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Griffin
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Post#1141 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 16, 2023 5:32 pm

jimmybones wrote:I'd love to hear Charles Lee's answer to

"What adjustments would you have made against Miami"
"What type of offensive and defensive gameplan would you employ with the current personnel?"
"Would that game plan change based on personnel?"
"Do Charles Lee have it all?"

Every candidate will be asked about Miami and their offensive/defensive philosophy. And asked specifically about our roster. It's why it's a good idea to interview a slew of them
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Post#1142 » by paulpressey25 » Tue May 16, 2023 5:34 pm

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Post#1143 » by mubucks00 » Tue May 16, 2023 5:35 pm

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jimmybones wrote:I'd love to hear Charles Lee's answer to

"What adjustments would you have made against Miami"
"What type of offensive and defensive gameplan would you employ with the current personnel?"
"Would that game plan change based on personnel?"
"Do Charles Lee have it all?"

How about, "Where were you when Bud was self-destructing/not adjusting/not using timeouts?"

Ive seen a video where both assistants freak out at the same time when no timeout is called.
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Post#1144 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 16, 2023 5:40 pm

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jimmybones wrote:I'd love to hear Charles Lee's answer to

"What adjustments would you have made against Miami"
"What type of offensive and defensive gameplan would you employ with the current personnel?"
"Would that game plan change based on personnel?"
"Do Charles Lee have it all?"

How about, "Where were you when Bud was self-destructing/not adjusting/not using timeouts?"

Ive seen a video where both assistants freak out at the same time when no timeout is called.

Yeah? Would be interested to see that. A great assistant is in his coach's ear in those situations, not sitting back afraid of confrontation. Heard an interesting take that maybe Borrego is a lead assistant candidate to pair with Lee.
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Post#1145 » by TroyD92 » Tue May 16, 2023 5:57 pm

I'd prefer avoiding Charles just because Giannis will remain comfortable with the way he plays and he really needs to transition away from the bull in a china shop style of playing.
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Post#1146 » by Daver » Tue May 16, 2023 6:11 pm

Please explain what exactly this board is looking for with a HC is it just the dislike for a certain guy cause i dont understand the no way for doc hes won 1 more chip than bud his teams seems to win pretty consistantly wjy is everyone so negative on rivers.His resume is a hell of alot better than KA monty and even nurses
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Post#1147 » by emunney » Tue May 16, 2023 6:20 pm

Daver wrote:Please explain what exactly this board is looking for with a HC is it just the dislike for a certain guy cause i dont understand the no way for doc hes won 1 more chip than bud his teams seems to win pretty consistantly wjy is everyone so negative on rivers.His resume is a hell of alot better than KA monty and even nurses


He won one ring 15 years ago. Despite constantly getting jobs with teams with championship aspirations, he hasn't been out of the 2nd round in more than a decade. Also despite his name he will not look at my rash.
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Post#1148 » by Ron Swanson » Tue May 16, 2023 6:24 pm

I think the "coach needs to yell at Giannis to stop making dumb decisions" is a massive oversimplification and not really something that you should ever expect a coach to "fix" if the inherent ability (court vision) is lacking. Feels like we're back to the same pre-championship criticisms of Giannis (i.e. use him more like a true rim-running big) and just like 3-years ago, I can't get behind that. I think we all need to accept that this is likely the finished product of him as a player, and that even the greatest offensive minds aren't going to just magically come in here and X's and O's him into having better offensive IQ.
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Post#1149 » by paulpressey25 » Tue May 16, 2023 6:31 pm

Daver wrote:Please explain what exactly this board is looking for with a HC is it just the dislike for a certain guy cause i dont understand the no way for doc hes won 1 more chip than bud his teams seems to win pretty consistantly wjy is everyone so negative on rivers.His resume is a hell of alot better than KA monty and even nurses


Doc's resume is horrible. Check out that playoff record in close out games. It is the worst ever. And he's had some really talented teams. I think he's washed.

