Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[YogurtProducer]

So far from just reading in different parts of the internet I’ve seen like maybe 2 blazers fans that actually like Siakam and want him. lol

Everyone else would rather have the third pick.

Hopefully their GM isn’t just lying to keep Lillard happy and is actually going to trade that pick. If so we have to be one of the teams that have a chance at landing him. Hope Bobby and Masai aren’t still **** ing delusional about this core.

99% of fans don't watch games outside their home team and what is on ESPN.

So they have probably watched Siakam play like 2 times in their life.

[And1Skip]

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[hyper316]

Siakam is being so slept on. He'd be so awesome with Lillard, that it makes me kinda want to get Lillard now.

Maybe if we had tanked and had a good pick and future picks to move. Lillard/OG/Pascal would be outstanding together. Rehire Nurse.

All we need is a Fred opt-in. Then it's FVV, pick and filler ( Thad + ).

We can grab Dame if he wants to change teams, get him at a discount because of the Blazers doing him a solid.

Dame
OG
Barnes
Pascal
Poeltl

GTJ, Precious, OPJ, Boucher

Need a back-up combo guard for the MLE, but I think we are a dark horse

I thought we can't trade any of our picks for a awhile because our pick for Poeltl in 2024 is conditional so it may roll into future years

[OakleyDokely]

Maybe if we had tanked and had a good pick and future picks to move. Lillard/OG/Pascal would be outstanding together. Rehire Nurse.

All we need is a Fred opt-in. Then it's FVV, pick and filler ( Thad + ).

We can grab Dame if he wants to change teams, get him at a discount because of the Blazers doing him a solid.

Dame
OG
Barnes
Pascal
Poeltl

GTJ, Precious, OPJ, Boucher

Need a back-up combo guard for the MLE, but I think we are a dark horse

I thought we can't trade any of our picks for a awhile because our pick for Poeltl in 2024 is conditional so it may roll into future years

Trade would have to completed after the draft. Pick for POR and then make the deal.

[PhilBlackson]

Doesn't really matter what fans think, it's what the GMs/Presidents/Owners think.

Thing is, I don't think GM's really think to highly on Siakam either.

POR has been circling us the last 2 years BOTH at last year's draft AND at this past deadline.

The ONLY issue I see is Masai (period).

He has to stop this crazy overvaluation of his players, that's the only thing I see standing in the way of a deal. POR has more than shown interest in our players, arguably shown THE most interest of any of the opposing teams as they've been linked to wanting either/both of OG and Pascal. So it's really a matter imo, if Masai will stop being so goddamn annoying in acting like we have Giannis and not Siakam lol. Meaning I could see him irrationally EXPECTING to get BOTH the 3rd and Sharpe for JUST Pascal or multiple futures in addition and that WON'T happen.

POR pushed back when they offered 7th + Hart for OG which was more than fair imo but Masai was adament that we get another pick and the deal fell through, now we'll regret that and I'm just hoping history doesn't repeat itself because my guess will be that POR offers 3rd + Simons and MAYBE one more pick but Masai will have Mitchell and Gobert in his head and push for 3+ picks or Sharpe to which POR tells him to f off AGAIN. Then they go make some stupid short-sighted trade for KAT or something, who will solve nothing for them.

Where I do think he could actually leverage a team to paying more than expected is HOUSTON. I think they'd give their pick, plus more & even a couple of their young guys, Eason, Smith Jr etc. Heck of course Green's name was floated out there already but I think Tilman as a new owner is just DYING to get more fans in the stands as their attendance has been garbage since Harden left, hence the desire to bring the StripClub King home that I can easily see the Rockets overpaying to be "relevant" again. Only issue is while Amen is still an exciting prospect...he's not Scoot lol.

[HumbleRen]

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Yeah man, I don't see Portland keeping Dame lol.

[hyper316]

All we need is a Fred opt-in. Then it's FVV, pick and filler ( Thad + ).

We can grab Dame if he wants to change teams, get him at a discount because of the Blazers doing him a solid.

Dame
OG
Barnes
Pascal
Poeltl

GTJ, Precious, OPJ, Boucher

Need a back-up combo guard for the MLE, but I think we are a dark horse

I thought we can't trade any of our picks for a awhile because our pick for Poeltl in 2024 is conditional so it may roll into future years

Trade would have to completed after the draft. Pick for POR and then make the deal.

You mean next year draft (2024) right?

[OakleyDokely]

I thought we can't trade any of our picks for a awhile because our pick for Poeltl in 2024 is conditional so it may roll into future years

Trade would have to completed after the draft. Pick for POR and then make the deal.

