Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread

[Duffman100]

The terrible trade that will keep on giving

A 1st rounder for 4 years of good center production with a player in his prime is a 'terrible trade'?

[ArthurVandelay]

Most recent comparable would be Allen's 5/100, Capela's 2/46, Myles Tuners' 2/60.

The Raps probably go with a 3-4 year deal to bring the average salary down.

When you look at cap hit, Turner is $20. Pacers used their cap space this year to give him an 'advance.' It also probably acted as a "Sorry we put you through trade rumors for the last 6 years."

[OakleyDokely]

Most recent comparable would be Allen's 5/100, Capela's 2/46, Myles Tuners' 2/60.

The Raps probably go with a 3-4 year deal to bring the average salary down.

When you look at cap hit, Turner is $20. Pacers used their cap space this year to give him an 'advance.' It also probably acted as a "Sorry we put you through trade rumors for the last 6 years."

Ya, 18M of that 60M was added to his salary this year because the Pacers had the cap space to do it.

A quality starting C whose capable of playing 30 minutes is probably going to cost you about 20M.

[OakleyDokely]

The terrible trade that will keep on giving

A 1st rounder for 4 years of good center production with a player in his prime is a 'terrible trade'?

He's a 27 year old, former #9 overall pick who actually worked out.

Whether the Raps should tank or not is a different argument than whether Poeltl is worth a mid 1st (hint, he is).

[Shakril]

How many teams even need a starting Center of Poeltl's skill? We were bidding against ourselves at the deadline and might do it again in free agency.

I hope Masai locks him up to a reasonable deal based on this. 4/70 should be the most and I'm hoping 4/65 is what gets it done.

Boston, Golden State, and all the teams that dont have one.

The Current playoffs show how important it is to have Big in the paint. All teams that dont have that, are getting abused in the paint.

[MightyMouse10]

I think this should be the summer of extensions and FA signings. Cap is about to rocket any long-term contract given to good players this year will be viewed as plus value assets in two years

[Tor_Raps]

How many teams even need a starting Center of Poeltl's skill? We were bidding against ourselves at the deadline and might do it again in free agency.

I hope Masai locks him up to a reasonable deal based on this. 4/70 should be the most and I'm hoping 4/65 is what gets it done.

Boston, Golden State, and all the teams that dont have one.

The Current playoffs show how important it is to have Big in the paint. All teams that dont have that, are getting abused in the paint.

Boston doesn't have one? They got Robert Williams coming off the bench right now loll.

Gstate has Looney rebounding like a prime Rodman for 7M a year. They don't have any money to spend since they're well over the lux tax.

Which other teams need a STARTING Center and can sign him in free agency?

[Shakril]

How many teams even need a starting Center of Poeltl's skill? We were bidding against ourselves at the deadline and might do it again in free agency.

I hope Masai locks him up to a reasonable deal based on this. 4/70 should be the most and I'm hoping 4/65 is what gets it done.

Boston, Golden State, and all the teams that dont have one.

The Current playoffs show how important it is to have Big in the paint. All teams that dont have that, are getting abused in the paint.

Boston doesn't have one? They got Robert Williams coming off the bench right now loll.

Gstate has Looney rebounding like a prime Rodman for 7M a year. They don't have any money to spend since they're well over the lux tax.

Which other teams need a STARTING Center and can sign him in free agency?

Really, you are comparing a injured riddled Robert Williams with a reliable Center? Sorry but that were i stop taking you seriously.

[Tor_Raps]

Boston, Golden State, and all the teams that dont have one.

The Current playoffs show how important it is to have Big in the paint. All teams that dont have that, are getting abused in the paint.

Boston doesn't have one? They got Robert Williams coming off the bench right now loll.

Gstate has Looney rebounding like a prime Rodman for 7M a year. They don't have any money to spend since they're well over the lux tax.

Which other teams need a STARTING Center and can sign him in free agency?

Really, you are comparing a injured riddled Robert Williams with a reliable Center? Sorry but that were i stop taking you seriously.

You might want to ask the whole world as to who they'd rather have... Williams or Poeltl? Not to mention the potential Williams has...

I love Poeltl but please don't overrated the guy because of how pathetic our Center position has been for the past 3 years. The same thing happened when people thought Birch was a rotational player because he came after Baynes lol.

[OakleyDokely]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there are teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

[Godaddycurse]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there's teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

SAS would happily bring him back, considering they did offer him an extension pre trade

[Pointgod]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there's teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

SAS would happily bring him back, considering they did offer him an extension pre trade

That would be the ultimate own. Imagine if SAS threw the bag at him?

