2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

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Came here to post these. Yeah unless OKC takes him we are definitely drafting him

He's exactly OKC's type. Chet wasn't a prospect until his insane growth spurt.

OKC has drafted more lanky guys than Toronto, Poku, Ousmane Dieng, Chet.

Since OKC has a play-maker in Giddey and SGA is a star combo-guard, they have Jalen Williams but could groom a versitile SF in Boulibaly. I would say that OKC nabs him at #12 for sure.

PG Giddey - Dort - Tre
SF SGA - Tre/Joe - Bilal
SF JalenW - Kenrich - Bilal
PF Chet - Poku/Dieng
C JaylinW - JRE/Chet

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Bilal in games he's played at least 10 minutes:

16 GAMES, 22.8 MINS, 6.6 PPG, 4.0 REB, 0.9 AST, 1.0 STL, .565 FG, .450 3PT, .655 FT, .648 TS

These are on pretty small samples though as he hasn't played much until recently and he hasn't taken many shots.

Not to take anything away from the outstanding TS% but do we know what kind of shots those numbers are coming from? Watching highlights it seems like he gets a ton of open kickout looks on his 3's but I could be wrong.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Of course but nobody believes they're drafting blindly and so many other factors go into the success of a player such as the team and development system they end up in. I am certain that if we looked deep enough we could find another set of statistics which would overwhelmingly point to Bufkin likely being successful (regardless of the outcome) which hold equal if not greater weight than stats regarding the difference between 6'4 and 6'5 players and their success. There are so many models to analyze and I know that Bufkin graded quite high for instance with Cerebro Sports in the C-Ram index.

Sure you can keep looking. Success could be Immanual Quickley. At 13 I would want more. I doubt there's a model out there that would tell you any player is for sure going to be a star, because then the draft would be highly efficient. Every team has people modelling the draft.

[OakleyDokely]

Bilal in games he's played at least 10 minutes:

16 GAMES, 22.8 MINS, 6.6 PPG, 4.0 REB, 0.9 AST, 1.0 STL, .565 FG, .450 3PT, .655 FT, .648 TS

These are on pretty small samples though as he hasn't played much until recently and he hasn't taken many shots.

Not to take anything away from the outstanding TS% but do we know what kind of shots those numbers are coming from? Watching highlights it seems like he gets a ton of open kickout looks on his 3's but I could be wrong.

From the clips I've seen, he's playing a support role so most of his offense comes from dunks / layups / catch and shoot 3s.

[ArthurVandelay]

Bilal in games he's played at least 10 minutes:

16 GAMES, 22.8 MINS, 6.6 PPG, 4.0 REB, 0.9 AST, 1.0 STL, .565 FG, .450 3PT, .655 FT, .648 TS

These are on pretty small samples though as he hasn't played much until recently and he hasn't taken many shots.

Not to take anything away from the outstanding TS% but do we know what kind of shots those numbers are coming from? Watching highlights it seems like he gets a ton of open kickout looks on his 3's but I could be wrong.

He’s an after thought on offence. Cuts, transition, put backs, and catch and shoot jumpers. However he’s not playing for his offence. He’s a defensive star. The fact he is taking advantage of the opportunities he does get is what matters.

The sky is the limit for this 18 year old if he has the drive and desire to work.

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He'd be an interesting pick - kind of similar to the Bruno pick in that we'd be taking a guy based on potential and development, hoping he can be a really good contributor in a couple years, but not expecting much right now. Obviously the Bruno pick backfired, but I think the reasoning would be the sam for taking Bilal. He's very raw, but there's a lot to work with there.

I get your point (they'd both be drafted as diamonds in the rough), but Bilal is lightyears ahead of where Bruno was skill-wise and athleticism-wise, and he's already a gifted defender (Bruno had seriously slow feet and poor form on that end). The level of competition he's up against is much better than what Bruno faced and he's also not that far off of Bruno's freaky measurements. I think expectations on how ready Bilal is to contribute next year will have to be tempered, but the outlines of an incredibly valuable player are already there.

He's also not nearly as timid as Bruno. He looks very confident and self assured. Much more dynamic and athletic too. I've seen clips where he makes stuff up on the fly and makes it work.

He's raw and would probably have a lot of ugly mistakes in his first few years, but the upside and fit seem better than anyone else in our range.