When he started with Orlando back in 1999 (?) he was a fresh face and earned a lot of points for getting a less talented Orlando team to a .500 record. At this point however, he makes Bud look dynamic and youthful.
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Post#1150 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 16, 2023 6:47 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I think the "coach needs to yell at Giannis to stop making dumb decisions" is a massive oversimplification and not really something that you should ever expect a coach to "fix" if the inherent ability (court vision) is lacking. Feels like we're back to the same pre-championship criticisms of Giannis (i.e. use him more like a true rim-running big) and just like 3-years ago, I can't get behind that. I think we all need to accept that this is likely the finished product of him as a player, and that even the greatest offensive minds aren't going to just magically come in here and X's and O's him into having better offensive IQ.


This. Giannis' game is what it is after 10 years. His BBIQ isn't changing. Not that a different coach can't make changes to the offense. But any thoughts that his game will somehow magically transform are misplaced.
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Post#1151 » by Daver » Tue May 16, 2023 6:49 pm

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Daver wrote:Please explain what exactly this board is looking for with a HC is it just the dislike for a certain guy cause i dont understand the no way for doc hes won 1 more chip than bud his teams seems to win pretty consistantly wjy is everyone so negative on rivers.His resume is a hell of alot better than KA monty and even nurses


He won one ring 15 years ago. Despite constantly getting jobs with teams with championship aspirations, he hasn't been out of the 2nd round in more than a decade. Also despite his name he will not look at my rash.




I read he won 2 rings so i read wrong then
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Post#1152 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 16, 2023 6:50 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I think the "coach needs to yell at Giannis to stop making dumb decisions" is a massive oversimplification and not really something that you should ever expect a coach to "fix" if the inherent ability (court vision) is lacking. Feels like we're back to the same pre-championship criticisms of Giannis (i.e. use him more like a true rim-running big) and just like 3-years ago, I can't get behind that. I think we all need to accept that this is likely the finished product of him as a player, and that even the greatest offensive minds aren't going to just magically come in here and X's and O's him into having better offensive IQ.


This. Giannis' game is what it is after 10 years. His BBIQ isn't changing. Not that a different coach can't make changes to the offense. But any thoughts that his game will somehow magically transform are misplaced.

This is how I am slowly talking myself into Monty. He is well respected by Giannis. He just might be able to get Giannis to buy into being more of a screener. Ayton was unwilling and pitched a hissy fit, but Giannis might be more receptive. Just an uptick in that department would pay dividends, you can still have good chunks of the game with Giannis facilitating.
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Post#1153 » by LUKE23 » Tue May 16, 2023 6:53 pm

Anyone who even gives a slight promotion of hiring Doc Rivers is permanently banned from this site. I will become a moderator just for that purpose.
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Post#1154 » by Daver » Tue May 16, 2023 6:56 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I think the "coach needs to yell at Giannis to stop making dumb decisions" is a massive oversimplification and not really something that you should ever expect a coach to "fix" if the inherent ability (court vision) is lacking. Feels like we're back to the same pre-championship criticisms of Giannis (i.e. use him more like a true rim-running big) and just like 3-years ago, I can't get behind that. I think we all need to accept that this is likely the finished product of him as a player, and that even the greatest offensive minds aren't going to just magically come in here and X's and O's him into having better offensive IQ.


This. Giannis' game is what it is after 10 years. His BBIQ isn't changing. Not that a different coach can't make changes to the offense. But any thoughts that his game will somehow magically transform are misplaced.




You are all right when it comes to giannis but the funny thing is every year he keeps saying how every year he trys to get better n work on things( yet his 3 biggest problems FTs midrange and low post are all pretty non existent) makes me wonder what exactly hes doing to his game to mske him better.
The thing is if he ever did find a J or get a low post game whoever would be his coach would absolutely be in heaven his job would so soooo much easier
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Post#1155 » by Daver » Tue May 16, 2023 6:57 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Anyone who even gives a slight promotion of hiring Doc Rivers is permanently banned from this site. I will become a moderator just for that purpose.