[Godaddycurse]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there's teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

SAS would happily bring him back, considering they did offer him an extension pre trade

That would be the ultimate own. Imagine if SAS threw the bag at him?

Ya if we tank he might as well go back to SAS

[Pointgod]

Boston doesn't have one? They got Robert Williams coming off the bench right now loll.

Gstate has Looney rebounding like a prime Rodman for 7M a year. They don't have any money to spend since they're well over the lux tax.

Which other teams need a STARTING Center and can sign him in free agency?

Really, you are comparing a injured riddled Robert Williams with a reliable Center? Sorry but that were i stop taking you seriously.

You might want to ask the whole world as to who they'd rather have... Williams or Poeltl? Not to mention the potential Williams has...

I love Poeltl but please don't overrated the guy because of how pathetic our Center position has been for the past 3 years. The same thing happened when people thought Birch was a rotational player because he came after Baynes lol.

I think the idea of Robert Williams is greater than the reality because the guy is always hurt. You have to factor that into the equation. Otherwise he’s the ideal big in the modern NBA, quick, athletic, long. I just can’t get past the injuries. Although the Poeltl type Center is a dying breed in the modern NBA so don’t exactly love that move either

[DreamTeam09]

How many teams even need a starting Center of Poeltl's skill? We were bidding against ourselves at the deadline and might do it again in free agency.

I hope Masai locks him up to a reasonable deal based on this. 4/70 should be the most and I'm hoping 4/65 is what gets it done.

Boston, Golden State, and all the teams that dont have one.

The Current playoffs show how important it is to have Big in the paint. All teams that dont have that, are getting abused in the paint.

Boston doesn't have one? They got Robert Williams coming off the bench right now loll.

Gstate has Looney rebounding like a prime Rodman for 7M a year. They don't have any money to spend since they're well over the lux tax.

Which other teams need a STARTING Center and can sign him in free agency?

Boston was after Jakob at the trade deadline and would've gotten him, but he wanted to go to Toronto for several reasons.

Boston pivoted gallo after, so we weren't betting against ourselves last trade deadline. Teams wanted Jakob.

[KL78192020]

The terrible trade that will keep on giving

Yup, a lottery team trading away a pick thats only top 6 protected isn't every good. If this was a top 4 team in need of a C to win it all its a decent trade, but that they are not. The team is capped out and can't bring back all of GTJ/FVV/Poeltl without going into the tax, they are most likely a 9th seed or worse next year. Not much room to improve.

[Tacoma]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there are teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

Between the two, Yak has the higher leverage. Masai can't afford to let Yak walk (or get crumbs in a S&T), because giving up a 1st round pick for only a 2-month rental of Yak is terrible optics and even worse asset management.

And why would he particularly want to return here, especially if either of his buddies, FVV or Siakam, are traded away? He's in his prime now and we are likely treadmilling the next few years. Not a good match from his viewpoint, especially if Masai tries to squeeze every penny out of him as you're saying.

[Ell Curry]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there are teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

OKC looks like a great fit for him. Poeltl-Chet-Giddey-JalenWilliams-Dort-SGA is a nicely balanced top 6 and then they'll develop Dieng and whoever they draft at #12 to hopefully be the Wiggins/OG type 3 and D forwards that lineup is short.

but yeah, other than that there's only a return to SA, which seems unlikely since Poeltl seems to want to be on a playoff team.

The sign and trade teams for Poeltl I could see are Phoenix (Ayton, 3 way maybe, complicated but I think workable), Memphis, Portland and Dallas. The first two teams would get younger at the 5 and Dallas just need talent in the frontcourt.

[OakleyDokely]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there are teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

OKC looks like a great fit for him. Poeltl-Chet-Giddey-JalenWilliams-Dort-SGA is a nicely balanced top 6 and then they'll develop Dieng and whoever they draft at #12 to hopefully be the Wiggins/OG type 3 and D forwards that lineup is short.

but yeah, other than that there's only a return to SA, which seems unlikely since Poeltl seems to want to be on a playoff team.

The sign and trade teams for Poeltl I could see are Phoenix (Ayton, 3 way maybe, complicated but I think workable), Memphis, Portland and Dallas. The first two teams would get younger at the 5 and Dallas just need talent in the frontcourt.

OKC would probably have interest but only on a short term deal because their roster is going to get very expensive very soon, so I doubt they'd go for 3-4 years.

[ItsDanger]

If Masai keeps Poeltl, he's likely to pay market value +10%. The other factors appear irrelevant and the excuses will be paraded out like usual.