2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Portland thinks Ayton and Grant are gonna get them past the first round then they got delusion issues. They might not even make the play-in with how competitive the west is. They need another star, so they either trade the pieces they have to help or be stuck in mediocrity.

They’re not going to be able to build a legit contender, it’s just not happening and they’d be idiots to trade scoot. Whoever makes that move needs to be fired

[RexBoyWonder]

Finals not looking great ATM, but great run regardless :

1. I think weve all seen that Jimmy and Bam are a great core, and that we've been historically awesome at finding and developing good rotation players we pull out of nowhere. The issue is - we lack in TOP END TALENT. We're deep enough, but don't have enough high level, 2 way, consistent scorers.

2. The best path to me, if possible - just go all in on the best stars, don't worry about depth, bench - that part we got covered. this means - focus ALL our resources on the best 4 players that we can get, and surround them with the best vet minimum/undrafted/rookies we can add.

Basically - Id go all in on Lilard + Jerami Grant. I trust the organization to find enough supporting players to put around those 4, even if it means to have every single other player on the roster making the Minimum.

1. Herro + Lowry + Duncan + Jovic + all the picks
For
Lilard + Grant

(could also trade Martin for a pick and send to blazers if needed, but would want to keep him).

2. Cut and stretch Dipo's contract.

3. Sign Cain, Boyea, Orlando Robinson to vet minimum deals.
4. Offer Love the Vet minimum.
5. Get the best 2 free agents vet minutes we can get on in free agency.

Lilard/Boyea
Martin/Vet Min
Jimmy/Cain
Grant/Highsmith
Bam/Robinson

I think the top 4 are great fit with one another, and I trust our coaching staff to find and develop 4-5 players that could log minutes around them and not kill us.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Finals not looking great ATM, but great run regardless :

1. I think weve all seen that Jimmy and Bam are a great core, and that we've been historically awesome at finding and developing good rotation players we pull out of nowhere. The issue is - we lack in TOP END TALENT. We're deep enough, but don't have enough high level, 2 way, consistent scorers.

2. The best path to me, if possible - just go all in on the best stars, don't worry about depth, bench - that part we got covered. this means - focus ALL our resources on the best 4 players that we can get, and surround them with the best vet minimum/undrafted/rookies we can add.

Basically - Id go all in on Lilard + Jerami Grant. I trust the organization to find enough supporting players to put around those 4, even if it means to have every single other player on the roster making the Minimum.

1. Herro + Lowry + Duncan + Jovic + all the picks
For
Lilard + Grant

(could also trade Martin for a pick and send to blazers if needed, but would want to keep him).

2. Cut and stretch Dipo's contract.

3. Sign Cain, Boyea, Orlando Robinson to vet minimum deals.
4. Offer Love the Vet minimum.
5. Get the best 2 free agents vet minutes we can get on in free agency.

Lilard/Boyea
Martin/Vet Min
Jimmy/Cain
Grant/Highsmith
Bam/Robinson

I think the top 4 are great fit with one another, and I trust our coaching staff to find and develop 4-5 players that could log minutes around them and not kill us.

People can say what they want and run with whatever agenda they want but the fact is, the Jimmy/Bam led Heat have been the most dominant team in the East since Jimmy got here and we’re a championship away from being the most dominant team in the entire league over that stretch.

Get them a 3rd star and veteran role players and let’s finally win the big one next year and continue this dominant run.

[RexBoyWonder]

Finals not looking great ATM, but great run regardless :

1. I think weve all seen that Jimmy and Bam are a great core, and that we've been historically awesome at finding and developing good rotation players we pull out of nowhere. The issue is - we lack in TOP END TALENT. We're deep enough, but don't have enough high level, 2 way, consistent scorers.

2. The best path to me, if possible - just go all in on the best stars, don't worry about depth, bench - that part we got covered. this means - focus ALL our resources on the best 4 players that we can get, and surround them with the best vet minimum/undrafted/rookies we can add.

Basically - Id go all in on Lilard + Jerami Grant. I trust the organization to find enough supporting players to put around those 4, even if it means to have every single other player on the roster making the Minimum.

1. Herro + Lowry + Duncan + Jovic + all the picks
For
Lilard + Grant

(could also trade Martin for a pick and send to blazers if needed, but would want to keep him).