You mean next year draft (2024) right?

The pick would have to be 2023.

[mtcan]

The discourse online around Siakam is so wild lol.

Literally every fanbase thinks he’s a scrub or something. I’m seeing Portland fans saying they rather get Mikal than Siakam.

Like I get he isn’t the sexiest player to watch in terms of his game but man, that bubble series 3 years ago has done irreparable damage to his name.

Bridges over Siakam? lol

We all got to see Mikal Bridges when he is has a larger starring role and more minutes after getting to Brooklyn...and only his scoring went up but literally none of his other counting stats.

He averaged 1 steal per game this past season and did not even sniff an NBA all-defensive team.

Scoring is a push. Rebounding and playmaking...Siakam is significantly better. Bridges is probably a better wing defender but the delta isn't huge...and Bridges averaged 0.1 more steals than Pascal.

Other than Bridges being 3 years younger and a marginally better defender...Pascal is the better player overall.

And someone said that a Bridges/Claxton package is much better than Siakam/OG package...and that is completely wrong.

[The Duke]

The problem is the valuation (that POR likely sees):

#3 > Siakam + #13
#3 >> OG + #13
Sharpe > OG

[Steelo Green]

Didn't a recent Athletic story come out saying teams don't value Pascal?

[HumbleRen]

The discourse online around Siakam is so wild lol.

Literally every fanbase thinks he’s a scrub or something. I’m seeing Portland fans saying they rather get Mikal than Siakam.

Like I get he isn’t the sexiest player to watch in terms of his game but man, that bubble series 3 years ago has done irreparable damage to his name.

Bridges over Siakam? lol

We all got to see Mikal Bridges when he is has a larger starring role and more minutes after getting to Brooklyn...and only his scoring went up but literally none of his other counting stats.

He averaged 1 steal per game this past season and did not even sniff an NBA all-defensive team.

Scoring is a push. Rebounding and playmaking...Siakam is significantly better. Bridges is probably a better wing defender but the delta isn't huge...and Bridges averaged 0.1 more steals than Pascal.

Other than Bridges being 3 years younger and a marginally better defender...Pascal is the better player overall.

And someone said that a Bridges/Claxton package is much better than Siakam/OG package...and that is completely wrong.

Mikal is an more attractive piece because he's a potentially a better scorer and his contract is amazing.

Siakam is the more complete player but can still potentially make a supermax or get a max extension that will pay him 45M a year.

While Mikal will be making half of that until 2026.

[Tor_Raps]

Simons + Sharpe + 3rd Pick for Siakam + Precious + Flynn + 13th Pick + Future 2nd Rounder

Simons
Miller/Scoot
OG
Barnes
Poeltl

These trades are beyond laughable.
Start with putting Siakam and OG in the trade, with Raptors getting back either #3 or Sharpe (not both), then match salaries if possible

Your counter is probably more laughable since the Raptors rejected Sharpe + Hart just for OG last year. And please don't tell me that Sharpe being a non factor for 95% of the year and then doing well in garbage time at the end makes him untouchable all of a sudden lol.

Portland is the desperate team trying to contend around Lillards last few years. Raptors don't have to trade Siakam or OG here lol.

[The Duke]

Simons + Sharpe + 3rd Pick for Siakam + Precious + Flynn + 13th Pick + Future 2nd Rounder

Simons
Miller/Scoot
OG
Barnes
Poeltl

These trades are beyond laughable.
Start with putting Siakam and OG in the trade, with Raptors getting back either #3 or Sharpe (not both), then match salaries if possible

Your counter is probably more laughable since the Raptors rejected Sharpe + Hart just for OG last year. And please don't tell me that Sharpe being a non factor for 95% of the year and then doing well in garbage time at the end makes him untouchable all of a sudden lol.

Portland is the desperate team trying to contend around Lillards last few years. Raptors don't have to trade Siakam or OG here lol.

No one said Sharpe was untouchable.
Portland is not desperate.
Portland Liddard and the #3 pick are the two highest individual assets on either team (trade value POV)

[ItsDanger]

The problem is the valuation (that POR likely sees):

#3 > Siakam + #13
#3 >> OG + #13
Sharpe > OG

Then they're going to waste Lillard's remaining 2-3 quality seasons in NBA. I don't agree with any of those valuations in the short term. Long term, sure maybe but that is not the equation here at all. The Lillard variable must be included.

