No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2)

[Celts17Pride]

That one would have been nice for sure.

[Feed Your Head]

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[Bar Fight]

If i was the Celtics, i would honestly be encouraged. The sixers have barely won 2 games where Harden played out of his mind. If Celtics stop making mistakes (Brown double team, slow offense, stupid turnovers), they have this series wrapped up in 6.

None of that matters. The series is 2-2. Oh, and the Celtics won't stop making mistakes in crunch time. That's just who they are.

[shackles10]

Let's remember we suck at 2 for 1s and everyone hates it when we do it.

If the Celtics missed and Philly got the rebound then you foul and at worst Philly goes up by 3. You would have 5-7 seconds to shoot a 3 and tie the game.

This is common sense. Coaching 101.

Obviously end of game is different, but I'm sure he's referring to the 2 for 1's we get at the end of quarters all the time where we just end up with 2 lousy looks at the basket. The ones we rightfully complain about and Scal can't help but mention as he's doing the math at the 2 minute mark.

Side note- I like Scal, but his 2 for 1 comments annoy me every single time. We get it brother!

[Garbanzo]

We lost the match but won the battle
Sixers were extremely lucky in this one
Tatum played with maturity and poise even when nothing went his way in the beginning
Team played well, but just didn't have enough luck the whole way, with sixers hitting timely threes and Celtics players missing open shots and not gaining momentum
wish we could have pressured the ball from the start

Huge mistake by Mazzula at the last possession of the game
It was clear Philly runs a p&r between Harden and Embiid, so having the help coming from the strong side was a HUGE mistake

Hate losing, but Celtics played hard and the right way
On to the next!

We likely won't ever know for sure (Joe's not gonna go out in a presser and start throwing Jaylen under the bus) but I think Horford was the help on that play and Jaylen decided to freelance so he can be the hero.

You are right, the moment I saw that again I understood it was a breakout from scheme
Later Jalen and Horfie confirmed that

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

If i was the Celtics, i would honestly be encouraged. The sixers have barely won 2 games where Harden played out of his mind. If Celtics stop making mistakes (Brown double team, slow offense, stupid turnovers), they have this series wrapped up in 6.

None of that matters. The series is 2-2. Oh, and the Celtics won't stop making mistakes in crunch time. That's just who they are.

They're execution is atrocious

Game five against Atlanta. Boston up a point. Young hits a 25-ft 3-pointer Boston down by two. Boston gets the ball back Tatum air balls at 3-pointer.

Game one against Philly. Boston up a point Harden hits a 25 foot three pointer. Boston down 2. Boston gets the ball back and turns it over.

Game 5. Boston up two points with 26 seconds left. Harden hits a 3 Boston down by one. 18 seconds left and Boston can't even get a shot up.

They've literally lost three games almost the exact same way.

[ConstableGeneva]

At least he's not that dumb or stubborn.

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We didn't need a coach to learn these things along the way.

[ConstableGeneva]

Let's remember we suck at 2 for 1s and everyone hates it when we do it.

There's a difference between Tatum jacking up a pullup 3 with 30 secs left and a coach calling an ATO with 19 secs left. But then again, Joe is not Brad in end of game situations so maybe you have a point.

[rd26]

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This is more in response to your earlier post on cluch usage, but im too lazy to go back and find it.

By my imperfect count,, in the last 5 min and overtime we has 14 half court possessions and 1 transition opportunity.

We ran as the initial action:
Tatum iso x2
Tat / Smart PNR x6
Tat / White PnR x2
Tat / Brown PnR x1

Smart/ Horf PnR x1

Smart / Brown PnR x1

Brown / Horf PnR x1 (the first play under 5:00, and JBs last shot)

None of Brown, Brogdon, White or Horford were involved in any significant way.

We continually get the ball to Tatum, and he continually makes the right play, unfortunately that is pretty much always back to Smart.

JB and Brogdon are zero part of the offense.

Smart is actually doing a nice job, its just a seriously flawed system imo to concede your 2, 3 and 4 scorers completely

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[jfs1000d]

You know what else happens? Coaches call timeouts to design plays to get their superstars open shots.

I’ve said he should called a TO like four times lmao.

He should’ve called a timeout at the end of the 4th. This game even going to overtime is on Joe

Why? They got a great look at end of regulation.


