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Post#121 » by Norm2953 » Mon May 22, 2023 4:57 pm

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Pattycakes wrote:I like Jaylen in general but to me the 3 and Ant have more value to our organization currently - esp with JB due an extension that he may or may not even want to sign here. I’m leaning he wouldn’t


Again, I would assume the Blazers only do a JB trade with a guarantee he's extending.


All the Blazers could do is tell him Portland would give him his max extension if they traded for him.
If he told Portland he would not sign the extension, there would be no deal
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Post#122 » by Norm2953 » Mon May 22, 2023 5:01 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:Can any Blazer season ticket holder verify this email?

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A lot of effort being put into rebuilding the Blazers by their fans but, if this email is true, it really and truly appears Dame is sticking around for the foreseeable future.


Alex Tam is actually my nephew :lol:

I wouldn't put much stock in these e-mails or promises. Teams can flip at the drop of the hat when it suits them.
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Post#123 » by ArthurVandelay » Mon May 22, 2023 5:05 pm

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ArthurVandelay wrote:Can any Blazer season ticket holder verify this email?

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A lot of effort being put into rebuilding the Blazers by their fans but, if this email is true, it really and truly appears Dame is sticking around for the foreseeable future.


I can't verify it, but even if it is true it doesn't mean much...certainly nothing 'really and truly'. The Blazers are going to do everything they can to get butts in seats and Lillard is the main attraction for potential season ticket holders and casual fans--they are going to sell that angle no matter what. Even if the plan is to trade Lillard, why would the org let fans and season ticket holders know that?


Valid points.

Seems risky to sell Dame and then trade him when it comes to getting 2024-2025 season ticket holders and beyond though.
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Post#124 » by JKiddy » Mon May 22, 2023 5:26 pm

Can I be honest?

I think POR is doing everything in their power to get the best sidekick to Dame using the #3 pick and Simons (and or Sharpe) now. If they can't make something happen I believe that Cronin, ownership, and Dame have an agreement similar to what KD had with the Nets after he first asked out last off-season.

The deal is if you are still unhappy with the team after we attempt but cannot get you the asset you need, and the trade offers are not as great as expected, that we will ship you to one of your preferred destinations before the trade deadline next season.

This is the most rational, logical, calm way of moving forward.

If Dame says he needs out now then this process might move quicker than this, but I feel like that is the only way it does.
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Post#125 » by Norm2953 » Mon May 22, 2023 6:18 pm

I do think the one player they would trade 3 for is Bridges for he's signed for the next 3 seasons on a
good contract.

The thing I would worry about is if Bridges in Portland would go back to what he was in Phoenix and
once again be a 18 ppg scorer for Dame and Jerami Grant will get their shots.

I don't doubt Portland is doing everything in their power to get a win now deal done but most of these
guys bandied about are in the last year of their deals and about to become expensive. In the end,
the new CBA is designed to prevent or discourage these win now moves
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#126 » by zzaj » Mon May 22, 2023 6:27 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
zzaj wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:Can any Blazer season ticket holder verify this email?

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A lot of effort being put into rebuilding the Blazers by their fans but, if this email is true, it really and truly appears Dame is sticking around for the foreseeable future.


I can't verify it, but even if it is true it doesn't mean much...certainly nothing 'really and truly'. The Blazers are going to do everything they can to get butts in seats and Lillard is the main attraction for potential season ticket holders and casual fans--they are going to sell that angle no matter what. Even if the plan is to trade Lillard, why would the org let fans and season ticket holders know that?


Valid points.

Seems risky to sell Dame and then trade him when it comes to getting 2024-2025 season ticket holders and beyond though.


The Blazer marketing team/PR is pretty 'meh', IMHO. They'll just pivot to a "let's get excited about the young talent" model if that happens. Honestly, in some ways it's much harder to deal with a season injury to a star player (of which Portland has had quite a few) than a trade of a star player for assets...at least you can spin the value of the assets.
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#127 » by DusterBuster » Mon May 22, 2023 7:07 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:Can any Blazer season ticket holder verify this email?

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A lot of effort being put into rebuilding the Blazers by their fans but, if this email is true, it really and truly appears Dame is sticking around for the foreseeable future.


Can confirm this is real and was sent out like 30 or so minutes after the lottery results came in.
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Post#128 » by Effigy » Tue May 23, 2023 5:52 am

DusterBuster wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:Can any Blazer season ticket holder verify this email?

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A lot of effort being put into rebuilding the Blazers by their fans but, if this email is true, it really and truly appears Dame is sticking around for the foreseeable future.


Can confirm this is real and was sent out like 30 or so minutes after the lottery results came in.

It’s marketing fluff. It doesn’t matter at all. Upper management will make their decisions with no regard to this email
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Post#129 » by monopoman » Tue May 23, 2023 9:44 am

Word is Toronto is still asking for the moon for either OG or Siakim, odds are the Blazers tell them to go **** themselves in a much nicer way.

The asking price of OG is roughly the same it was last year, and at that time I heard it was the following.