2. Cut and stretch Dipo's contract.

3. Sign Cain, Boyea, Orlando Robinson to vet minimum deals.
4. Offer Love the Vet minimum.
5. Get the best 2 free agents vet minutes we can get on in free agency.

Lilard/Boyea
Martin/Vet Min
Jimmy/Cain
Grant/Highsmith
Bam/Robinson

I think the top 4 are great fit with one another, and I trust our coaching staff to find and develop 4-5 players that could log minutes around them and not kill us.

People can say what they want and run with whatever agenda they want but the fact is, the Jimmy/Bam led Heat have been the most dominant team in the East since Jimmy got here and we’re a championship away from being the most dominant team in the entire league over that stretch.

Get them a 3rd star and veteran role players and let’s finally win the big one next year and continue this dominant run.

Agreed. We have too many OKish~ players (Martin, Lowry, Duncan, Strus, Herro) but the gap between them and Bam and Jimmy is too big. Bam and Jimmy need another 1 or 2 stars to help them, preferably one that really score on a high level (Lilard) or really play on both end at a good level (Grant).

Get the Big 4, and surround them with the new wave of Heat undrafted gems. Some are already in the pipe line.

[greg4012]

If Portland thinks Ayton and Grant are gonna get them past the first round then they got delusion issues. They might not even make the play-in with how competitive the west is. They need another star, so they either trade the pieces they have to help or be stuck in mediocrity.

They’re not going to be able to build a legit contender, it’s just not happening and they’d be idiots to trade scoot. Whoever makes that move needs to be fired

Agreed--but they're still pretty likely to do it. Ownership doesn't care about winning. They care about making money off the team. Dame won't force the issue as he'd be content with them trading the pick for some help.

[Daffy]

What's the chances we can trade for Beal and Porzingis? That would solve a lot but would probably gut us really bad.

[dean456]

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Really feel like if Portland end up with Scoot I don't see them trading the pick to keep Lillard.

At that point if you are Portland you have to really think we can keep Lillard and try put a mediocre team around him for the next 3yrs of his physical prime or we could trade him for Herro and picks and trade Simons/Nurkic for extra assets and maybe even S&T Grant somewhere he wants to go and have the next 10yrs of Scoot/Herro back court and tons of picks.

[dean456]

What's the chances we can trade for Beal and Porzingis? That would solve a lot but would probably gut us really bad.

Probably as likely as Miami trading for Lillard and getting a Grant S&T. Not highly likely mostly due to future cap concerns.

I'm really not sure what Porzingis or Grant would command in the FA market this season with all the CBA changes. Grant is UFA and Porzingis has a PO that he would likely opt out of to extend his contract.

Both are probably looking for around the $30-35mil mark

Porzingis 27yo - 23.2ppg/8.4rpg/2.7apg/1.5bpg/0.9spg/49FG%/38FG3%
Grant 29yo - 20.5ppg/4.5rpg/2.4apg/0.8bpg/0.8spg/47FG%/40FG3%

I get the feeling POR or WAS won't want to take on Duncan's money so to get a deal like this done without teams taking on Duncan's contract, I think our outgoing players would have to be something like Herro/Martin/Lowry Exp/Oladipo Exp (72.9mil) Grant or Porzingis would have to take around 28mil in this scenario.

Could throw in Jovic's 2.3mil but can't imagine us doing a 5 for 2 swap.

[Daffy]

What's the chances we can trade for Beal and Porzingis? That would solve a lot but would probably gut us really bad.

Probably as likely as Miami trading for Lillard and getting a Grant S&T. Not highly likely mostly due to future cap concerns.

I'm really not sure what Porzingis or Grant would command in the FA market this season with all the CBA changes. Grant is UFA and Porzingis has a PO that he would likely opt out of to extend his contract.

Both are probably looking for around the $30-35mil mark

Porzingis 27yo - 23.2ppg/8.4rpg/2.7apg/1.5bpg/0.9spg/49FG%/38FG3%
Grant 29yo - 20.5ppg/4.5rpg/2.4apg/0.8bpg/0.8spg/47FG%/40FG3%

I get the feeling POR or WAS won't want to take on Duncan's money so to get a deal like this done without teams taking on Duncan's contract, I think our outgoing players would have to be something like Herro/Martin/Lowry Exp/Oladipo Exp (72.9mil) Grant or Porzingis would have to take around 28mil in this scenario.

Could throw in Jovic's 2.3mil but can't imagine us doing a 5 for 2 swap.

