2023 Draft Discussion Part 6

[mademan]

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I really want Jordan Hawkins but i also see other players in the class i want as well....But man hes in the same mold as Klay/Middleton and these kind of players are so important to a team in todays NBA.

Jordan Hawkins is what u take at 13, imo. You certainly get a rotation player in the NBA and a likely starter. He can shoot, is smart, moves very well off the ball, coachable and has an NBA 2 guard body. He's gonna succeed in the NBA.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Lively might have the highest upside of guys ranked outside the lotto. I'm slightly iff on his compete as he seems too laid back and doesn't really attack his drills during workouts the way you'd like, but you can see the rare skill and talent at that size.

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I’ve been saying it, he should be in play at 10 to Dallas. And if he drops past them he definitely needs to be in play at 13 whether or not Poeltl is a part of this roster. Koloko is irrelevant at this point.

[ArthurVandelay]

Some of yall are taking this Bilal thing way too far. Same potential as Sharpe? Wtf

Sharpe has TMac, Vince Carter type fluidity and feel. Bilal is slightly more skilled than OG. There's as much a gap between them skill wise as there is between Jokic and Aron Baynes.

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Bilal is actually a really good defender.

Sharpe can shoot and jump but LaVine is a much closer comparison of his ceiling until he shows he can actually play on both sides of the ball.

With that said, I’d love Sharpe on Toronto

Yeah, I'm not comparing these guys but I just think ppl are like oh he's tall and has long arms and is athletic. So many tools!

Deandre Daniels was 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan and could handle it and score, but he sucked. Again, not comparing the 2, but you have to look at actual skills instead of just assuming they will develop. Dude is long and athletic but his shot is bad, he doesn't seem fluid with the ball, he's not strong enough to be a lockdown defender. Like there's a TON of things that have to go perfectly for him to be what everyone is hoping he will be.

That's not to say it's impossible, but at some point you gotta look at more than just physicals.

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We have vastly different opinions.

I see an 18 year old blowing up as the games get more intense and more important. I see a team giving an 18 year old more and more responsibility as the team progresses in the playoffs.

I personally think he has a great foundation for his jumper. It’s a bit slow and mechanical but he’s not broken like Amen or Ausar Thompson.

I think he’s pretty smooth moving around the court and he went from people saying he had no handle to now it’s not fluid. I call that progress for an 18 year old.

There are enough stats on Twitter that shows he is a lockdown defender in France vs grown men. In interviews he takes pride for his defense before his offense. The mentality is there. There is definitely a dog in him. And again, he’s about the same size as Mikal Bridges who is a pretty good defender.

There is a lot more to Bilal than physical. I’ve been following him since January, having spent a lot of time watching his FIBA video from last summer. It is incredible to see how far he’s come in less than a year. I see no reason to believe the developmental curve is going to flatten anytime soon.

My selfish me is hoping he Jaylen Brown’s the finals - lol

[ItsDanger]

Like Sharpe, once they're in the league, price goes up. The time to acquire them is now while price is more reasonable. Sure there is greater risk but you weigh those concerns with all the other factors. There are only a few big upside options available outside top of lottery. If you want a difference maker, you must target those.

[Clutch0z24]

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I really want Jordan Hawkins but i also see other players in the class i want as well....But man hes in the same mold as Klay/Middleton and these kind of players are so important to a team in todays NBA.

Jordan Hawkins is what u take at 13, imo. You certainly get a rotation player in the NBA and a likely starter. He can shoot, is smart, moves very well off the ball, coachable and has an NBA 2 guard body. He's gonna succeed in the NBA.

Im worried hes off the board though before 13 because many NBA GMs prolly realize how important a player with his skillset is to any team in the NBA....Just look at what guys like Middleton, Klay ...Even to a lesser extent Huerter can do for a teams spacing....

I think he either goes 10 to the Mavs, 11 To Magic....Hawkins and Dick are the 2 best shooters in the class so i would not mind either of them at 13....We badly need 3 point shooters.

[BoyzNTheHood]

LMFAO. I see the board is already lamenting losing out on Coulibaly.

You cant possibly know enough to be upset by this (know that he's not gonna be available, know that the Raps want him or know that he's actually gonna succeed in this league)

A real quote in this thread is:

What an absolute failure and disaster this franchise is, ran by one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.

This board has lost its **** mind

Our front office is incompetent now? Jeez man. I’d say fans should stop supporting a mediocre product because all the puckheads at MLSE care about is glorified figure skating, but once the Raps slip they’ll be shipped off to the highest American bidder. Probably old Bron Bron and his Illuminati buddies in Vegas. It’ll do wonders for the LEbRoNtO narrative

[Mark_83]

Lively might have the highest upside of guys ranked outside the lotto. I'm slightly iff on his compete as he seems too laid back and doesn't really attack his drills during workouts the way you'd like, but you can see the rare skill and talent at that size.