[PhilBlackson]

The problem is the valuation (that POR likely sees):

#3 > Siakam + #13
#3 >> OG + #13
Sharpe > OG

You literally have no idea what’s POR’s valuation or not lol

Idk why you keep repeating like you do with such certainty as if you work for the FO. They were willing to give up the 7th (which ofc was Sharpe) + Hart for OG alone, never mind being combined with a lottery pick and I say that more in relation to the first trade you proposed which was Siakam + 13 which especially if it’s not Scoot, is utterly ridiculous to believe they wouldn’t jump at an all NBA player plus keep lotto pick for a young player that does not project to be a franchise player. That would also make OG + 13 an outside possibility as well if it’s Miller, if it’s Scoot then yes I maybe with you on OG not being enough but you’re just making endless pessimistic assumptions based on nothing other than personal opinion.

The only part I agree with you on is that Sharpe is likely completely off the table unless they’re getting a true star back (which neither guy is). But your assumptions are baseless when POR has been trying to get our starting forwards for almost 2 years now, they clearly WANT our players so they’re not gonna act like they’re only willing to part with their garbage lol and there’s already criteria to show they’ve offered a lotto pick + a good rotation piece for the LESSER of our 2 players.

[ArthurVandelay]

Doesn't really matter what fans think, it's what the GMs/Presidents/Owners think.

Thing is, I don't think GM's really think to highly on Siakam either.

I'm not so sure about that, he's made multiple all-nba teams, allstar games. These are things decided on by people who cover or are around the game a lot. I think people in NBA circles know what he provides.

The number of anonymous executives trashing him and the number of rumors of him being shopped tells you everything you need to know about Siakam's value around the league. If his value was trash, anonymous executives wouldn't be trashing him or saying how available he is.

[Tor_Raps]

These trades are beyond laughable.
Start with putting Siakam and OG in the trade, with Raptors getting back either #3 or Sharpe (not both), then match salaries if possible

Your counter is probably more laughable since the Raptors rejected Sharpe + Hart just for OG last year. And please don't tell me that Sharpe being a non factor for 95% of the year and then doing well in garbage time at the end makes him untouchable all of a sudden lol.

Portland is the desperate team trying to contend around Lillards last few years. Raptors don't have to trade Siakam or OG here lol.

No one said Sharpe was untouchable.
Portland is not desperate.
Portland Liddard and the #3 pick are the two highest individual assets on either team (trade value POV)

Only if things worked that way, we wouldn't see dumb trades like the Gobert one. There's a reason why Wiggins (who was supposed to be a cant miss prospect) + other good assets were traded for Kevin Love.

Based on all the reporting, Portland is eager to make something happen this offseason or they are going to have to trade Lillard. I don't see a better player than Siakam being available so good luck to the Blazers then lol.

[mtcan]

The discourse online around Siakam is so wild lol.

Literally every fanbase thinks he’s a scrub or something. I’m seeing Portland fans saying they rather get Mikal than Siakam.

Like I get he isn’t the sexiest player to watch in terms of his game but man, that bubble series 3 years ago has done irreparable damage to his name.

Bridges over Siakam? lol

We all got to see Mikal Bridges when he is has a larger starring role and more minutes after getting to Brooklyn...and only his scoring went up but literally none of his other counting stats.

He averaged 1 steal per game this past season and did not even sniff an NBA all-defensive team.

Scoring is a push. Rebounding and playmaking...Siakam is significantly better. Bridges is probably a better wing defender but the delta isn't huge...and Bridges averaged 0.1 more steals than Pascal.

Other than Bridges being 3 years younger and a marginally better defender...Pascal is the better player overall.

And someone said that a Bridges/Claxton package is much better than Siakam/OG package...and that is completely wrong.

Mikal is an more attractive piece because he's a potentially a better scorer and his contract is amazing.

Siakam is the more complete player but can still potentially make a supermax or get a max extension that will pay him 45M a year.

While Mikal will be making half of that until 2026.

I don’t see the potential...at 26...what is the potential? He averaged 26 points as the focal point of Brooklyn's offence but even given the increased usage...he didn't average any more assists or rebounds.

His efficiency will go down as his usage goes up and teams start to gameplan around him.

Mikal is a bit overrated meanwhile...Pascal's been doing this for the few seasons while being a better passer and rebounder.

...and once Pascal is traded...no more supermax.

And honestly...I wouldn't want the Raptors to give him the supermax...so it is the best situation for everyone to trade Pascal now.

[will]

The small sample size of what Bridges was doing in BK is way more than what Pascal will ever do.

The rate at which Bridges gets to the FT line and KNOCKS DOWN his goddamn free throws alone is worth it.