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[Snakebites]

Yeah- they’ll remain contenders.

They are all but certain to lose Brown this offseason, will be interesting to see how the rest of the core holds together. They’re in an enviable spot though.

For me, the most interesting thing is the MPJ contract. Will they try to move it? To a certain degree its going to handicap them moving forward. As a Pistons fan would you trade Bagley + Burks for MPJ? He's a talented player but he's had some serious injury issues and he isn't someone who really can carry a team which is normally what you want out of a max contract player. He put up a very efficient 17.4 PPG this season but you know he won't be getting as good of looks if he went to another team.

Four more years of max money for him. Only $12 million of his final year $41 million is guaranteed unless he becomes an all-star.

He's a no from me.

A max contract with injury history? Who is going to want that?

I can't imagine a GM looks at MJP and sees him as a asset.



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I agree. It’s a no.

[bstein14]

Yeah- they’ll remain contenders.

They are all but certain to lose Brown this offseason, will be interesting to see how the rest of the core holds together. They’re in an enviable spot though.

For me, the most interesting thing is the MPJ contract. Will they try to move it? To a certain degree its going to handicap them moving forward. As a Pistons fan would you trade Bagley + Burks for MPJ? He's a talented player but he's had some serious injury issues and he isn't someone who really can carry a team which is normally what you want out of a max contract player. He put up a very efficient 17.4 PPG this season but you know he won't be getting as good of looks if he went to another team.

Four more years of max money for him. Only $12 million of his final year $41 million is guaranteed unless he becomes an all-star.

He's a no from me.

A max contract with injury history? Who is going to want that?

I can't imagine a GM looks at MJP and sees him as a asset.



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I agree.... it would be like repeating the Blake desperation trade all over again. When healthy he's an above average starter but he's not anywhere near a max guy. The only way I can see him moved out is if he ends up being traded for another overpaid player owed a bunch of money.

[vege]

I wasn't terribly annoyed or delighted with Bruce Brown's exit from Detroit, but watching him last night - that's not the same player he was in Detroit. What a credit to him that he developed his offensive game that he could have a fourth quarter offensive explosion to win an NBA Finals game. I always enjoyed cheering for him when he was in Detroit, since he left, and last night for sure. Never did I expect that kind of progress.

It gives hope for Killian Hayes. Slim perhaps, but still...

Not really. You could see Bruce Brown developing in his early years, he developed his corner 3's, he could cut but wasn't great finishing around the rim, even when he was found unguarded, then he could handle the ball and play some PG, and then we donated him to Brooklyn for no reason.

Killian never improved anything, he had small stretches where he was an ok player, but that's about it.

I was the only one who got mad when we traded Bruce Brown for nothing. I could see him improving, he always did everything the coach asked from him, he played any position needed to help the team, he always worked his ass off on defense.

But everybody in this boards said he was an umimportant 2nd rounder, and those are not the kind of players that are missed.

I agree with your overall sentiment here, but the underlined statements are embellishments. You weren't alone on an island with those thoughts.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2016834&hilit=bruce+brown+traded

I remember things different, thank you for showing me that, it was great reading some of those messages, and reinforced a few things for me and I will not continue to say I was the only one pissed off when we donated Bruce Brown, I was not alone in that boat.

You, chrbal and bstein14 are very good posters (there are a few more around here not only the 3 of you), and even when I disagree with you guys I respect what you guys say a lot. Going back to old threads made it very clear.

[MortSahlfan]

I'm afraid of the Pistons doing something stupid like that and signing "potential"... F that... Get a proven guy who fits. Overpay if you must, but a guy who can play defense, something you can hang your hat on in The Finals. Even the best shooters go 4-18, but I can't imagine Bruce Brown playing good defense only 4-18 plays. And he also had three nice baskets to put the nail on the coffin.

[breezypeezy]

I am guilty of not being patient enough with Brown and KCP as well.

After the years and years of experiencing the Stuckey Suck, I still harbored a quick prejudice towards guys that I thought werent gonna ever get good.
If anything ive now become over patient and want to see only the future possibilities in these guys like Wiseman and Bagley.

The over compensating patience hasnt extended to Killian and Stewart for some reason though? Im always finding myself super critical of both.

Im so glad were moving beyond Casey, I cannot believe Monty could be anywhere near as poor with his rotations.
Just the simple correct use of our players should make things much clearer towards the rosters capabilities.

Time to jettison some more garbage and get back some real NBA play from guys like Brown and KCP.......there, ive come the full painful circle.

Congrats to Denver and all the ex Pistons that got in on this years ring.

[Kalamazoo317]

Brown and KCP are great, winning players, if they can be the fifth and sixth best players on the team. Hanging onto championship level role players like that (i.e. paying big contracts for them) only really makes sense when you have at least a player who's positioned to be the best player on a championship contender, which we didn't have when either of them were around other than like one year of Blake.

[440BB]

It's interesting that KCP turned down the Pistons 5yr/$80m offer and ended up making $76.5m over six years and likely getting two rings. Although he left some money on the table, two rings may be worth it.

