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2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition

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Re: 2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition 

Post#1141 » by Daffy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:20 pm

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We can trade the players draft rights after they are drafted. But I imagine Portland are going to make their decision on Lillard prior to the draft. Feel like they'd be silly not to talk to both Miami and Brooklyn prior to the draft if they are the two on Lillard's list.

BKN have #21 and #22 and Miami have #18 so if you gonna trade Lillard then I'd imagine you'd want one of these teams to draft for you rather then just take whoever we draft at that number.

I can totally see, This years #18, (2) Future FRP, Tyler Herro (to third team)with (1) FRP (2) 2RP going to Portland in return for Herro
plus (1) Duncan Robinson + (1) Jovic, to make salaries match.


No way they take Duncan, it would be Lowry since he is an expiring.


If Duncan keeps trending upwards the way he is currently he'd be a good keep. Now if we land Dame and can flip Duncan for more depth then let's do it.
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Post#1142 » by AirP. » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:05 pm

Daffy wrote:
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IceColdCubano wrote:I can totally see, This years #18, (2) Future FRP, Tyler Herro (to third team)with (1) FRP (2) 2RP going to Portland in return for Herro
plus (1) Duncan Robinson + (1) Jovic, to make salaries match.


No way they take Duncan, it would be Lowry since he is an expiring.


If Duncan keeps trending upwards the way he is currently he'd be a good keep. Now if we land Dame and can flip Duncan for more depth then let's do it.


No, he's not a good keep at his cap hit, he's just playable.

It's basically Robinson > (Strus (on a medium contract) + asset(s) needed to move Robinson contract).
Between Robinson and Strus, Strus is the better player but his agent saw what Miami gave Robinson and watched Strus get minutes over him for the last 2 playoffs, Strus has been starting while Robinson got DNPs.

This next contract is quite possibly Strus's only chance to make decent (for NBA players) money in the NBA, he has to take the biggest contract he can get. The same thing goes for Vincent, but I think Miami has been grooming him to be their starting PG for a couple years now, Lowry was supposed to be a stop gap at PG until they felt Vincent was ready (which is why they wanted him for a 2-year contract).
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Re: 2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition 

Post#1143 » by _GH0ST_ » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:22 pm

Robinson recovered somewhat in the playoffs. I don't see any reason why he wouldn't go back to the way it was with a good summer camp. He is not 35 years old.

But even if he goes back to his prime we have to trade him. Keeping him on the court in the playoffs is torture. All the teams are targeting him. He turned Bruce Brown into Kobe Bryant in the last match.

Just trade him and don't get a soft guy that'll be a problem for the playoffs.
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Post#1145 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:28 pm

AirP. wrote:
Daffy wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
No way they take Duncan, it would be Lowry since he is an expiring.


If Duncan keeps trending upwards the way he is currently he'd be a good keep. Now if we land Dame and can flip Duncan for more depth then let's do it.


No, he's not a good keep at his cap hit, he's just playable.

It's basically Robinson > (Strus (on a medium contract) + asset(s) needed to move Robinson contract).
Between Robinson and Strus, Strus is the better player but his agent saw what Miami gave Robinson and watched Strus get minutes over him for the last 2 playoffs, Strus has been starting while Robinson got DNPs.

This next contract is quite possibly Strus's only chance to make decent (for NBA players) money in the NBA, he has to take the biggest contract he can get. The same thing goes for Vincent, but I think Miami has been grooming him to be their starting PG for a couple years now, Lowry was supposed to be a stop gap at PG until they felt Vincent was ready (which is why they wanted him for a 2-year contract).

I’m worried about the Raptors offering Vincent a decent contract with the impending loss of Van Vleet.
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Post#1146 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:55 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Daffy wrote:
If Duncan keeps trending upwards the way he is currently he'd be a good keep. Now if we land Dame and can flip Duncan for more depth then let's do it.


No, he's not a good keep at his cap hit, he's just playable.