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[BK_2020]

Sixers' baskets in the final 5 minutes:
1. Harden beats Jaylen Brown baseline, gets 2 free throws.
2. Harden beats Jaylen Brown for an open pull up jumper in the paint.
3. Jaylen switches to Maxey who runs to the corner. Jaylen follows him, face-guarding Maxey. Tatum and Smart call for rotation to no avail. Harden beats Brogdon (who is overplaying to the right) and jaunts right into the space Jaylen vacated for a bucket.
4. Tough defense by Tatum and Horford negated by Tucker offensive board and put back.
5. Harden looks for a switch on Horford then hits a floater.
Maybe bucket 3 is harder to fault Jaylen for but he got directly burned for 3 of the 5 closing minutes buckets, including the three that sent the game to overtime.

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[BK_2020]

Sixers buckets in OT.

1. Harden a little bounce DHO to Maxey, who gets momentum and beats Jaylen for a layup.
2. Embiid fadeaway over Horford. Jaylen shows double, then mysteriously just steps away to fecklessly loiter in the paint doing nothing.
3. Harden / Embiid PnR. Jaylen and Horford do a good job but Embiid feels contact and flops for 2 FTs.
4. This is the Double Team. (*need to edit my last post)

[jfs1000d]

You pulled out 3 examples over the course of decades.

I can pull out 3 this game alone.

Tatum get trashed on this forum for forcing tough shots at the end of games early in his career. Now he gets flamed for making the correct play and passing to the open shooter who....hit the shot btw.

The dumb move was running the clock down but Tatum absolutely made the correct play.

The correct play isn't Smart shooting a 30 foot hero dagger.

Yes it is. It was two wide open shots. He had a great look at the first. And he made the second.

You guys are silly if you think that isnt a good shot.


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[ballup]

It made no sense to have Tatum guard Embiid on that last shot. Embiid was having so much trouble against Horford. Tatum wasn't getting help by the time Embiid got close enough to put up a shot. There was no commitment to a double. Jaylen screws up by doubling on the strong side. Maybe Horford has this sixth sense to help at the very last moment, but it really did seem like Embiid needed to see a double when he was that deep. Even if Horford was in the same situation as Tatum where he gives up the same ground, Tatum is more equipped to provide help from the weakside and be able to contest the Tucker corner 3.

It made sense to switch up the defensive assignments when throughout the game, but this is the last couple of possessions. You need Horford on Embiid.

[BK_2020]

It made no sense to have Tatum guard Embiid on that last shot. Embiid was having so much trouble against Horford. Tatum wasn't getting help by the time Embiid got close enough to put up a shot. There was no commitment to a double. Jaylen screws up by doubling on the strong side. Maybe Horford has this sixth sense to help at the very last moment, but it really did seem like Embiid needed to see a double when he was that deep. Even if Horford was in the same situation as Tatum where he gives up the same ground, Tatum is more equipped to provide help from the weakside and be able to contest the Tucker corner 3.

It made sense to switch up the defensive assignments when throughout the game, but this is the last couple of possessions. You need Horford on Embiid.

I liked what Joe did with the coverage, mixing up Tatum and Smart as initial defenders on Embiid with Horford ready to help at the rim.

Horford was already there to double and staring at the play develop. He kinda hedged, though, to prevent a pass to a Tucker corner three. A difficult two by Embiid is probably a very good outcome for the Celtics in that spot. At worst they go to 2nd OT where they'd have the fitness advantage. In any case Jaylen should've trusted the vet Horford to know when to commit to the double, especially when he was tasked with defending Harden who was killing us in the clutch.

[TheMartian]

At least he's not that dumb or stubborn.

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We didn't need a coach to learn these things along the way.

Exactly. Now is not the best time to be "learning" these type of things as a coach. Oh God, we're doomed aren't we?

[ConstableGeneva]

At least he's not that dumb or stubborn.

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We didn't need a coach to learn these things along the way.

Exactly. Now is not the best time to be "learning" these type of things as a coach. Oh God, we're doomed aren't we?

Not really. Since there's no one dominant team this year. Cs are also talented and deep enough to still make the Finals. But I just don't see our coach as a plus factor for us in tight situations.

[JR Hawks]

At least he's not that dumb or stubborn.

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We didn't need a coach to learn these things along the way.

I believe this is the second time in the playoffs he's later admitted he made a mistake after previously denying it. I'm curious if Brad and/or ownership have a role in that.