Curry last second shots in playoffs

[One Last Shot]

you can be critical of Steph and still think he's an all-time great.

I believe Steph is near dame/harden in terms of basketball ability but he's been extremely fortunate in his career to have much more success than those guys have had so he's perceived ranking is higher than it should be.

I think if you switch Harden and Steph in 2014, Warriors should atleast won 6-7 rings at this point without recruiting KD, Harden arguably the GOAT while the Steph-led Rockets might make the Semis or even Conference Finals from time to time but won't sniff NBA Finals because Harden-led GSW won the West for 9 straight years.

[bovice]

you can be critical of Steph and still think he's an all-time great.

I believe Steph is near dame/harden in terms of basketball ability but he's been extremely fortunate in his career to have much more success than those guys have had so he's perceived ranking is higher than it should be.

I think if you switch Harden and Steph in 2014, Warriors should atleast won 6-7 rings at this point without recruiting KD, Harden arguably the GOAT while the Steph-led Rockets might make the Semis or even Conference Finals from time to time but won't sniff NBA Finals because Harden-led GSW won the West for 9 straight years.

Ive been getting so much hate for saying that lol

snowflakes wanna believe anyone can be great. that's not true. size and athleticism matters. there's a reason why the best player on a championship team isn't the shortest player. kawhi, KD, Kobe, dwade, dirk, even Paul Pierce can get THEIR shot off when their teams need them to. they're not running around screens or hoping to catch their defender sleeping. that's not reliable the deeper you get into the playoffs because good teams don't make as many mistakes.

[Statlanta]

Hero ball culture in the NBA is pushed by media maniacs who mythologies Jordan.

Curry usually has 2 guys or at least the best defender on him at the end and he feels he needs to take these shots because people say he should. Same people trash LeBron for passing out at end game situations. But LeBron's passing out is why he doesn't get doubled as much at the end and why he makes so many clutch plays.

Just stop buying the narrative.

I can't agree. I feel like my Celtics are so terrible in the clutch because they don't have a guy like Curry, whose able to hit shots from all over the court, and has a magnificent handle. I think he should be better at it than he is, and should probably think about where he's taking those shots from (anyone have a shot chart?)

Passing to Kyle Korver in the clutch with Korver bricking is less clutch than trying an isolation play over Steph Curry, zimpy

[dhsilv2]

Stephs "Brilliant" is taking 30 shots to get 31 points with horrid clutch time play. That man is CHARMED!!!!

He gets pass his team did not show up ?s=20

Bron didnt get a pass while scoring 51 and having a teammate forget the score. Lets not go changing how things work! lol

That was generally seen and regarded as one of the best games ever played. If someone's changing the story and history of the game it's you.

[1993Playoffs]

Love curry But I knew he’d miss those last second shots.

It’s just not his game

[dhsilv2]

Hero ball culture in the NBA is pushed by media maniacs who mythologies Jordan.

Curry usually has 2 guys or at least the best defender on him at the end and he feels he needs to take these shots because people say he should. Same people trash LeBron for passing out at end game situations. But LeBron's passing out is why he doesn't get doubled as much at the end and why he makes so many clutch plays.

Just stop buying the narrative.

Don’t think anyone’s buying that narrative. Curry’s end of game iq is part of the whole shot making issue. But all the greats face multiple defenders at the end of games. If we’re just talking guards guys like Lillard Kobe AI wade etc, but they can take on the whole defense and get you a clutch bucket and/or create for a teammate.

But the narrative that curry is a goat offensive player/scorer candidate pushed by the analytics boys and TS% is what shouldn’t be bought

Who has said Curry is the greatest scorer? His offensive value is HEAVILY skewed towards his off ball impact. What makes him great isn't what would make someone a great last second shooter.

[dooki667]

He gets pass his team did not show up

Read on Twitter

?s=20

No he doesn’t get a pass. When was the last time curry got ANY blame? You and the entire media give curry a pass every single time they lose. It’s somehow never his fault. He’s the superstar. Somehow the “get all the praise when they win and get the blame when they lose” never applies to him when it comes to losing. He choked 2 shots. He didn’t call a timeout. He just threw the ball out of bounce. Multiple screw ups by the superstar of the team at the end of the game.

That throwing the ball over his head, HOPING someone was there is what got me. The shots, you make some, you miss some. He got the ball at the end, and just said "Someone else's problem!" I initially thought it must've been deflected, coz it wasnt even in the DIRECTION of a Warrior on-court. But no, he just punched his card, and said "I'm out!" All that with a timeout still available... And yes, it reminded me of the behind the back dribble that went OOB in 2016. Again, "someone else's problem"...

I understand why he did it maybe he could have called a t.o before Bron tied him up but if not u get a jumpball with like 1 second well that's game Klay was open but from the ground 1 can he see him 2 there's a defender in between to pick it off. his teammate I forget who was right over can he get him the ball maybe but LeBron might knock that away plus he'd be doubled with his back to the basket and curry down right in front of him limiting movement so I can understand his logic

[LouisLitt]

Can't believe somebody is crapping on Steph Curry, who had a legendary performance.