It's basically Robinson > (Strus (on a medium contract) + asset(s) needed to move Robinson contract).
Between Robinson and Strus, Strus is the better player but his agent saw what Miami gave Robinson and watched Strus get minutes over him for the last 2 playoffs, Strus has been starting while Robinson got DNPs.

This next contract is quite possibly Strus's only chance to make decent (for NBA players) money in the NBA, he has to take the biggest contract he can get. The same thing goes for Vincent, but I think Miami has been grooming him to be their starting PG for a couple years now, Lowry was supposed to be a stop gap at PG until they felt Vincent was ready (which is why they wanted him for a 2-year contract).

I’m worried about the Raptors offering Vincent a decent contract with the impending loss of Van Vleet.

I hope they offer Struss and Vincent stupid money to go elsewhere, that way we can move on from undrafted guys who are capped at their peak and will not get us over the hump that we keep investing time into. Caleb has been the only good signing so far based on production vs cost. Once we get rid of Duncan and Lowry we can finally get back to fielding a balanced team when we get some of their cap % invested back that is very little on the productive side.
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Post#1147 » by AirP. » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:45 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
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AirP. wrote:
No, he's not a good keep at his cap hit, he's just playable.

It's basically Robinson > (Strus (on a medium contract) + asset(s) needed to move Robinson contract).
Between Robinson and Strus, Strus is the better player but his agent saw what Miami gave Robinson and watched Strus get minutes over him for the last 2 playoffs, Strus has been starting while Robinson got DNPs.

This next contract is quite possibly Strus's only chance to make decent (for NBA players) money in the NBA, he has to take the biggest contract he can get. The same thing goes for Vincent, but I think Miami has been grooming him to be their starting PG for a couple years now, Lowry was supposed to be a stop gap at PG until they felt Vincent was ready (which is why they wanted him for a 2-year contract).

I’m worried about the Raptors offering Vincent a decent contract with the impending loss of Van Vleet.

I hope they offer Struss and Vincent stupid money to go elsewhere, that way we can move on from undrafted guys who are capped at their peak and will not get us over the hump that we keep investing time into. Caleb has been the only good signing so far based on production vs cost. Once we get rid of Duncan and Lowry we can finally get back to fielding a balanced team when we get some of their cap % invested back that is very little on the productive side.


I am soooooooo tired of the undrafted player talk. These players are good enough to play in the NBA so why does it matter how they got to NBA? It takes more than talent to make the NBA although talent will give you more opportunities if you fail early on. Vincent is a role-player, he's supposed to shoot 3s and play aggressive defense, I'm sure there's a lot of players out there that could do that if they accept that as their role. Get a 6-6'4 combo guard, tell him he has a green light as long as he defends.

Strus is interesting, he plays from the 2 to the 4 and has a nice outside shot when it works, I wouldn't pay him much since he's not reliable with that shot nor a good defender, he's just the best option Miami currently has with 3pt shooting and defense.

Like you mention, let other teams overpay those players and let Miami "develop" new role-players. Miami let Nunn walk after he started the finals, and they were better in the long run that season, not so much in the playoffs but Butler was horrific that series.
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Re: 2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition 

Post#1148 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:49 pm

AirP. wrote:
IceColdCubano wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:I’m worried about the Raptors offering Vincent a decent contract with the impending loss of Van Vleet.

I hope they offer Struss and Vincent stupid money to go elsewhere, that way we can move on from undrafted guys who are capped at their peak and will not get us over the hump that we keep investing time into. Caleb has been the only good signing so far based on production vs cost. Once we get rid of Duncan and Lowry we can finally get back to fielding a balanced team when we get some of their cap % invested back that is very little on the productive side.


I am soooooooo tired of the undrafted player talk. These players are good enough to play in the NBA so why does it matter how they got to NBA? It takes more than talent to make the NBA although talent will give you more opportunities if you fail early on. Vincent is a role-player, he's supposed to shoot 3s and play aggressive defense, I'm sure there's a lot of players out there that could do that if they accept that as their role. Get a 6-6'4 combo guard, tell him he has a green light as long as he defends.