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Post#1156 » by MickeyDavis » Tue May 16, 2023 6:58 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I think the "coach needs to yell at Giannis to stop making dumb decisions" is a massive oversimplification and not really something that you should ever expect a coach to "fix" if the inherent ability (court vision) is lacking. Feels like we're back to the same pre-championship criticisms of Giannis (i.e. use him more like a true rim-running big) and just like 3-years ago, I can't get behind that. I think we all need to accept that this is likely the finished product of him as a player, and that even the greatest offensive minds aren't going to just magically come in here and X's and O's him into having better offensive IQ.


This. Giannis' game is what it is after 10 years. His BBIQ isn't changing. Not that a different coach can't make changes to the offense. But any thoughts that his game will somehow magically transform are misplaced.

This is how I am slowly talking myself into Monty. He is well respected by Giannis. He just might be able to get Giannis to buy into being more of a screener. Ayton was unwilling and pitched a hissy fit, but Giannis might be more receptive. Just an uptick in that department would pay dividends, you can still have good chunks of the game with Giannis facilitating.

Agreed. I think Giannis is very coachable. But his instincts tend take over. Which is often fantastic. But sometimes not (barreling into the wall and getting into foul trouble and/or injured, jacking up ill advised 3's). But even some small tweaks could make a positive difference.
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Post#1157 » by machu46 » Tue May 16, 2023 7:16 pm

Much like how Giannis has shown improved shooting mechanics and then seen him fall back into his bad habits once he hits adversity with it, you see the same with his general mentality. We'll get these long stretches of him operating in more of an off-ball, screen-heavy role but when things start to break down, he returns to the comfort of having the ball in his hands trying to make something happen. It's unfortunate, but pretty normal and understandable and just something you have to deal with in having arguably the best player in the league on your team. You can try to add more ball-handling and playmaking to the team to take the pressure off him, but realistically, the ball is going to find it's way to Giannis, Jrue, or Khris when the going gets tough and if the latter two aren't handling the ball well, it'll for sure be going to Giannis.
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Post#1158 » by sidney lanier » Tue May 16, 2023 7:38 pm

A leopard cannot change its spots
For Giannis to get his best shots
Better get stops and run
In the half court we're done
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Post#1159 » by TroyD92 » Tue May 16, 2023 7:43 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I think the "coach needs to yell at Giannis to stop making dumb decisions" is a massive oversimplification and not really something that you should ever expect a coach to "fix" if the inherent ability (court vision) is lacking. Feels like we're back to the same pre-championship criticisms of Giannis (i.e. use him more like a true rim-running big) and just like 3-years ago, I can't get behind that. I think we all need to accept that this is likely the finished product of him as a player, and that even the greatest offensive minds aren't going to just magically come in here and X's and O's him into having better offensive IQ.



This. Giannis' game is what it is after 10 years. His BBIQ isn't changing. Not that a different coach can't make changes to the offense. But any thoughts that his game will somehow magically transform are misplaced.


It doesn’t need to transform it just needs to be reigned in.
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Post#1160 » by emunney » Tue May 16, 2023 7:51 pm

I think Giannis is coachable and capable of halfcourt execution. Generally speaking, I think 90% of our halfcourt problems would be solved if 1) we worked as a team to get catches for Giannis inside 15 feet and 2) Giannis went immediately on the catch. If the double's there, he should be able to get rid of it with a touch. If nobody's open, that's not on Giannis. If the double's not there, he's going to win clean a lot of the time if he goes right away, and the rest of the time he's going to have a lot of opportunities to use the fakes and counters *that he has* but which aren't super useful when he's backing a guy down, because most good defenders are just going to wait for him to shoot a turnaround and let him. It just doesn't work to get a touch at 15 feet, let Bam anchor, and then try to back him down. You're never going to get a great shot out of that. But if you turn, face, go, that's Game 6 Giannis.

It's the waiting that kills us: guys waiting for Giannis to go, Giannis waiting for guys to cut, defense getting progressively more organized.
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