Thanks. We're in an interesting predicament. I feel like Dame would be a huge addition and fix our scoring as well as Beal but to a lesser extent. I think we'd still have an issue with having the perfect fit next to Bam. KD was basically the perfect player to add. He helped all over holes in one. Size and elite scoring.

Another player out there who's on the block that helps with size and scoring is Towns. I know Butler and him had that falling out but I think they said they patched things up. I feel like KAT hasn't hit his ceiling and could do that here. I think he can be played next to Bam as well. Brings scoring and rebounding. I could see Minny being interested in putting a shooter like Herro next to Ant & Gobert.

[dean456]

What's the chances we can trade for Beal and Porzingis? That would solve a lot but would probably gut us really bad.

Probably as likely as Miami trading for Lillard and getting a Grant S&T. Not highly likely mostly due to future cap concerns.

I'm really not sure what Porzingis or Grant would command in the FA market this season with all the CBA changes. Grant is UFA and Porzingis has a PO that he would likely opt out of to extend his contract.

Both are probably looking for around the $30-35mil mark

Porzingis 27yo - 23.2ppg/8.4rpg/2.7apg/1.5bpg/0.9spg/49FG%/38FG3%
Grant 29yo - 20.5ppg/4.5rpg/2.4apg/0.8bpg/0.8spg/47FG%/40FG3%

I get the feeling POR or WAS won't want to take on Duncan's money so to get a deal like this done without teams taking on Duncan's contract, I think our outgoing players would have to be something like Herro/Martin/Lowry Exp/Oladipo Exp (72.9mil) Grant or Porzingis would have to take around 28mil in this scenario.

Could throw in Jovic's 2.3mil but can't imagine us doing a 5 for 2 swap.

Thanks. We're in an interesting predicament. I feel like Dame would be a huge addition and fix our scoring as well as Beal but to a lesser extent. I think we'd still have an issue with having the perfect fit next to Bam. KD was basically the perfect player to add. He helped all over holes in one. Size and elite scoring.

Another player out there who's on the block that helps with size and scoring is Towns. I know Butler and him had that falling out but I think they said they patched things up. I feel like KAT hasn't hit his ceiling and could do that here. I think he can be played next to Bam as well. Brings scoring and rebounding. I could see Minny being interested in putting a shooter like Herro next to Ant & Gobert.

I don't see KAT being a possibility. I don't see the allure of Ant and Herro back court. KAT and Jimmy have had issues in the past which I know has been somewhat squashed but I don't think it's to the point where they want to team up again. Also not sure I like him and Bam together. I would prefer a better on ball scorer than a PF star scorer. We need to upgrade at PF but don't think we need someone on KAT's level.

Portland and Miami trade seems to be the most likely. Lillard has expressed interest in Miami, Portland seemingly would want to send him East, Bam/Lillard relationship and on court pairing makes a ton of sense, Money works, Herro and Scoot as a pairing makes some sense for Portland.

Miami and Washington also makes sense. However I could see Washington trying to pivot to Boston trading Beal for Brown as Beal and Tatum have a real good relationship.

The fact Grant was on the Olympic team as well and ended up joining Lillard in Portland makes me wonder if he would also like to follow him should he leave. His skillset offensively seem like exactly what Miami/Spo want to do with their PF in this build. He has the length, athleticism and ability to attack the paint like Caleb and can hit the 3 in the corners like Tucker but also above the break.

That being said I could also see him staying in Portland as he can get paid and still have a large role on the team.

[dean456]

I can see Portland doing something like this.

Trading Simons, Nurkic and #23 to PHX for Ayton and Shamat on draft night.

Keeping their #3 pick and drafting Scoot.

Lillard will then decide he wants to be traded and then we'll trade Herro/Caleb/Oladipo or Herro/Robinson and picks for Lillard.

Portland will then have 3-4yrs of Scoot/Herro/Ayton and a bunch of picks.

And if Grant wants to resign they could add him to the mix.

Scoot/Herro/Robinson or Caleb/Grant/Ayton wouldn't be too shabby if you are Portland entering a rebuild. Would keep fans supporting the team while building towards a new future.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I’ll be going full blown Dame/offseason after our season ends in a blowout fashion tomorrow night

[Wiltside]

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I’ll be going full blown Dame/offseason after our season ends in a blowout fashion tomorrow night

If it does, fair play. Don’t let us get one

[dean456]

We should have an idea of what is happening with Lillard's future by the draft in my opinion. If they trade the #3 pick then he's staying.