I'm a Laker fan and I'm happy, but the Warriors are a great, great team, with the best offensive player ever.

It was a fantastic game, with an surprise hero in Lonnie Walker, who had a better 4th quarter than many AT Greats.

Why we can't enjoy the games and the players without crapping too much every time on great players ?

No where close to a legendary performance. Lost them the game on defense (Lakers had nothing in that 4th quarter other than hunting Curry), threw away the ball randomly for no reason, and couldn't get past a 7 footer for a good shot despite two opportunities.

But it's Steph, so we have to treat him like a Make-A-Wish kid.

All you have to do is take Lebron, put him in the situation Steph had, and ask yourself what the response would be.

Would literally anyone have said Lebron had a legendary performance if he did what Steph did yesterday? No.

[BobbyPortisEyes]

It's not that shocking, Curry isn't a hero ball type of player. He gets his shots off from moving without the ball and the flow of the offense, those things break down in the clutch and iso ball is not his thing. While he has very good PG skills, it's not like he has Lebron-like court vision so he's limited in these situations.

[Marrrcuss]

Can't believe somebody is crapping on Steph Curry, who had a legendary performance.

I'm a Laker fan and I'm happy, but the Warriors are a great, great team, with the best offensive player ever.

It was a fantastic game, with an surprise hero in Lonnie Walker, who had a better 4th quarter than many AT Greats.

Why we can't enjoy the games and the players without crapping too much every time on great players ?

No where close to a legendary performance. Lost them the game on defense (Lakers had nothing in that 4th quarter other than hunting Curry), threw away the ball randomly for no reason, and couldn't get past a 7 footer for a good shot despite two opportunities.

But it's Steph, so we have to treat him like a Make-A-Wish kid.

All you have to do is take Lebron, put him in the situation Steph had, and ask yourself what the response would be.

Would literally anyone have said Lebron had a legendary performance if he did what Steph did yesterday? No.

[twyzted]

Chill guys i never said it wasnt great, which it is.
I was refering to the tweet that said he was 17-29…

Shots to take the lead are more impressive than shots down 3 though. Yours is more cherry picked than the 17-29, no offense

"YAY! We're NOW down by less than 3! Pull up a chair, guys!"

Yeah posting a correction is a attempt at “burning” Lebron.
But yeah imagine being unhappy at tying a game

Mayby he should be happy when those go in since he shoots at 18%fg in game tying/winning shots.

[AbeVigodaLive]

A bit of everything for everyone in this thread, so I can see this discussion continuing right up to the next game. Have fun internet!!!

- Curry shot poorly... missed some big shots at the end... and made a really stupid TO with 5 seconds left.

... AND...

- Curry went for 31 / 10 / 14 with 3 steals and only 2 TOs. Almost any Warriors successful possession when through him whether it was from him scoring, or on an assist, or on a hockey assist.

How was the FT disparity in this game? Historic?

I think a lot of people get confused about the Lakers FTA differential.

The rarity of the Lakers dominance is not about any one game. It's that they've held an advantage from the line in 40 of the past 43 games, which comes out at a historic FTA differential rate. One game might be +8 like last night. Another might be +20 like Game 3. Or even +4. Or whatever.

But at the end of the day... the Lakers have figured out a game plan to get fouled more than other teams and more importantly put their opponents on the line less than other teams in virtually every single game since February, shortly after getting screwed by a bad call vs. Boston.

For example, even though GSW was #30 in the league in FTA this season... they shot 20.3 FTA per game. Even though Sacramento was #2 in FTA differential (+2.1) behind the Lakers... the Warriors shot 25.1 FTA in Round 1.

The Warriors are shooting only 12.5 FTAs this series vs. LAL. The Lakers are just better than any other team (maybe ever) at not fouling.

They're going to win the NBA title... and it'll be in part because of their free throw dominance.

[The Laker Kid]

It's crazy how everyone here turned on Curry just like that. He's a hall of famer, but reading these posts you'd think they're talking about Smush Parker. lol

[Sofia]

Hero ball culture in the NBA is pushed by media maniacs who mythologies Jordan.

Curry usually has 2 guys or at least the best defender on him at the end and he feels he needs to take these shots because people say he should. Same people trash LeBron for passing out at end game situations. But LeBron's passing out is why he doesn't get doubled as much at the end and why he makes so many clutch plays.

Just stop buying the narrative.

Don’t think anyone’s buying that narrative. Curry’s end of game iq is part of the whole shot making issue. But all the greats face multiple defenders at the end of games. If we’re just talking guards guys like Lillard Kobe AI wade etc, but they can take on the whole defense and get you a clutch bucket and/or create for a teammate.

But the narrative that curry is a goat offensive player/scorer candidate pushed by the analytics boys and TS% is what shouldn’t be bought

Who has said Curry is the greatest scorer? His offensive value is HEAVILY skewed towards his off ball impact. What makes him great isn't what would make someone a great last second shooter.

