Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The more I think about it the more I think the safest future/fiscal bet is to draft at #3 and roll the dice that the player chosen makes enough of an impact to keep Lillard happy. If it doesn't, the Blazers move him at the deadline to a team on the hunt. Does trading him at the deadline hurt Lillard's value? That's tough to say. Certainly no more than waiting 2 years too long to trade him...

I think that's an easy choice if it's Miller, since he fits into our rotational needs very well and won't be expected to do too much his first year. But he has less potential star power than Scoot IMO, in fact I can see a world where Miller ends up with a Harrison Barnes type career.

If it's Scoot tho that gives us the more dynamic prospect but it's a tougher decision because someone(s) is/are going to lose value out of that Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Scoot group. Even if we moved Simons which would be the obvious first move, with Scoot coming off the bench I think it's harder for teams to fall in love with him his first year. Like almost any guard he is going to be inefficient his first couple years and so he needs volume that we cannot give him. I suppose we could bump Sharpe to SF for a few minutes, I think Sharpe has the strength to not be horrible there, but Scoot/Sharpe as our 2/3 wings
is not a winning combo that I think Lillard will accept.

But I'm not in love with Scoot enough to trade Lillard and open up room for him so if he's the pick I think we pull the best damn deal we can at the draft and pray it's enough.

[GEE]

The more I think about it the more I think the safest future/fiscal bet is to draft at #3 and roll the dice that the player chosen makes enough of an impact to keep Lillard happy. If it doesn't, the Blazers move him at the deadline to a team on the hunt. Does trading him at the deadline hurt Lillard's value? That's tough to say. Certainly no more than waiting 2 years too long to trade him...

I think that's an easy choice if it's Miller, since he fits into our rotational needs very well and won't be expected to do too much his first year. But he has less potential star power than Scoot IMO, in fact I can see a world where Miller ends up with a Harrison Barnes type career.

If it's Scoot tho that gives us the more dynamic prospect but it's a tougher decision because someone(s) is/are going to lose value out of that Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Scoot group. Even if we moved Simons which would be the obvious first move, with Scoot coming off the bench I think it's harder for teams to fall in love with him his first year. Like almost any guard he is going to be inefficient his first couple years and so he needs volume that we cannot give him. I suppose we could bump Sharpe to SF for a few minutes, I think Sharpe has the strength to not be horrible there, but Scoot/Sharpe as our 2/3 wings
is not a winning combo that I think Lillard will accept.

But I'm not in love with Scoot enough to trade Lillard and open up room for him so if he's the pick I think we pull the best damn deal we can at the draft and pray it's enough.

I think that the boldened is highly debateable. While I do think Sharpe could potentially play some 3 in a Dame, Simons, Sharpe and Scoot rotation... There's no mention of MaThrees and Little. And the elephant in the room as always is neither Scoot or Miller do a damn thing to address our needs, and that's a rebuild of the PF/C rotation... IMO.

[BlazersBroncos]

Miller fills a need as a true sized SF that can shoot. I think his lower to middle outcome is Trey Murphy.

He would be a great #3 pick and decent win now piece if he could provide sophomore Trey Murphy production as a rookie - 14-15ppg, 40% 3PT on high volume, not a turnstyle on D. I am not at all sold on him being a #1/#2 option caliber guy long term - think he is more of a #3 at best. I see Vic, Scoot and Amen as the top 'star power' guys w/ an outside chance that Leonard Miller's BBall IQ catches up w/ his natural talents and he takes off. All just IMO of course.

As for needs, at the #3 pick you dont go for needs - you go for talent. If we drafted for needs we would be taking Dereck Lively #3 overall - which is insane.

OT - still blows my mind Trey fell to 17.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

:P

The more I think about it the more I think the safest future/fiscal bet is to draft at #3 and roll the dice that the player chosen makes enough of an impact to keep Lillard happy. If it doesn't, the Blazers move him at the deadline to a team on the hunt. Does trading him at the deadline hurt Lillard's value? That's tough to say. Certainly no more than waiting 2 years too long to trade him...

I think that's an easy choice if it's Miller, since he fits into our rotational needs very well and won't be expected to do too much his first year. But he has less potential star power than Scoot IMO, in fact I can see a world where Miller ends up with a Harrison Barnes type career.

If it's Scoot tho that gives us the more dynamic prospect but it's a tougher decision because someone(s) is/are going to lose value out of that Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Scoot group. Even if we moved Simons which would be the obvious first move, with Scoot coming off the bench I think it's harder for teams to fall in love with him his first year. Like almost any guard he is going to be inefficient his first couple years and so he needs volume that we cannot give him. I suppose we could bump Sharpe to SF for a few minutes, I think Sharpe has the strength to not be horrible there, but Scoot/Sharpe as our 2/3 wings
is not a winning combo that I think Lillard will accept.