But if they don't, then I think that means he's gone.

[IceColdCubano]

We should have an idea of what is happening with Lillard's future by the draft in my opinion. If they trade the #3 pick then he's staying.

But if they don't, then I think that means he's gone.

Could they trade the player later once they picked him? or it can only be done on draft night? Cause if that's the case then that would be very telling, if they can trade him later in the year as they look for better packages then I won't get too excited if they make their pick.

[dean456]

We should have an idea of what is happening with Lillard's future by the draft in my opinion. If they trade the #3 pick then he's staying.

But if they don't, then I think that means he's gone.

Could they trade the player later once they picked him? or it can only be done on draft night? Cause if that's the case then that would be very telling, if they can trade him later in the year as they look for better packages then I won't get too excited if they make their pick.

We can trade the players draft rights after they are drafted. But I imagine Portland are going to make their decision on Lillard prior to the draft. Feel like they'd be silly not to talk to both Miami and Brooklyn prior to the draft if they are the two on Lillard's list.

BKN have #21 and #22 and Miami have #18 so if you gonna trade Lillard then I'd imagine you'd want one of these teams to draft for you rather then just take whoever we draft at that number.

[IceColdCubano]

We should have an idea of what is happening with Lillard's future by the draft in my opinion. If they trade the #3 pick then he's staying.

But if they don't, then I think that means he's gone.

Could they trade the player later once they picked him? or it can only be done on draft night? Cause if that's the case then that would be very telling, if they can trade him later in the year as they look for better packages then I won't get too excited if they make their pick.

We can trade the players draft rights after they are drafted. But I imagine Portland are going to make their decision on Lillard prior to the draft. Feel like they'd be silly not to talk to both Miami and Brooklyn prior to the draft if they are the two on Lillard's list.

BKN have #21 and #22 and Miami have #18 so if you gonna trade Lillard then I'd imagine you'd want one of these teams to draft for you rather then just take whoever we draft at that number.

I can totally see, This years #18, (2) Future FRP, Tyler Herro (to third team)with (1) FRP (2) 2RP going to Portland in return for Herro
plus (1) Duncan Robinson + (1) Jovic, to make salaries match.

[3ballbomber]

Dame, a hungry, ringless vet who can score w/ his eyes closed, who's more clutch than a 1000 cars, who's battle tested, whom if we can land we will win the NBA Championship. That offensive power is all we've been missing since we got Jimmy.

[Flash4thewin]

Could they trade the player later once they picked him? or it can only be done on draft night? Cause if that's the case then that would be very telling, if they can trade him later in the year as they look for better packages then I won't get too excited if they make their pick.

We can trade the players draft rights after they are drafted. But I imagine Portland are going to make their decision on Lillard prior to the draft. Feel like they'd be silly not to talk to both Miami and Brooklyn prior to the draft if they are the two on Lillard's list.

BKN have #21 and #22 and Miami have #18 so if you gonna trade Lillard then I'd imagine you'd want one of these teams to draft for you rather then just take whoever we draft at that number.

I can totally see, This years #18, (2) Future FRP, Tyler Herro (to third team)with (1) FRP (2) 2RP going to Portland in return for Herro
plus (1) Duncan Robinson + (1) Jovic, to make salaries match.

No way they take Duncan, it would be Lowry since he is an expiring.

[IceColdCubano]

We can trade the players draft rights after they are drafted. But I imagine Portland are going to make their decision on Lillard prior to the draft. Feel like they'd be silly not to talk to both Miami and Brooklyn prior to the draft if they are the two on Lillard's list.

BKN have #21 and #22 and Miami have #18 so if you gonna trade Lillard then I'd imagine you'd want one of these teams to draft for you rather then just take whoever we draft at that number.

I can totally see, This years #18, (2) Future FRP, Tyler Herro (to third team)with (1) FRP (2) 2RP going to Portland in return for Herro
plus (1) Duncan Robinson + (1) Jovic, to make salaries match.

No way they take Duncan, it would be Lowry since he is an expiring.

I was listening to all their locals broadcasters, they are all saying the same thing. That Portland wants nothing to do with expiring contracts, they want picks and young players in return. They want a PF/C type young talent, they have 1-3 position filled or to be filled in the upcoming draft.