Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[GTR11]

What are your thoughts on bringing Brook back?

He's an UFA and would be perfect IMO as he'd add size, rebounding, rim protection, 3 ball and vet presence

In a heartbeat! One of my all-time favorite Nets. I was sorry to see him go. And if he returns, he'll be the first player to put in 10 seasons with the team. For me, that's a weird omen that the Nets have finally established some kind of continuity and stability of sorts.

Lopez would solve the rebounding issue and strength and a three-point shooting big; at that point, you still need to cut all the extra fat. One of DFS/Royce has to go and Dinwiddie is a facilitator that either needs to be regulated to the bench or traded. With Brook, you have to figure, what does the team do with Claxton? Does Brook come off the bench or start? Brook is starter material. In an ideal world, you hope Luka/Trae become available and cut the dead weight.

Hard to anticipate anything until we see how coaching will form.
Ben - Din - Patty
CamJ - Sumner/CamT
Bridges - Joe
Royce - DFS
Nic - Sharpe

Few things that stand out for me is Joe and Din contracts. At 18 and 20m both very expensive commodity. Can have Reggie Jackson for half of that salary. Lots of much cheaper options for both to say least without much of a drop, probably can even do better for less.

As we discussed before. Anyone not named Bridges can and should be available for right move.

[Decipher]

If Tsai had been a little more patient, we could have had the option of Nurse, Ime or Bud

Still don't understand the need for such haste

[TheNetsFan]

If Tsai had been a little more patient, we could have had the option of Nurse, Ime or Bud

Still don't understand the need for such haste

Nurse likely takes a season off for anything but the Bucks job. Bud may take a season off too unless there's a premium job out there. There are usually salary offsets in contracts, so money Bud would make as a head coach elsewhere would partially reimburse the Bucks.

Also, I doubt Vaughn is that highly paid. Tsai can eat the contract and move on any time.

That being said, Bud's teams have historically underachieved in the playoffs. Had Harden or Kyrie stayed healthy or Kevin's foot been an inch back, Bud would have been fired years ago.

[Eatgreenz]

In a heartbeat! One of my all-time favorite Nets. I was sorry to see him go. And if he returns, he'll be the first player to put in 10 seasons with the team. For me, that's a weird omen that the Nets have finally established some kind of continuity and stability of sorts.

Lopez would solve the rebounding issue and strength and a three-point shooting big; at that point, you still need to cut all the extra fat. One of DFS/Royce has to go and Dinwiddie is a facilitator that either needs to be regulated to the bench or traded. With Brook, you have to figure, what does the team do with Claxton? Does Brook come off the bench or start? Brook is starter material. In an ideal world, you hope Luka/Trae become available and cut the dead weight.

Hard to anticipate anything until we see how coaching will form.
Ben - Din - Patty
CamJ - Sumner/CamT
Bridges - Joe
Royce - DFS
Nic - Sharpe

Few things that stand out for me is Joe and Din contracts. At 18 and 20m both very expensive commodity. Can have Reggie Jackson for half of that salary. Lots of much cheaper options for both to say least without much of a drop, probably can even do better for less.

As we discussed before. Anyone not named Bridges can and should be available for right move.

I know you said you aint the biggest fan of getting dame but what if something like this could get it done
Nets receive: Lillard and Nurkic
Blazers receive: Harris, O’Neale, Thomas, Mills, and 2 FRPs

[GTR11]

Lopez would solve the rebounding issue and strength and a three-point shooting big; at that point, you still need to cut all the extra fat. One of DFS/Royce has to go and Dinwiddie is a facilitator that either needs to be regulated to the bench or traded. With Brook, you have to figure, what does the team do with Claxton? Does Brook come off the bench or start? Brook is starter material. In an ideal world, you hope Luka/Trae become available and cut the dead weight.