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Of course but nobody believes they're drafting blindly and so many other factors go into the success of a player such as the team and development system they end up in. I am certain that if we looked deep enough we could find another set of statistics which would overwhelmingly point to Bufkin likely being successful (regardless of the outcome) which hold equal if not greater weight than stats regarding the difference between 6'4 and 6'5 players and their success. There are so many models to analyze and I know that Bufkin graded quite high for instance with Cerebro Sports in the C-Ram index.

Sure you can keep looking. Success could be Immanual Quickley. At 13 I would want more. I doubt there's a model out there that would tell you any player is for sure going to be a star, because then the draft would be highly efficient. Every team has people modelling the draft.

I think you mean to say you want to go with someone with higher probability of being an all-star caliber player based on your own BPM relative to height model at 13.

This isn't a draft with anyone backed up by stats like that who is projected to be available anyway. Believe me if there were a 6'5+ freshman guard who had a 48%+ FG like Bufkin who got to the line 6-7 times a game and had a good FT% and 2+ steals per 36, etc...etc.. I would be all over them instead.

If BPM means a lot to you then Marcus Sasser is the play. Even if you account for level of competition and left NSJ, JHS, Keyonte, Jett, Terquavion and others in college for another 2-3 years, it is highly unlikely that they would reach Sasser's productivity as defined by the BPM stat.

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Rafael Barlow going nuts over GG Jackson and bumped him all the way to #5 on his latest mock draft. Says he's been super focused in the pre-draft process in Dallas with his dad and trainer. Says the inefficiency this season will hurt his stock but he will quiet the immaturity concerns because he's a good kid and will interview well. On the contrary, Sam Vecenie hates him as a prospect.

I'd stay away. I could see Utah taking him at 15.

I imagine this might be how TWac would be in todays social media world if he had to play a year of college ball. Actually, his age is like he's a HS senior! GG and the Thompson twins seem like the gambles of this draft. GG at 18.5 years old is shooting NBA distance 3's. He just seems like the player that will leave Toronto, when he can.

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Bilal in games he's played at least 10 minutes:

16 GAMES, 22.8 MINS, 6.6 PPG, 4.0 REB, 0.9 AST, 1.0 STL, .565 FG, .450 3PT, .655 FT, .648 TS

These are on pretty small samples though as he hasn't played much until recently and he hasn't taken many shots.

Not to take anything away from the outstanding TS% but do we know what kind of shots those numbers are coming from? Watching highlights it seems like he gets a ton of open kickout looks on his 3's but I could be wrong.

From the clips I've seen, he's playing a support role so most of his offense comes from dunks / layups / catch and shoot 3s.

That's what it seemed like to me. Still, it means you might be looking at an off-ball complimentary scorer SF with the potential for elite efficiency on both sides of the ball in that capacity.

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Does anyone else feel as though Jaylen Clark is a lock to make it in the NBA?

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think you mean to say you want to go with someone with higher probability of being an all-star caliber player based on your own BPM relative to height model at 13.

This isn't a draft with anyone backed up by stats like that who is projected to be available anyway. Believe me if there were a 6'5+ freshman guard who had a 48%+ FG like Bufkin who got to the line 6-7 times a game and had a good FT% and 2+ steals per 36, etc...etc.. I would be all over them instead.

If BPM means a lot to you then Marcus Sasser is the play. Even if you account for level of competition and left NSJ, JHS, Keyonte, Jett, Terquavion and others in college for another 2-3 years, it is highly unlikely that they would reach Sasser's productivity as defined by the BPM stat.

BPM only means probability of average or failure to me. I don't think it predicts success well. There are really high BPMs every year, because there are always great college players. Most of them can't play in the NBA.

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Both kids from UCLA look pretty good even the kid whose mom Drake was banging.

[gbball]

Not to take anything away from the outstanding TS% but do we know what kind of shots those numbers are coming from? Watching highlights it seems like he gets a ton of open kickout looks on his 3's but I could be wrong.

From the clips I've seen, he's playing a support role so most of his offense comes from dunks / layups / catch and shoot 3s.

That's what it seemed like to me. Still, it means you might be looking at an off-ball complimentary scorer SF with the potential for elite efficiency on both sides of the ball in that capacity.

At their junior level, he's an on ball creator and slasher, he looks very dynamic with the ball, driving left or right and seems difficult to keep out the lane. When he gets to the rim he uses his length well to finish once he's got a step on his defender and he can make creative improvised finishes.

