is a strong point which may be what prevents the Warrriors from being able to retool like the Spurs did. Also, Pop is a better coach than Kerr. I think think it's a fair comparison overall though.


You also have to consider who they beat because it's indicative how they will perform. Nuggets without their top 2 players. Grizzlies without their best player. Mavs who overachieved and without Hardaway then Celtics with Tatum playing through a wrist injury. Could be one of the easiest road to ship besides the rings they won when they recruit KD to their 73-win core, I won't even mention the 2015 championship.
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Post#148 » by Zvaart » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:45 am

Phreak50 wrote:The most lucky, flukiest team in nba history.

Injuries to opponents, a player that swears at refs and nut kicks players often without consequence and the most disgraceful run of moving screens ever.

The league wanted a golden boy and simply created it out of nothing.

Curry wouldn’t get a shot off in the late 80s and early 90s and would barely be a bench spark for most teams.

30 years following this league and never seen anything so laughable as the Warriors.


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Post#149 » by baldur » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:25 am

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nbafan38 wrote:
rtiff68 wrote:I will never understand why people who truly believe that the league is rigged spend their time watching it, talking about it, and even posting about it with anonymous strangers online.


I don't think its actually rigged. It's definitely biased in that certain players/teams get friendlier whistles but not rigged.


This describes every competitive contest in human history, though. No official is literally perfectly neutral for a myriad of reasons— if one thinks it’s SO bad that it’s deliberate and contrived, then why watch? That’s the real question no one can answer sensibly…



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Post#150 » by Edrees » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:20 am

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dc wrote:
They're bad defensively now, with Klay no longer able to harass opposing PGs the way he used to, which was one of most underrated aspects of the Warriors from years past. Wiggins is basically the "equivalent" rabbit out of the hat as the Spurs trading for Kawhi, but he's obviously nowhere near Kawhi's level, though he absolutely contributed last year.

And then as I said before, there's the matter of the luxury tax, which is far more punitive now and the Warriors are pushed hard against. The Spurs didn't have role players asking for the type of money that Poole and Draymond wanted.


I would say Wiggins was better in the Warriors 2022 playoff run as Kawhi was in Spurs 2014 playoffs run, if you consider all playoffs and not just the finals. Kawhi was only better in the finals. For example in 2014, Kawhi had 11.8 ppg on .412% shooting against OKC and Spurs still won 4-2 because Duncan/Ginobli were still really good.

But, your 2nd paragraph is a strong point which may be what prevents the Warrriors from being able to retool like the Spurs did. Also, Pop is a better coach than Kerr. I think think it's a fair comparison overall though.


You also have to consider who they beat because it's indicative how they will perform. Nuggets without their top 2 players. Grizzlies without their best player. Mavs who overachieved and without Hardaway then Celtics with Tatum playing through a wrist injury. Could be one of the easiest road to ship besides the rings they won when they recruit KD to their 73-win core, I won't even mention the 2015 championship.


The spurs had tons of injuries to other teams during their run too. A healthy Brandon Roy, Greg Oden and Aldridge could have prevented them from winning many titles. Yao ming career ended before he could even enter his prime. It's not really objective to sya the warriors faced injured teams and just ignore the benefits other Champs had from hundreds of key injuries to star players over the years.
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Post#151 » by Hans1984 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:32 am

It has been for a while.
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Post#152 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:00 am

DonaldSanders wrote:Lmao, nobody is trading Steph. Draymond likely opts out to be with his BFF LeBron and Klay or Poole might get traded. Retool, not rebuild.

Last run for the core trio being together but you can still build a team with Steph.


The time to retool was when the Warriors had the #2 and #7 picks. Instead of trading those picks for an impact player, they drafted busts with them.
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Post#153 » by One Last Shot » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:06 am

Edrees wrote:
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I would say Wiggins was better in the Warriors 2022 playoff run as Kawhi was in Spurs 2014 playoffs run, if you consider all playoffs and not just the finals. Kawhi was only better in the finals. For example in 2014, Kawhi had 11.8 ppg on .412% shooting against OKC and Spurs still won 4-2 because Duncan/Ginobli were still really good.

But, your 2nd paragraph is a strong point which may be what prevents the Warrriors from being able to retool like the Spurs did. Also, Pop is a better coach than Kerr. I think think it's a fair comparison overall though.


You also have to consider who they beat because it's indicative how they will perform. Nuggets without their top 2 players. Grizzlies without their best player. Mavs who overachieved and without Hardaway then Celtics with Tatum playing through a wrist injury. Could be one of the easiest road to ship besides the rings they won when they recruit KD to their 73-win core, I won't even mention the 2015 championship.


The spurs had tons of injuries to other teams during their run too. A healthy Brandon Roy, Greg Oden and Aldridge could have prevented them from winning many titles. Yao ming career ended before he could even enter his prime. It's not really objective to sya the warriors faced injured teams and just ignore the benefits other Champs had from hundreds of key injuries to star players over the years.


Brandon Roy was drafted in 2006 so unless he won a ring as a rookie like Magic, just one title not many, the 2014 championship. Yao has T-mac, dude never got out of 1st round no matter how good he was but you can hypothetically build a new core around Yao if he remains healthy so there's that. Don't get me wrong, a ring is a ring. Steph arguably in the Top 10 GOAT, we should know by now how difficult it is to get one but not all rings are created equal.
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Post#154 » by HumbleRen » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:10 am

HumbleRen wrote:Can we please allow the Warriors to play at home before we end the dynasty lol.


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Post#155 » by Pennebaker » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:59 am

If this series goes 7 games I'm favoring experience in game 7, even if at that point the home team hadn't lost a game in the series.
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Post#156 » by Myth » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:30 am

rtiff68 wrote:The WWE comparison is ridiculous guys, c’mon.

One is literally an admittedly scripted show, while the other is one of the more significant professional sports leagues in the world.

I don’t know if I’d quite call the WWE “one of the more significant professional sports leagues.”
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Post#157 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:35 am

Hans1984 wrote:It has been for a while.


u do know we won the chip last year, right? :lol:
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Post#158 » by meekrab » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:40 am

Imagine if an actual dynasty team went 11-30 on the road for a season.
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Post#159 » by Onus » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:40 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
DonaldSanders wrote:Lmao, nobody is trading Steph. Draymond likely opts out to be with his BFF LeBron and Klay or Poole might get traded. Retool, not rebuild.

Last run for the core trio being together but you can still build a team with Steph.


The time to retool was when the Warriors had the #2 and #7 picks. Instead of trading those picks for an impact player, they drafted busts with them.

They traded the no 2 pick for gp2 an impact player
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