Hard to anticipate anything until we see how coaching will form.
Ben - Din - Patty
CamJ - Sumner/CamT
Bridges - Joe
Royce - DFS
Nic - Sharpe

Few things that stand out for me is Joe and Din contracts. At 18 and 20m both very expensive commodity. Can have Reggie Jackson for half of that salary. Lots of much cheaper options for both to say least without much of a drop, probably can even do better for less.

As we discussed before. Anyone not named Bridges can and should be available for right move.

I know you said you aint the biggest fan of getting dame but what if something like this could get it done
Nets receive: Lillard and Nurkic
Blazers receive: Harris, O’Neale, Thomas, Mills, and 2 FRPs

No !!!

That contract screaming DISASTER from miles away. His body already giving up on him, he has lots of milage on those legs. Unlike CP3 he needs to beat people off the dribble to be effective scorer, I highly doubt he will be able to do that in his last 2 years. Huge red flag.

Only way I will consider on taking that contract is:
1. They taking Ben and Joe.
2. No picks involved.
3. They sending Little along
Fanspo Trade machine says it works out.

Ben already has his value buried in a grave, it can't get any lower than it is right now. MPJ needed little over 18 month to fully recover. If I recall it correctly, Nov 5 is 18th month for Ben. Right around the time season starts. He only has 2 years left on his contract and both agent/Ben say he will be 100% next year. They looking to rebuild Ben's value and get him back to where he was, which is boarder line all star with 1st team all D.

I'm more interested in trading Bridges to Portland if they happen to land 2nd overall pick. Scoot is next Ja right now already. Some say he can reach prime D. Rose level in couple years. I got very good feeling they right. Dude is a baller and leader of the man. Same way I felt Ja > Fatso, same thing Scoot > Wemby. Something tells me Wemby will be injury prone. Great talent and definitely franchise guy.

https://youtu.be/-QeKhvu1KKE

And there's few other videos where I thought he going to break leg/ankle or tear tendons after the landing. Sorry kind of scary here

Not saying it's 100% accurate by any means, but I like my chances. Kind of how I predicted KD situation. Was wrong about him getting back to the same level, was right about his health/durability.

[Marvin Martian]

Trading for Lillard is a bad idea. It makes the team too top heavy again, where we are one injury away from tanking. Did we not learn anything from KD being here?

[Riconet]

The Nets aren't getting Scoot under any circumstances. There is NFW that whoever gets the #2 pick is trading it.

[NetsWorld]

Hard to anticipate anything until we see how coaching will form.
Ben - Din - Patty
CamJ - Sumner/CamT
Bridges - Joe
Royce - DFS
Nic - Sharpe

Few things that stand out for me is Joe and Din contracts. At 18 and 20m both very expensive commodity. Can have Reggie Jackson for half of that salary. Lots of much cheaper options for both to say least without much of a drop, probably can even do better for less.

As we discussed before. Anyone not named Bridges can and should be available for right move.

I know you said you aint the biggest fan of getting dame but what if something like this could get it done
Nets receive: Lillard and Nurkic
Blazers receive: Harris, O’Neale, Thomas, Mills, and 2 FRPs

No !!!

That contract screaming DISASTER from miles away. His body already giving up on him, he has lots of milage on those legs. Unlike CP3 he needs to beat people off the dribble to be effective scorer, I highly doubt he will be able to do that in his last 2 years. Huge red flag.

Only way I will consider on taking that contract is:
1. They taking Ben and Joe.
2. No picks involved.
3. They sending Little along
Fanspo Trade machine says it works out.

Ben already has his value buried in a grave, it can't get any lower than it is right now. MPJ needed little over 18 month to fully recover. If I recall it correctly, Nov 5 is 18th month for Ben. Right around the time season starts. He only has 2 years left on his contract and both agent/Ben say he will be 100% next year. They looking to rebuild Ben's value and get him back to where he was, which is boarder line all star with 1st team all D.