Bruce Brown was Weaver's biggest mistake so far. Even now he's signed for less than $7m. Troy just didn't see how solid and versatile Brown was, let alone the dog in his play.

[SuperBad]

I think he understood what Brown was just fine. But he didn’t really have much trade value, and he wanted to gut the roster. Brown is my type of player, but I understood at the time the move. I kinda felt like he did him a favor sending him to Brooklyn where he was exactly what they needed with all those stars and big contracts. So it worked best for Brown anyways.
He would have slowed down development of the youth with playing time, and help us get just enough more wins to get worse lottery picks. A least by the odds.

[Snakebites]

Jokic is a transcendent talent- not just individually but in terms of his ability to elevate his teammates.

Brown is a nice player but I doubt he’d ever have done that on this team.

[keepitrealhomes]

The narrative of BB being “the one that got away” shows how down we really have been over the last 15 years.

[Snakebites]

The narrative of BB being “the one that got away” shows how down we really have been over the last 15 years.

If we were the team who offered him a contract this offseason that Denver couldn’t match I wouldn’t be happy.

[keepitrealhomes]

The narrative of BB being “the one that got away” shows how down we really have been over the last 15 years.

If we were the team who offered him a contract this offseason that Denver couldn’t match I wouldn’t be happy.

Somebody is going to. Unless Bruce is happy taking a pay cut, he is absolutely getting overpaid this offseason. The jokic effect is very real. I’m with you on that, I hope it isn’t us.

[Pharaoh]

The narrative of BB being “the one that got away” shows how down we really have been over the last 15 years.

If we were the team who offered him a contract this offseason that Denver couldn’t match I wouldn’t be happy.

Somebody is going to. Unless Bruce is happy taking a pay cut, he is absolutely getting overpaid this offseason. The jokic effect is very real. I’m with you on that, I hope it isn’t us.

What's a overpay for him though?

MLE is approx 12 mil

IF someone gives him 15 mil I don't view that as a overpay

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[keepitrealhomes]

If we were the team who offered him a contract this offseason that Denver couldn’t match I wouldn’t be happy.

Somebody is going to. Unless Bruce is happy taking a pay cut, he is absolutely getting overpaid this offseason. The jokic effect is very real. I’m with you on that, I hope it isn’t us.

What's a overpay for him though?

MLE is approx 12 mil

IF someone gives him 15 mil I don't view that as a overpay

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I could easily see 60 mil over 3 years. These contracts these days make BG and Charlie villaihavenohair look like child’s play lol

[Snakebites]

Somebody is going to. Unless Bruce is happy taking a pay cut, he is absolutely getting overpaid this offseason. The jokic effect is very real. I’m with you on that, I hope it isn’t us.

What's a overpay for him though?

MLE is approx 12 mil

IF someone gives him 15 mil I don't view that as a overpay

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I could easily see 60 mil over 3 years. These contracts these days make BG and Charlie villaihavenohair look like child’s play lol

I mean, that’s more the result of the salary cap skyrocketing since those days.

But yeah.

[Pharaoh]

Somebody is going to. Unless Bruce is happy taking a pay cut, he is absolutely getting overpaid this offseason. The jokic effect is very real. I’m with you on that, I hope it isn’t us.

What's a overpay for him though?

MLE is approx 12 mil

IF someone gives him 15 mil I don't view that as a overpay

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I could easily see 60 mil over 3 years. These contracts these days make BG and Charlie villaihavenohair look like child’s play lol

For us we'd probably have to offer 20 per just to lure him in.

Other teams might be able to get him for the full MLE

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[Snakebites]

Pelicans aggressively trying to move up to 2 or three.

This is why the lottery drop was so rough. Even leaving the first pick out of the equation, if you don’t want Scoot or Miller we still lost so much value when we fell to 5th. Ugh.

[bstein14]

Pelicans aggressively trying to move up to 2 or three.

This is why the lottery drop was so rough. Even leaving the first pick out of the equation, if you don’t want Scoot or Miller we still lost so much value when we fell to 5th. Ugh.

Yes, #2 is easily worth #4 and #5 in this draft... It's certainly not like that in every draft in some drafts #2 and #4 are pretty much close to equal but Scoot has quite a bit more upside and trade value than the guys at #4 or #5.... so the fall is pretty big.... Teams could offer another lottery pick in this draft plus 3 or 4 more future firsts for #2 IMO.

[MortSahlfan]

Fred declined his player option in Toronto... Casey's no longer the coach, so any rumored issue is not there. I say we get him. Better to overpay and get someone like him than overpay for a guy to sit (which is what we do).. Detroit is at the bottom of destinations, we have to overpay players AND coaches.

[Pharaoh]

Fred declined his player option in Toronto... Casey's no longer the coach, so any rumored issue is not there. I say we get him. Better to overpay and get someone like him than overpay for a guy to sit (which is what we do).. Detroit is at the bottom of destinations, we have to overpay players AND coaches.

I'd rather not pay 30 mil for 30 year old FVV

He's a great story but at his price and age I don't think he fits. Who are you benching to start FVV - Ivey?

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