Curry is allegedly the greatest scorer this century

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2286488&p=105840641

[dhsilv2]

Don’t think anyone’s buying that narrative. Curry’s end of game iq is part of the whole shot making issue. But all the greats face multiple defenders at the end of games. If we’re just talking guards guys like Lillard Kobe AI wade etc, but they can take on the whole defense and get you a clutch bucket and/or create for a teammate.

But the narrative that curry is a goat offensive player/scorer candidate pushed by the analytics boys and TS% is what shouldn’t be bought

Who has said Curry is the greatest scorer? His offensive value is HEAVILY skewed towards his off ball impact. What makes him great isn't what would make someone a great last second shooter.

Curry is allegedly the greatest scorer this century

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2286488&p=105840641

One dumb poll, and it doesn't include Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Jokic...

Hard to take that serious done so obviously designed to just crap on KD.

[ghillphx]

For all time great scoring guards is he one of the worst with last second shots? He has had moments in the regular season obv, but I’m unimpressed with what he’s done in the playoffs.

Not just today, but his overall body of work in the playoffs. His inability to get to the ft line at will combined with some questionable decision making are the main contributing factors imo when it comes to his last second shot making ability in the playoffs.

This is all off eye test.

EDIT - not to mention the timeout blunder vs SAC. And todays non timeout with the ball. Not taking k love to the basket. Makes you think the nerves get to him when you look at these decisions combined with the numbers someone posted below 0-12.

They have four titles. So, who cares.

I actually have to agree with this.

I guess the fact that the warriors didnt need Curry's last second heroics to win 4 titles means that they weren't relevant for the bottom line. & a testament to how great those teams were.

4 rings is 4 rings.

Exactly. I'd rather be on a team that doesn't need last minute heroics as often. Period.

[Sofia]

Who has said Curry is the greatest scorer? His offensive value is HEAVILY skewed towards his off ball impact. What makes him great isn't what would make someone a great last second shooter.

Curry is allegedly the greatest scorer this century

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2286488&p=105840641

One dumb poll, and it doesn't include Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Jokic...

Hard to take that serious done so obviously designed to just crap on KD.

One dumb poll with 87+ participants

[dhsilv2]

Curry is allegedly the greatest scorer this century

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2286488&p=105840641

One dumb poll, and it doesn't include Kobe, Harden, Lebron, Jokic...

Hard to take that serious done so obviously designed to just crap on KD.

One dumb poll with 87+ participants

Which is an extremely low number for some polls here. Also we all knew it was a troll (I didn't vote though posted in the thread) post. It wasn't like it was intended or could be taken seriously.

[CIN-C-STAR]

you can be critical of Steph and still think he's an all-time great.

I believe Steph is near dame/harden in terms of basketball ability but he's been extremely fortunate in his career to have much more success than those guys have had so he's perceived ranking is higher than it should be.

I think if you switch Harden and Steph in 2014, Warriors should atleast won 6-7 rings at this point without recruiting KD, Harden arguably the GOAT while the Steph-led Rockets might make the Semis or even Conference Finals from time to time but won't sniff NBA Finals because Harden-led GSW won the West for 9 straight years.

Ive been getting so much hate for saying that lol

snowflakes wanna believe anyone can be great. that's not true. size and athleticism matters. there's a reason why the best player on a championship team isn't the shortest player. kawhi, KD, Kobe, dwade, dirk, even Paul Pierce can get THEIR shot off when their teams need them to. they're not running around screens or hoping to catch their defender sleeping. that's not reliable the deeper you get into the playoffs because good teams don't make as many mistakes.

The best player on literally the most recent championship team was the shortest player on his team and is also the subject of this thread.
So, there goes that theory I guess

[bovice]

I think if you switch Harden and Steph in 2014, Warriors should atleast won 6-7 rings at this point without recruiting KD, Harden arguably the GOAT while the Steph-led Rockets might make the Semis or even Conference Finals from time to time but won't sniff NBA Finals because Harden-led GSW won the West for 9 straight years.

Ive been getting so much hate for saying that lol

snowflakes wanna believe anyone can be great. that's not true. size and athleticism matters. there's a reason why the best player on a championship team isn't the shortest player. kawhi, KD, Kobe, dwade, dirk, even Paul Pierce can get THEIR shot off when their teams need them to. they're not running around screens or hoping to catch their defender sleeping. that's not reliable the deeper you get into the playoffs because good teams don't make as many mistakes.

The best player on literally the most recent championship team was the shortest player on his team and is also the subject of this thread.
So, there goes that theory I guess

yeah historically it's true. IT on the pistons and Steph in '22 are exceptions. you look at the teams the warriors had to beat to get to the finals and then it's experienced vs inexperienced it's not hard to see why they won it. nuggets without Murray and MPJ. grizzlies with brooks out for basically 2 games and ja injured midway thru. a mavs team that had no business getting to the conference finals. exceptions do happen