I'm more interested in trading Bridges to Portland if they happen to land 2nd overall pick. Scoot is next Ja right now already. Some say he can reach prime D. Rose level in couple years. I got very good feeling they right. Dude is a baller and leader of the man. Same way I felt Ja > Fatso, same thing Scoot > Wemby. Something tells me Wemby will be injury prone. Great talent and definitely franchise guy.

https://youtu.be/-QeKhvu1KKE

And there's few other videos where I thought he going to break leg/ankle or tear tendons after the landing. Sorry kind of scary here

Not saying it's 100% accurate by any means, but I like my chances. Kind of how I predicted KD situation. Was wrong about him getting back to the same level, was right about his health/durability.

Not a fan of taking Nurcic. The Lillard trade I would make and the Nets are also looking at KAT; he would solve the offensive issue along with the rebounding. A Lillard/KAT/Bridges could go far in the East. with the right depth chart. I did notice a lot of people on NetsDaily bash the idea of trading for Lillard but I disagree; Lillard, while 33, will age fine as long as he is healthy. 33 is the new 28. Players play til later points in their careers now as opposed to retiring at 34-36. Also, we would still have Bridges and an opportunity to potentally land a third star or grab a solid big.

[Claud]

Really need Ben10 to play for the aussies in the summer.

That man needs to regain confidence and sharpness.

We are stuck w/ his contract, might as well build him up.

[GTR11]

I know you said you aint the biggest fan of getting dame but what if something like this could get it done
Nets receive: Lillard and Nurkic
Blazers receive: Harris, O’Neale, Thomas, Mills, and 2 FRPs

No !!!

That contract screaming DISASTER from miles away. His body already giving up on him, he has lots of milage on those legs. Unlike CP3 he needs to beat people off the dribble to be effective scorer, I highly doubt he will be able to do that in his last 2 years. Huge red flag.

Only way I will consider on taking that contract is:
1. They taking Ben and Joe.
2. No picks involved.
3. They sending Little along
Fanspo Trade machine says it works out.

Ben already has his value buried in a grave, it can't get any lower than it is right now. MPJ needed little over 18 month to fully recover. If I recall it correctly, Nov 5 is 18th month for Ben. Right around the time season starts. He only has 2 years left on his contract and both agent/Ben say he will be 100% next year. They looking to rebuild Ben's value and get him back to where he was, which is boarder line all star with 1st team all D.

I'm more interested in trading Bridges to Portland if they happen to land 2nd overall pick. Scoot is next Ja right now already. Some say he can reach prime D. Rose level in couple years. I got very good feeling they right. Dude is a baller and leader of the man. Same way I felt Ja > Fatso, same thing Scoot > Wemby. Something tells me Wemby will be injury prone. Great talent and definitely franchise guy.

https://youtu.be/-QeKhvu1KKE

And there's few other videos where I thought he going to break leg/ankle or tear tendons after the landing. Sorry kind of scary here

Not saying it's 100% accurate by any means, but I like my chances. Kind of how I predicted KD situation. Was wrong about him getting back to the same level, was right about his health/durability.

Not a fan of taking Nurcic. The Lillard trade I would make and the Nets are also looking at KAT; he would solve the offensive issue along with the rebounding. A Lillard/KAT/Bridges could go far in the East. with the right depth chart. I did notice a lot of people on NetsDaily bash the idea of trading for Lillard but I disagree; Lillard, while 33, will age fine as long as he is healthy. 33 is the new 28. Players play til later points in their careers now as opposed to retiring at 34-36. Also, we would still have Bridges and an opportunity to potentally land a third star or grab a solid big.

Eleven years ago this team traded for a guy nik named Crush. Eleven years after we trading for our own pick.

No way in the world we should be giving them any picks. If anything, let them do right by Dame and send him where he wants and take what they can get.

[GTR11]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

[Eatgreenz]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

Would love it. I feel you on Dame, even though I think he has alot of game left 3-4yrs of his current level. At the sametime I dont want to go over kill to try to bring him here. If Blazers dont want to do right by him and ask for the farm like he is 25yrs old you hang up the phone. Hendricks has mad potential. Already reports Ben could play for Australia this year if he actually does I expect a Ben revenge tour all next season guaranteed.

