2023 Draft Discussion Part III

[Rapsfan07]

What do guys here think of Marcus Sasser?

He's a 4 year college senior. Already 22. And he's 6'1. So there are the negatives.

He's a 38+% 3pt shooter.. one of the better in his draft class. He's got a really fast/tight dribble. Gets a lot of steals (averaged 1.6 a game). Has a BPM of 12 which is nuts. Has basically a 60% TS% which is nuts for a guard.

As an older player he'll be able to contribute right away.

He's mocked lower in the draft (high 20's) - likely due to age. Could try to buy another pick or trade down (Brooklyn has #21 and #22).

Someone at SI labeled him the best shooting PG in the draft too:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/best-shooter-for-each-position-in-2023-nba-draft

Marcus Sasser shot 38.4% from three this past season for Houston. The high level shot-making guard has a great combination of elite shooting ability off the catch and off the dribble. He ranked in the 95th percentile in catch and shoot jumpers as he shot a ridiculous 45.2% on all jumpers off the catch. He has the ability to play off the ball and operate next to other star caliber players who need the ball on offense. What separates him from most lead guards is that he can legitimately create his own shot off the bounce. He has an elite step-back jumper with a great handle to create so much separation.

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I liked him last year with our second round pick and he shot it a lot better. He came back this year and his team fell short and he didn't make a marked improvement on anything.

Ultimately, I like the defense, the shooting is NBA level, but is he a good enough playmaker? I don't think we can survive with a 6'1/6'2 shooting guard. Guys like Seth Curry and Bryn Forbes have a role, but they are 8th men because size wise they can't defend well enough.

If we were to be in the 20s, I'd draft Colby Jones and Brandin Podziemski or take a flyer on Maxwell Lewis or Terq Smith ahead of Sasser. To me, he is still a late first, early second type. Perfect fit for a playoff contender.

My thoughts exactly. I might even swing on Cissoko over Sasser tbh.

But I do like him a lot and I think he'd be like a Kendrick Nunn type.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Our team desperately needs a guy like Marcus Sasser. Would fit very well with Scottie and Jakob IMO.

[grant101]

Our team desperately needs a guy like Marcus Sasser. Would fit very well with Scottie and Jakob IMO.

Agreed. I wouldn't take him with the 13th pick, but if we can pick up another first, Sasser would be an excellent addition. The guy is a pro. I have him ranked well above guys like Flynn, Banton and RHJ

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[HumbleRen]

I’m back on the Keyonte George train now that Nurse is gone.

[Rapsfan07]

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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?

Hopefully we either draft or sign guys with that ability. Orlando has done project 6’9” better than us. They have guys who can shoot. Isaac, Wagner, and Banchero fit our playing style to a tee.

We have options in this draft but we played ourselves out of that spot. I’m willing to bet a team like Orlando or Dallas add Hendricks.

So we’re left with the likes of inefficient guards. My hope is that someone falls, or we rise in the lottery.

Have they though?

Bottom 5 finish.
15 games below .500
Their overrated #1 pick Banchero had a 52% TS% and doesn't play defense. lol
Fultz and Suggs (2/3 of the guard rotation) shoot below 33% from 3.
Isaac didn't even play this year.
Our team 3pt% is 28th worst, they're 24th.
Also, they're not even that long.

Y'all overrate the Magic too much. Call me when they actually accomplish something.

Not sure how you can dispute that the Magic have better young pieces with potential than we do.

[Rapsfan07]

I’m back on the Keyonte George train now that Nurse is gone.

Some what George is able to do with the ball in his hands is absolutely beautiful. Give me Beal vibes. But that FG% is terrifying...I think that although I was on the train before, I've officially hopped off. There are just too many guards 16-30 that make more sense long term IMO

[MavCarter]

I know when you draft in the lottery you always go for BPA but i want a legitimate shot creator/scorer so bad. Whens the last time we drafted one in the first round?

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I can't bring myself to like George over Kobe Bufkin. Bufkin has the foundation for superior scoring efficiency and defensive gameplay.

[HangTime]

Any chance Arthur Kaluma goes undrafted?

[DreamTeam09]

I can't bring myself to like George over Kobe Bufkin. Bufkin has the foundation for superior scoring efficiency and defensive gameplay.

Isn't George the better defensive prospect between the two. I've heard announcers and them scouting videos rave about his defensive upside. He is definitely gonna end up the bigger player.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I can't bring myself to like George over Kobe Bufkin. Bufkin has the foundation for superior scoring efficiency and defensive gameplay.

Isn't George the better defensive prospect between the two. I've heard announcers and them scouting videos rave about his defensive upside. He is definitely gonna end up the bigger player.

Bufkin has better POA defensive upside and demonstrates surprising shot blocking ability for a guard. George had a 1.1 DBPM this year and seems to not be engaged quite often while Kobe's was 2.2 pts higher. They are the same age.

[DreamTeam09]

I can't bring myself to like George over Kobe Bufkin. Bufkin has the foundation for superior scoring efficiency and defensive gameplay.

Isn't George the better defensive prospect between the two. I've heard announcers and them scouting videos rave about his defensive upside. He is definitely gonna end up the bigger player.