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I’ve been saying it, he should be in play at 10 to Dallas. And if he drops past them he definitely needs to be in play at 13 whether or not Poeltl is a part of this roster. Koloko is irrelevant at this point.

He seems to be the consensus top pick among Mavs fans at the moment behind Hendricks.

[Yallbecrazy]

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

It's gotten to the point where I'm not going to bet against Bilal even though people can be bullish on the game today, he had some pretty mediocre showings as well in the playoffs but he's trying hard and learning and slowly building his frame.

At this point his floor is an elite 3-4 option with very good defense and his ceiling is a great 2nd option with all-nba defense.

On the offensive end he is still pretty limited in what he does (operates mostly in straight lines north-south) and cannot navigate the floor with the ball in his hands like Kobe Bufkin can but he has shown enough passing chops the past month to make me more bullish on his ability to be a decent facilitator. Overall he has shown me enough the past month to make me bump him up a lot higher than where I had him 2-3 months ago.

Cason Wallace's game in the tourney against K-State had a similar effect on me.

[mademan]

It's gotten to the point where I'm not going to bet against Bilal even though people can be bullish on the game today, he had some pretty mediocre showings as well in the playoffs but he's trying hard and learning and slowly building his frame.

At this point his floor is an elite 3-4 option with very good defense and his ceiling is a great 2nd option with all-nba defense.

LMFAO

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

It's gotten to the point where I'm not going to bet against Bilal even though people can be bullish on the game today, he had some pretty mediocre showings as well in the playoffs but he's trying hard and learning and slowly building his frame.

At this point his floor is an elite 3-4 option with very good defense and his ceiling is a great 2nd option with all-nba defense.

LMFAO

I don't know what you find funny, there are people comparing him to Giannis, you might want to laugh at that instead. The trajectory framework I suggested is very reasonable given what Bilal has shown with Mets 92 over the past little while.

[YogurtProducer]

It's gotten to the point where I'm not going to bet against Bilal even though people can be bullish on the game today, he had some pretty mediocre showings as well in the playoffs but he's trying hard and learning and slowly building his frame.

At this point his floor is an elite 3-4 option with very good defense and his ceiling is a great 2nd option with all-nba defense.

LMFAO

Makes a lot more sense why people are so gung-ho about tanking.. they think finding and developing elite talent is that easy

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[mademan]

It's gotten to the point where I'm not going to bet against Bilal even though people can be bullish on the game today, he had some pretty mediocre showings as well in the playoffs but he's trying hard and learning and slowly building his frame.

At this point his floor is an elite 3-4 option with very good defense and his ceiling is a great 2nd option with all-nba defense.

LMFAO

I don't know what you find funny, there are people comparing him to Giannis, you might want to laugh at that instead. The trajectory framework I suggested is very reasonable given what Bilal has shown with Mets 92 over the past little while.

Dude, there's probably 1-2 prospects in the past decade who's worst case scenario is elite 3rd option on a title team. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is? If that is his floor, he's going 2nd in this draft, and thats only because this draft has Wemby. You think he'd be going 1st in the last 5 drafts, lmfao?

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LMFAO

I don't know what you find funny, there are people comparing him to Giannis, you might want to laugh at that instead. The trajectory framework I suggested is very reasonable given what Bilal has shown with Mets 92 over the past little while.

Dude, there's probably 1-2 prospects in the past decade who's worst case scenario is elite 3rd option on a title team. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is? If that is his floor, he's going 2nd in this draft, and thats only because this draft has Wemby. You think he'd be going 1st in the last 5 drafts, lmfao?

I don't think you understand what being a 3rd-4th option means.

[Bruin]

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What an underwhelming list for us. And of that tiny list, I know Miranda went back to school. Not sure about the rest

Hope we get some of the guys in the 7-20 range soon

[mademan]

I don't know what you find funny, there are people comparing him to Giannis, you might want to laugh at that instead. The trajectory framework I suggested is very reasonable given what Bilal has shown with Mets 92 over the past little while.

Dude, there's probably 1-2 prospects in the past decade who's worst case scenario is elite 3rd option on a title team. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is? If that is his floor, he's going 2nd in this draft, and thats only because this draft has Wemby. You think he'd be going 1st in the last 5 drafts, lmfao?

I don't think you understand what being a 3rd-4th option means.

And i dont think you understand what floor means.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Dude, there's probably 1-2 prospects in the past decade who's worst case scenario is elite 3rd option on a title team. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is? If that is his floor, he's going 2nd in this draft, and thats only because this draft has Wemby. You think he'd be going 1st in the last 5 drafts, lmfao?

I don't think you understand what being a 3rd-4th option means.

And i dont think you understand what floor means.

Sure

[goinrogue]

Bilal’s floor is total bust who got hyped up by teams eager to find the next Giannis.

[Bruin]

Looking forward to see how Bilal does against Monaco in the finals. Monaco just finished 3rd in the Euroleague so it’s a series against one of the best pro teams outside the NBA

Should be interesting to see how he looks