[GTR11]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

Would love it. I feel you on Dame, even though I think he has alot of game left 3-4yrs of his current level. At the sametime I dont want to go over kill to try to bring him here. If Blazers dont want to do right by him and ask for the farm like he is 25yrs old you hang up the phone. Hendricks has mad potential. Already reports Ben could play for Australia this year if he actually does I expect a Ben revenge tour all next season guaranteed.

This new CBA will be brutal for repeat tax offenders. Puts teams like Saltics, LAL/C, Bucks, GSW in very tough situation.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271453/N
BAs-Second-Apron-In-New-CBA-Designed-To-Break-Teams-Up

"The thing about the new rules, this second apron, which the Bucks are going to be headed for... if you hit the second apron, it buries you. You can't sign anybody. You can't really trade for anybody. Your draft picks are automatically kicked to the back of the first round. It is a target on the Clippers, Lakers and at least the Nets when they started negotiating it, the Nets have since broken down. It is an absolute target to keep these teams from being able to maneuver. That's what the Bucks are potentially facing here. They are facing the fall out of the Warriors winning the title and the Nets and the Clippers paying so much money in luxury tax."

We kind of got lucky here owning PHX future. They very unlikely to go above apron again next year with not much depth to work with. Putting them in very tough situation where they have to rely heavy on CP and KD. Both showed signs that they can't carry such load anymore. Very interesting situation here to monitor ( not cheering for injuries, just going by data ).

This is death sentence for small market teams or teams with cheap owners like in ChiTown/Houston.

https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/gallery/the-richest-nba-team-owners

Or

https://sportsbrief.com/nba/15784-top-20-richest-nba-owners-steve-ballmer-tops-list/

We in a good spot here with owner who can back up his talks about willing to win on the highest level. If anything Marks in his post season presser said that much too. He pretty much got blank check and time to rebuild to his convenience.

For those who thinking to jump ship alongside MDB should really take a step back and think things through. Following hot takes and immediate emotions never smart thing to do. Just my opinion here.

All and all we not in a bad situation if you look around the league. Top 5 teams will lose their key pieces and depth this off-season and it won't get better. They will have to look every other way to improve without being repeated offender when it comes to apron. The roster I posted might even be a real contender depending on Ben. Two years from now, we most likely going to upgrade Ben with Ingram. Maybe even earlier the way things ended in NOP, it's clear as day he ain't happy there. Let's also not forget about MJ/LaMelo situation. Ball with a year remaining said he ain't sure where he will play next season or future.

[Eatgreenz]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

Would love it. I feel you on Dame, even though I think he has alot of game left 3-4yrs of his current level. At the sametime I dont want to go over kill to try to bring him here. If Blazers dont want to do right by him and ask for the farm like he is 25yrs old you hang up the phone. Hendricks has mad potential. Already reports Ben could play for Australia this year if he actually does I expect a Ben revenge tour all next season guaranteed.

This new CBA will be brutal for repeat tax offenders. Puts teams like Saltics, LAL/C, Bucks, GSW in very tough situation.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271453/N
BAs-Second-Apron-In-New-CBA-Designed-To-Break-Teams-Up

"The thing about the new rules, this second apron, which the Bucks are going to be headed for... if you hit the second apron, it buries you. You can't sign anybody. You can't really trade for anybody. Your draft picks are automatically kicked to the back of the first round. It is a target on the Clippers, Lakers and at least the Nets when they started negotiating it, the Nets have since broken down. It is an absolute target to keep these teams from being able to maneuver. That's what the Bucks are potentially facing here. They are facing the fall out of the Warriors winning the title and the Nets and the Clippers paying so much money in luxury tax."

We kind of got lucky here owning PHX future. They very unlikely to go above apron again next year with not much depth to work with. Putting them in very tough situation where they have to rely heavy on CP and KD. Both showed signs that they can't carry such load anymore. Very interesting situation here to monitor ( not cheering for injuries, just going by data ).