Bufkin has better POA defensive upside and demonstrates surprising shot blocking ability for a guard. George had a 1.1 DBPM this year and seems to not be engaged quite often while Kobe's was 2.2 pts higher. They are the same age.

Cool cool, I think I'd still gamble on George, but i'm not saying that like ino everything about either player

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

"According to Cerebro Sports, Bufkin is one of three high major Division I players with 30+ minutes per game, 30+ games played and a usage over 20% to score over 60 in each of their individual metrics. He was just one of 12 players in all of Division I, regardless of level, to have this distinction and was No. 4 on that list in terms of his overall C-RAM score of 9.2. The other high major players on that list are potential lottery pick, Anthony Black of Arkansas, and Devin Carter from Providence."

[ATLTimekeeper]

"According to Cerebro Sports, Bufkin is one of three high major Division I players with 30+ minutes per game, 30+ games played and a usage over 20% to score over 60 in each of their individual metrics. He was just one of 12 players in all of Division I, regardless of level, to have this distinction and was No. 4 on that list in terms of his overall C-RAM score of 9.2. The other high major players on that list are potential lottery pick, Anthony Black of Arkansas, and Devin Carter from Providence."

C-RAM looks kind of interesting, do they have a database to compare with actual NBA players from the NCAA? I don't think it could tell you much within an individual season.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

"According to Cerebro Sports, Bufkin is one of three high major Division I players with 30+ minutes per game, 30+ games played and a usage over 20% to score over 60 in each of their individual metrics. He was just one of 12 players in all of Division I, regardless of level, to have this distinction and was No. 4 on that list in terms of his overall C-RAM score of 9.2. The other high major players on that list are potential lottery pick, Anthony Black of Arkansas, and Devin Carter from Providence."

C-RAM looks kind of interesting, do they have a database to compare with actual NBA players from the NCAA? I don't think it could tell you much within an individual season.

Probably but you need to pay their subscription to get access to anything other than NBA stats.

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Hopefully we either draft or sign guys with that ability. Orlando has done project 6’9” better than us. They have guys who can shoot. Isaac, Wagner, and Banchero fit our playing style to a tee.

We have options in this draft but we played ourselves out of that spot. I’m willing to bet a team like Orlando or Dallas add Hendricks.

So we’re left with the likes of inefficient guards. My hope is that someone falls, or we rise in the lottery.

Have they though?

Bottom 5 finish.
15 games below .500
Their overrated #1 pick Banchero had a 52% TS% and doesn't play defense. lol
Fultz and Suggs (2/3 of the guard rotation) shoot below 33% from 3.
Isaac didn't even play this year.
Our team 3pt% is 28th worst, they're 24th.
Also, they're not even that long.

Y'all overrate the Magic too much. Call me when they actually accomplish something.

Not sure how you can dispute that the Magic have better young pieces with potential than we do.

Who would you rather have Barnes and OG or Banchero and Wagner?

Koloko = Suggs
Trent = Anthony

[Psubs]

"According to Cerebro Sports, Bufkin is one of three high major Division I players with 30+ minutes per game, 30+ games played and a usage over 20% to score over 60 in each of their individual metrics. He was just one of 12 players in all of Division I, regardless of level, to have this distinction and was No. 4 on that list in terms of his overall C-RAM score of 9.2. The other high major players on that list are potential lottery pick, Anthony Black of Arkansas, and Devin Carter from Providence."

C-RAM looks kind of interesting, do they have a database to compare with actual NBA players from the NCAA? I don't think it could tell you much within an individual season.

Podz played 32 games at 36 mins with a usage of 25.6% with a BPM of 10.6. I think I might draft him over Bufkin. I think he could be like a mix of Bogdan Bogdanovic and Josh Hart.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I'm not a fan of Banchero, never have been. I'd rather have Barnes and OG on my roster. Like Wagner but Banchero is yuck.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?

Hopefully we either draft or sign guys with that ability. Orlando has done project 6’9” better than us. They have guys who can shoot. Isaac, Wagner, and Banchero fit our playing style to a tee.

We have options in this draft but we played ourselves out of that spot. I’m willing to bet a team like Orlando or Dallas add Hendricks.

So we’re left with the likes of inefficient guards. My hope is that someone falls, or we rise in the lottery.

Have they though?

Bottom 5 finish.
15 games below .500
Their overrated #1 pick Banchero had a 52% TS% and doesn't play defense. lol
Fultz and Suggs (2/3 of the guard rotation) shoot below 33% from 3.
Isaac didn't even play this year.
Our team 3pt% is 28th worst, they're 24th.
Also, they're not even that long.

Y'all overrate the Magic too much. Call me when they actually accomplish something.

It’s about projection. At this point in time the Magic have a brighter future than us. Of course, we have been trying to win while they have been tanking, but the results speak for themselves. High picks when you’re good at drafting are more valuable than first round exits and play-in losses.

Orlando saw that Vucevic was a 20/10 guy but not good for the future so they shipped him to a mediocre team for picks. We can do that with Siakam too, as long as we’re not too attached to him.