#7 pick (before Sharpe was drafted)
1st round pick in the future (Likely with little to no protection.)
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#130 » by DusterBuster » Tue May 23, 2023 2:26 pm

Effigy wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:Can any Blazer season ticket holder verify this email?

Read on Twitter



A lot of effort being put into rebuilding the Blazers by their fans but, if this email is true, it really and truly appears Dame is sticking around for the foreseeable future.


Can confirm this is real and was sent out like 30 or so minutes after the lottery results came in.

It’s marketing fluff. It doesn’t matter at all. Upper management will make their decisions with no regard to this email


Never said it mattered, just that it was real as something the marketing team sent out.
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#131 » by Effigy » Tue May 23, 2023 2:52 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
Effigy wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Can confirm this is real and was sent out like 30 or so minutes after the lottery results came in.

It’s marketing fluff. It doesn’t matter at all. Upper management will make their decisions with no regard to this email


Never said it mattered, just that it was real as something the marketing team sent out.


Yeah, that's fine, but to be fair, the guy you quoted said 'if this email is real it means Dame is staying!' and then you just said 'can confirm it is real' which makes it seem like you're endorsing what he is saying, so I was just pointing out that the email really doesn't reflect that one way or another IMO.
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Post#132 » by Showtime:Part2 » Wed May 24, 2023 6:34 am

Hello lakers fan coming in peace with questions. I know the fan base wants to rebuild but management seems to side w dame. How strongly do you believe this? 2) let’s assume 1)lebron retires/synthetically retires from la by sitting year out rehabbing his foot waiting for bronny 2)por management is dead set on winning now, would Portland entertain a 3, sharpe, nurkic (or any salary doesn’t have to be nurkic) for Anthony davis and Vanderbilt trade? Even if you don’t like it, do you think Portland management pulls the trigger if they go win now or can they find better?
Warspite:

Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant
To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
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Post#133 » by Village Idiot » Wed May 24, 2023 7:44 am

Showtime:Part2 wrote:Hello lakers fan coming in peace with questions. I know the fan base wants to rebuild but management seems to side w dame. How strongly do you believe this? 2) let’s assume 1)lebron retires/synthetically retires from la by sitting year out rehabbing his foot waiting for bronny 2)por management is dead set on winning now, would Portland entertain a 3, sharpe, nurkic (or any salary doesn’t have to be nurkic) for Anthony davis and Vanderbilt trade? Even if you don’t like it, do you think Portland management pulls the trigger if they go win now or can they find better?
I think that is exactly the kind of deal that the Blazers would make. I believe Dame and Davis have a relationship and we know Lillard advocated for acquiring Vanderbildt.

I would guess Portland would want to hold on to Sharpe but if they can free up the draft pick debt to the Bulls I can see:

Simons, Nurkic (salary filler), #3, and then two unprotected 1sts for AD and then Vanderbilt fits into the GP2 trade exception
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Post#134 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed May 24, 2023 2:05 pm

Village Idiot wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:Hello lakers fan coming in peace with questions. I know the fan base wants to rebuild but management seems to side w dame. How strongly do you believe this? 2) let’s assume 1)lebron retires/synthetically retires from la by sitting year out rehabbing his foot waiting for bronny 2)por management is dead set on winning now, would Portland entertain a 3, sharpe, nurkic (or any salary doesn’t have to be nurkic) for Anthony davis and Vanderbilt trade? Even if you don’t like it, do you think Portland management pulls the trigger if they go win now or can they find better?
I think that is exactly the kind of deal that the Blazers would make. I believe Dame and Davis have a relationship and we know Lillard advocated for acquiring Vanderbildt.

I would guess Portland would want to hold on to Sharpe but if they can free up the draft pick debt to the Bulls I can see:

Simons, Nurkic (salary filler), #3, and then two unprotected 1sts for AD and then Vanderbilt fits into the GP2 trade exception


I think thats pretty heavy w/ those 2 UNP FRPs due to AD's health - but would likely do that if we kept Dame.

Would also have to move 23 to CHI for the pick returned IMO.

G - Damian Lillard
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little
F - Jarred Vanderbilt / Justice Winslow
C - Anthony Davis / Drew Eubanks

That looks like a contender to me - unsure if we should use the MLE on a bench player or roll back the SS / Nas / JW / Drew crew.
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Post#135 » by zzaj » Wed May 24, 2023 4:57 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:Hello lakers fan coming in peace with questions. I know the fan base wants to rebuild but management seems to side w dame. How strongly do you believe this? 2) let’s assume 1)lebron retires/synthetically retires from la by sitting year out rehabbing his foot waiting for bronny 2)por management is dead set on winning now, would Portland entertain a 3, sharpe, nurkic (or any salary doesn’t have to be nurkic) for Anthony davis and Vanderbilt trade? Even if you don’t like it, do you think Portland management pulls the trigger if they go win now or can they find better?
I think that is exactly the kind of deal that the Blazers would make. I believe Dame and Davis have a relationship and we know Lillard advocated for acquiring Vanderbildt.

I would guess Portland would want to hold on to Sharpe but if they can free up the draft pick debt to the Bulls I can see:

Simons, Nurkic (salary filler), #3, and then two unprotected 1sts for AD and then Vanderbilt fits into the GP2 trade exception


I think thats pretty heavy w/ those 2 UNP FRPs due to AD's health - but would likely do that if we kept Dame.