This is death sentence for small market teams or teams with cheap owners like in ChiTown/Houston.

https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/gallery/the-richest-nba-team-owners

Or

https://sportsbrief.com/nba/15784-top-20-richest-nba-owners-steve-ballmer-tops-list/

We in a good spot here with owner who can back up his talks about willing to win on the highest level. If anything Marks in his post season presser said that much too. He pretty much got blank check and time to rebuild to his convenience.

For those who thinking to jump ship alongside MDB should really take a step back and think things through. Following hot takes and immediate emotions never smart thing to do. Just my opinion here.

All and all we not in a bad situation if you look around the league. Top 5 teams will lose their key pieces and depth this off-season and it won't get better. They will have to look every other way to improve without being repeated offender when it comes to apron. The roster I posted might even be a real contender depending on Ben. Two years from now, we most likely going to upgrade Ben with Ingram. Maybe even earlier the way things ended in NOP, it's clear as day he ain't happy there. Let's also not forget about MJ/LaMelo situation. Ball with a year remaining said he ain't sure where he will play next season or future.

That Lamelo situation should be followed close with what he said at his presser. Plus Lavar would love for his son that actually became a star to play in a big market. Lamelo fits our roster perfect.

[JKiddy]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

I do this deal. But, I am unsure if POR would unless forced into a corner.

I am unsure if Patty is still here next year.

[GTR11]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

I do this deal. But, I am unsure if POR would unless forced into a corner.

I am unsure if Patty is still here next year.

Guys have you seen article that been posted about new CBA? If so ask yourself, how many teams will be willing to take on such salary.

That's without saying where Dame wants to be and them doing right by him.

[TheNetsFan]

Thinking out loud here:

1. We can trade DFS and one of our picks from this draft for top 10 in Hendricks.
2. Din, Joe and Philly 2027 pick ( top 8 protected by 6's ) for Dame.
3. Resign Yuta for tax mle.
4. Resign CamJ.

So we looking at roster of
Dame - Sumner - Patty
Ben - Royce - CamT
Bridges - Yuta
CamJ - Hendricks
Nic - Sharpe

This looks like top 3-6 seed team with 2nd round exit most likely outcome. We be around 157m with apron for next year at 168.


Any other thoughts ....?

I do this deal. But, I am unsure if POR would unless forced into a corner.

I am unsure if Patty is still here next year.

Guys have you seen article that been posted about new CBA? If so ask yourself, how many teams will be willing to take on such salary.

That's without saying where Dame wants to be and them doing right by him.

Agreed, but it will still take more than expirings and one future first for Dame. I'm still going with 3 firsts and Thomas as my guess. Maybe having to take Nurkic back as well.

[Eatgreenz]

I do this deal. But, I am unsure if POR would unless forced into a corner.

I am unsure if Patty is still here next year.

Guys have you seen article that been posted about new CBA? If so ask yourself, how many teams will be willing to take on such salary.

That's without saying where Dame wants to be and them doing right by him.

Agreed, but it will still take more than expirings and one future first for Dame. I'm still going with 3 firsts and Thomas as my guess. Maybe having to take Nurkic back as well.

If we take Nurkic back no way they get to have 3 1st.

[GTR11]

I do this deal. But, I am unsure if POR would unless forced into a corner.

I am unsure if Patty is still here next year.

Guys have you seen article that been posted about new CBA? If so ask yourself, how many teams will be willing to take on such salary.

That's without saying where Dame wants to be and them doing right by him.

Agreed, but it will still take more than expirings and one future first for Dame. I'm still going with 3 firsts and Thomas as my guess. Maybe having to take Nurkic back as well.

No team will give up 3 picks for 33 year old after new CBA being agreed upon. Well maybe OKC will, but other than them, no team either have it or can afford it.

[Rastas]

Lamelo is an option if you also take Hayward - say Din and Cam J (SnT @18m) plus a couple picks.
Hayward is an expiring 30m.