But I'm not in love with Scoot enough to trade Lillard and open up room for him so if he's the pick I think we pull the best damn deal we can at the draft and pray it's enough.

I think that the boldened is highly debateable. While I do think Sharpe could potentially play some 3 in a Dame, Simons, Sharpe and Scoot rotation... There's no mention of MaThrees and Little. And the elephant in the room as always is neither Scoot or Miller do a damn thing to address our needs, and that's a rebuild of the PF/C rotation... IMO.

Well to be fair IMO a combo forward with good size/mobility who can rebound and hit 3s would fit into ANY teams rotational needs. I literally do not think any team could have too many players like that. Also Miller is in pretty much every way a superior prospect to Little and Thybulle, but as I said I don't think it's an either-or I would love to have extra depth of those kind players.


You are not wrong about the center position needing to be fixed. But I don't think this is the draft to address our center issues, I think something around Simons for WCJ would be a decent move tho

[Blazer50]

My bad - looking at too many trade options - wrong forum. -

[Norm2953]

Don't think I have seen this proposed -
Portland sends Anfernee Simons, Nassir Little & #3 to:

Chicago for DeMar Derozen, #5 & the 24 1st - No Protection to eliminate the pick holds for future deals.

Chicago get young PG/SG - elite shooter to cover LeMels''s injury concerns - elite offense who can play off ball and get his own shot. The also get the 3rd pick If Miller - or improve their trade options if Scoot on the board.

Portland gets Dame's friend - among the best Small Forwards in the league and can go with Hendrick (or Walker) who could be All Star level Power Forward (in 2 or 3 years - sorry Dame). They also control their future picks for additional deals.

Is it reasonable?

How does Chicago get the fifth pick from the Pistons who own the pick?

[tester551]

Don't think I have seen this proposed -
Portland sends Anfernee Simons, Nassir Little & #3 to:

Chicago for DeMar Derozen, #5 & the 24 1st - No Protection to eliminate the pick holds for future deals.

Chicago get young PG/SG - elite shooter to cover LeMels''s injury concerns - elite offense who can play off ball and get his own shot. The also get the 3rd pick If Miller - or improve their trade options if Scoot on the board.

Portland gets Dame's friend - among the best Small Forwards in the league and can go with Hendrick (or Walker) who could be All Star level Power Forward (in 2 or 3 years - sorry Dame). They also control their future picks for additional deals.

Is it reasonable?

How does Chicago get the fifth pick from the Pistons who own the pick?

I was thinking the same thing. Based on that, Id say its not reasonable...

[Blazer50]

my bad sorry!

[GEE]

:P

I think that's an easy choice if it's Miller, since he fits into our rotational needs very well and won't be expected to do too much his first year. But he has less potential star power than Scoot IMO, in fact I can see a world where Miller ends up with a Harrison Barnes type career.

If it's Scoot tho that gives us the more dynamic prospect but it's a tougher decision because someone(s) is/are going to lose value out of that Lillard, Simons, Sharpe, Scoot group. Even if we moved Simons which would be the obvious first move, with Scoot coming off the bench I think it's harder for teams to fall in love with him his first year. Like almost any guard he is going to be inefficient his first couple years and so he needs volume that we cannot give him. I suppose we could bump Sharpe to SF for a few minutes, I think Sharpe has the strength to not be horrible there, but Scoot/Sharpe as our 2/3 wings
is not a winning combo that I think Lillard will accept.

But I'm not in love with Scoot enough to trade Lillard and open up room for him so if he's the pick I think we pull the best damn deal we can at the draft and pray it's enough.

I think that the boldened is highly debateable. While I do think Sharpe could potentially play some 3 in a Dame, Simons, Sharpe and Scoot rotation... There's no mention of MaThrees and Little. And the elephant in the room as always is neither Scoot or Miller do a damn thing to address our needs, and that's a rebuild of the PF/C rotation... IMO.

Well to be fair IMO a combo forward with good size/mobility who can rebound and hit 3s would fit into ANY teams rotational needs. I literally do not think any team could have too many players like that. Also Miller is in pretty much every way a superior prospect to Little and Thybulle, but as I said I don't think it's an either-or I would love to have extra depth of those kind players.


You are not wrong about the center position needing to be fixed. But I don't think this is the draft to address our center issues, I think something around Simons for WCJ would be a decent move tho

Did I miss something? Why would Orlando want to trade their starting center in WCJ (who I beleive they like last I checked) for a $100 million dollar guard that they don't need, only to leave themselves with no Center as a result? And I like WCJ and would pursue him aggressively if I felt he was THE GUY. Maybe Cronin ends up feeling that WCJ is... I'd be fine with that actually, but I would use Nurkic, Expendables & Picks to get him, and while #3 would be on the table for me, Simons and Thybulle likely would not be as I don't see them as an expendable assets, unless an upgrade is coming back to us.