Would also have to move 23 to CHI for the pick returned IMO.

G - Damian Lillard
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little
F - Jarred Vanderbilt / Justice Winslow
C - Anthony Davis / Drew Eubanks

That looks like a contender to me - unsure if we should use the MLE on a bench player or roll back the SS / Nas / JW / Drew crew.



Boy, I'd have to reaaaaally consider this one. I agree that it's probably the closest thing I've seen to an actual contender that has been proposed. The issue is AD's health. That team is one AD injury in the POs away from not amounting to anything, and the Blazers have zero future outside of Sharpe in this proposal. It's truly an 'all or nothing' proposal.

Additionally, when you consider the salaries and age of Lillard/Grant/Davis...this would put the Blazers in tax hell for the forseeable future.
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Post#136 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed May 24, 2023 5:08 pm

zzaj wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:I think that is exactly the kind of deal that the Blazers would make. I believe Dame and Davis have a relationship and we know Lillard advocated for acquiring Vanderbildt.

I would guess Portland would want to hold on to Sharpe but if they can free up the draft pick debt to the Bulls I can see:

Simons, Nurkic (salary filler), #3, and then two unprotected 1sts for AD and then Vanderbilt fits into the GP2 trade exception


I think thats pretty heavy w/ those 2 UNP FRPs due to AD's health - but would likely do that if we kept Dame.

Would also have to move 23 to CHI for the pick returned IMO.

G - Damian Lillard
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little
F - Jarred Vanderbilt / Justice Winslow
C - Anthony Davis / Drew Eubanks

That looks like a contender to me - unsure if we should use the MLE on a bench player or roll back the SS / Nas / JW / Drew crew.



Boy, I'd have to reaaaaally consider this one. I agree that it's probably the closest thing I've seen to an actual contender that has been proposed. The issue is AD's health. That team is one AD injury in the POs away from not amounting to anything, and the Blazers have zero future outside of Sharpe in this proposal. It's truly an 'all or nothing' proposal.

Additionally, when you consider the salaries and age of Lillard/Grant/Davis...this would put the Blazers in tax hell for the forseeable future.


IMO the only way to be a contender and not be in tax hell is to simply draft 3 and hope that guy + Sharpe make an unreasonable impact next year. Otherwise, if we want to get needle movers were going to be a big tax team.
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Post#137 » by m0ng0 » Wed May 24, 2023 5:55 pm

I agree that move perks the ears up a bit, it's a big risk...if it works we are in the hunt for a few years and than we are back to groundzero with nothing including any picks.

if it doesn't work we are on the same disappointing treadmill that we have been on for a long while.

The other option is just keep building around Sharpe, Simons, Walker, Eubanks, Thybule (sp?) #3, and whatever other picks and talent we can get for Dame and build our future. The one guarantee is the team will play hard and care.
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Post#138 » by soobias » Wed May 24, 2023 7:31 pm

idk how many watched the laker/nuggets series but A.D. is a easy no go for me.
for one he plays about as many games as nurk and he's only getting older plus the amount of money that would be dedicated to DAME,GRANT,A.D. would be too much imo. also for as long as i remember A.D. said he does not like playing center.
so if if we had that kind of team it would be a slow low possession team with quiet a few dnp's probably around 20-25 games due to health/rest and dont think they can afford that.
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Post#139 » by zzaj » Wed May 24, 2023 7:35 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
zzaj wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
I think thats pretty heavy w/ those 2 UNP FRPs due to AD's health - but would likely do that if we kept Dame.

Would also have to move 23 to CHI for the pick returned IMO.

G - Damian Lillard
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little
F - Jarred Vanderbilt / Justice Winslow
C - Anthony Davis / Drew Eubanks

That looks like a contender to me - unsure if we should use the MLE on a bench player or roll back the SS / Nas / JW / Drew crew.



Boy, I'd have to reaaaaally consider this one. I agree that it's probably the closest thing I've seen to an actual contender that has been proposed. The issue is AD's health. That team is one AD injury in the POs away from not amounting to anything, and the Blazers have zero future outside of Sharpe in this proposal. It's truly an 'all or nothing' proposal.

Additionally, when you consider the salaries and age of Lillard/Grant/Davis...this would put the Blazers in tax hell for the forseeable future.


IMO the only way to be a contender and not be in tax hell is to simply draft 3 and hope that guy + Sharpe make an unreasonable impact next year. Otherwise, if we want to get needle movers were going to be a big tax team.


Yeah, this is very true. The Blazers aren't going to get a 'contender making' player without big time tax obligation.
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Post#140 » by zzaj » Wed May 24, 2023 7:39 pm

The more I think about it the more I think the safest future/fiscal bet is to draft at #3 and roll the dice that the player chosen makes enough of an impact to keep Lillard happy. If it doesn't, the Blazers move him at the deadline to a team on the hunt. Does trading him at the deadline hurt Lillard's value? That's tough to say. Certainly no more than waiting 2 years too long to trade him...

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