[ArthurVandelay]

Does anyone else feel as though Jaylen Clark is a lock to make it in the NBA?

Love Clark’s game. If his injury causes him to go I drafted I hope raptors have his agent on speed dial by end of second round.

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Rafael Barlow going nuts over GG Jackson and bumped him all the way to #5 on his latest mock draft. Says he's been super focused in the pre-draft process in Dallas with his dad and trainer. Says the inefficiency this season will hurt his stock but he will quiet the immaturity concerns because he's a good kid and will interview well. On the contrary, Sam Vecenie hates him as a prospect.

I'd stay away. I could see Utah taking him at 15.

I imagine this might be how TWac would be in todays social media world if he had to play a year of college ball. Actually, his age is like he's a HS senior! GG and the Thompson twins seem like the gambles of this draft. GG at 18.5 years old is shooting NBA distance 3's. He just seems like the player that will leave Toronto, when he can.

We would have 7 years to convince him this is the place to be. Btw I don’t know if Scottie is someone that would stay here beyond the 7 years also. In high school he said he was a lakers fan. We all see how dominant he is whenever we play the lakers. Again, we have 7 full years to convince these prospects. That aspect of it shouldn’t weigh in too much imo.

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Rafael Barlow going nuts over GG Jackson and bumped him all the way to #5 on his latest mock draft. Says he's been super focused in the pre-draft process in Dallas with his dad and trainer. Says the inefficiency this season will hurt his stock but he will quiet the immaturity concerns because he's a good kid and will interview well. On the contrary, Sam Vecenie hates him as a prospect.

I'd stay away. I could see Utah taking him at 15.

I imagine this might be how TWac would be in todays social media world if he had to play a year of college ball. Actually, his age is like he's a HS senior! GG and the Thompson twins seem like the gambles of this draft. GG at 18.5 years old is shooting NBA distance 3's. He just seems like the player that will leave Toronto, when he can.

We would have 7 years to convince him this is the place to be. Btw I don’t know if Scottie is someone that would stay here beyond the 7 years also. In high school he said he was a lakers fan. We all see how dominant he is whenever we play the lakers. Again, we have 7 full years to convince these prospects. That aspect of it shouldn’t weigh in too much imo.

Klay is a Lakers fan with his dad former player. Just win!

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Does anyone else feel as though Jaylen Clark is a lock to make it in the NBA?

Love Clark’s game. If his injury causes him to go I drafted I hope raptors have his agent on speed dial by end of second round.

Agreed. He' one of my guys as well. He's a first round talent that a smart team (hopefully us) will pick up late in the 2nd rd or undrafted and eventually turn into a rotation player (assuming the shot continues to develop). He's got Miami written all over him.

Other guys I'm way higher on than most: D'moi Hodge, Marcus Sasser, Daron Holmes, Judah Mintz, Podz, Eric Gaines and Terq Smith (at least how he's talked about by some on this board)

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Told y'all his draft stock gonna start rising!

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Obscure bit of draft news. Toronto apparently wants a workout with Isaiah Miranda who 7'1 and a freshman with NC State who I think never ended up playing with them:

Miranda signed with NC State as a mid-year enrollee. He was the No. 40 recruit in the country but did not appear in a game during his freshman season.

“The tools pop immediately for Isaiah Miranda,” On3 wrote in his scouting report coming out of high school. “At 7-0, 7-1 the center moves in a way most his size are not able. He is very fluid with a lot of explosive pop. Miranda can shoot the ball with deep range and he has great hand eye coordination with touch. His shot selection can be very erratic at times. He will have to learn the finer nuances of the game, like angles and footwork (he is oftentimes out of position to make a play). When it comes to raw upside, there might not be a player with more in this class. Now it is a matter of polishing it and putting it all together.”

https://www.on3.com/teams/nc-state-wolfpack/news/casey-morsell-isaiah-miranda-enter-nba-draft/

Here he is playing with a NBA ball for the first time:

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Rafael Barlow going nuts over GG Jackson and bumped him all the way to #5 on his latest mock draft. Says he's been super focused in the pre-draft process in Dallas with his dad and trainer. Says the inefficiency this season will hurt his stock but he will quiet the immaturity concerns because he's a good kid and will interview well. On the contrary, Sam Vecenie hates him as a prospect.

I'd stay away. I could see Utah taking him at 15.

He's probably trying to mix up his mocks. From what I've read on here alone that seems ludicrous.