I just don't see a rookie in this draft that's going to upgrade us in any way, any time soon, but using #3 could absolutely upgrade our PF/C in a huge way when combined with other EXPENDABLE assets in trade. If Dame decides to bounce... even easier.

"a combo forward with good size/mobility who can rebound and hit 3's".... Oh you must mean Watford. Sorry I forgot to mention him.... and there's also Knox who's another guy I'd keep as well.

Stoots will likely be gone at #2 (don't see why he wouldn't be) and I'd bet (not a betting man) that Miller drops like a rock, but my wish is that Jordan loves him and Cronin can somehow convince Jordan to give us Williams for him. Not likely, I know but the point is that I don't see any rookie helping us that's worth the #3 pick, and if WCJ, in the eyes of Cronin, is THE GUY to be our Center for the future, I'd use the #3 in some form to get him.

And I also want RUI!!!

[Goldbum]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

[BlazersBroncos]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

Not sure why that only makes sense if Portland trades Dame. Leaves us Simons And Nurkic to salary match a big fish.

Ayton for Grant
Simons, Nurkic, 3 for Pascal, Boucher, 13

[tester551]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

I don't think that is possible under the CBA.

If Phoenix receives a player via a S&T, they are hard-capped (should be about $170M). The Sun's payroll is currently at $180M.
They would have to CUT a minimum of $10M with the trade for it to be even viable. That would also make it so Suns can only sign minimum contract guys to fill out the roster.

I just don't buy any rumor where Suns acquire someone via S&T.

[DusterBuster]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

I'm curious how it makes sense if Portland trades Dame. This would seem to be more of a win-now move that I would think is about building around Dame?

[Butter]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

I'm curious how it makes sense if Portland trades Dame. This would seem to be more of a win-now move that I would think is about building around Dame?

I thought Dame and Grant are buddies?

[Case2012]

Someone on the T&T board. Mentioned Turner and 7 for Nurkic and 3. There was also talk of a AD for Simons and 3.

What about Simons and 7 plus future unprotected firsts after getting our pick back for AD as a follow up to the Turner trade? Resign Grant or let him walk and start Sharpe for tax reasons…

Dame
Thybulle ( Sharpe 6th man)
Grant (True 3 IMO)
AD
Turner

That would be a sick team and definitely a contender with elite offense and defense. I also think putting a roster like that together would up the price on a sale to Knight who would be willing to pay the tax on a contender.

[DusterBuster]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

I'm curious how it makes sense if Portland trades Dame. This would seem to be more of a win-now move that I would think is about building around Dame?

I thought Dame and Grant are buddies?

Dame is past the point of caring about playing with friends.

[Norm2953]

I think I could tolerate a S/T Grant trade for Ayton for I'd hate to see Portland pay $30+ million
for a guy who grabs 3 RB's a game.

Nurk would have to go in a separate deal but nothing involving 3 is going to happen until the
individual workouts begin for the lottery players. Looking forward to seeing Scoot, Miller,
Thompson twins, Walker, Hendricks, Black, Whitmore at the practice facility. Let's just see
who has the best workout for historically, Blazer fans come alive in the hope Portland can
grab one of those guys, who along with Sharpe might be the a part of the next generation
Blazer teams

[PDXKnight]

I think I could tolerate a S/T Grant trade for Ayton for I'd hate to see Portland pay $30+ million
for a guy who grabs 3 RB's a game.

Nurk would have to go in a separate deal but nothing involving 3 is going to happen until the
individual workouts begin for the lottery players. Looking forward to seeing Scoot, Miller,
Thompson twins, Walker, Hendricks, Black, Whitmore at the practice facility. Let's just see
who has the best workout for historically, Blazer fans come alive in the hope Portland can
grab one of those guys, who along with Sharpe might be the a part of the next generation
Blazer teams

I think grant for ayton is interesting but def not with the 3 attached unless we are getting a lot back

[Napoleon7]

I've heard the Grant S&T for Ayton rumor from 2 sources now. It would require a follow up deal and only makes sense if Portland Trades Dame. It's interesting if true.

Maybe this is floated as a possibility if we make a trade with Toronto for both Siakum & Anunoby?

Dame
Sharpe
OG
Siakum
Ayton

Looks like a great starting 5…although allot of payroll wrapped up here…


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[Goldbum]

Not a trade rumor but that Seth Curry tweet is bonkers