Strus is interesting, he plays from the 2 to the 4 and has a nice outside shot when it works, I wouldn't pay him much since he's not reliable with that shot nor a good defender, he's just the best option Miami currently has with 3pt shooting and defense.

Like you mention, let other teams overpay those players and let Miami "develop" new role-players. Miami let Nunn walk after he started the finals, and they were better in the long run that season, not so much in the playoffs but Butler was horrific that series.

Correct, I am not using the word undrafted as negative connotation. I meant it as we developed them and can do it again with other players, as in we didn't spend assets to pick them up via trade so we have to try and get our moneys worth by re-signing them, its how I was phrasing it.
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Post#1149 » by Spacely » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:06 pm

Probably out of our price range, but how do y’all feel about Fred Vanvleet? We could send Lowry back home and sign and trade for Vanvleet. He just declined his player option, for 22 million…wow.
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Post#1150 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:39 pm

Don’t forget who led the dame rally and has stuck to it the last year or 2 when it finally happens :o
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Post#1151 » by jaseda510 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:14 pm

Spacely wrote:Probably out of our price range, but how do y’all feel about Fred Vanvleet? We could send Lowry back home and sign and trade for Vanvleet. He just declined his player option, for 22 million…wow.


Is there a way the Heat can trade Lowry, Herro, cap filler + picks for FVV and Siakam???
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Post#1152 » by contract » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:15 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Daffy wrote:
If Duncan keeps trending upwards the way he is currently he'd be a good keep. Now if we land Dame and can flip Duncan for more depth then let's do it.


No, he's not a good keep at his cap hit, he's just playable.

It's basically Robinson > (Strus (on a medium contract) + asset(s) needed to move Robinson contract).
Between Robinson and Strus, Strus is the better player but his agent saw what Miami gave Robinson and watched Strus get minutes over him for the last 2 playoffs, Strus has been starting while Robinson got DNPs.

This next contract is quite possibly Strus's only chance to make decent (for NBA players) money in the NBA, he has to take the biggest contract he can get. The same thing goes for Vincent, but I think Miami has been grooming him to be their starting PG for a couple years now, Lowry was supposed to be a stop gap at PG until they felt Vincent was ready (which is why they wanted him for a 2-year contract).

I’m worried about the Raptors offering Vincent a decent contract with the impending loss of Van Vleet.

Why worry?

'22-'23 regular season: Games 68 ... 40.2% FG ... 33.4% 3pt

'22-'23 playoffs: Games 21 ... 41.2% FG ... 38.9% 3pt

Career regular season: Games 195 ... 39.9% FG ... 33.9% 3pt

Career playoffs: Games 43 ... 40.3% FG ... 36% 3pt

He's not a true PG. He can't really shoot or create his own offense. He's hardly a good defender.

Of all the guys on this team that get any playing time, he's the most easily replaceable.
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Post#1153 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:20 pm

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Spacely wrote:Probably out of our price range, but how do y’all feel about Fred Vanvleet? We could send Lowry back home and sign and trade for Vanvleet. He just declined his player option, for 22 million…wow.


Is there a way the Heat can trade Lowry, Herro, cap filler + picks for FVV and Siakam???


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Post#1154 » by contract » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:22 pm

jaseda510 wrote:
Spacely wrote:Probably out of our price range, but how do y’all feel about Fred Vanvleet? We could send Lowry back home and sign and trade for Vanvleet. He just declined his player option, for 22 million…wow.


Is there a way the Heat can trade Lowry, Herro, cap filler + picks for FVV and Siakam???

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Post#1155 » by contract » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:02 am

I don't care about injury. I don't want to hear about building around Jimmy anymore.
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Post#1156 » by AirP. » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:10 am

contract wrote:I don't care about injury. I don't want to hear about building around Jimmy anymore.


It was the Finals and he looked like he didn't even care most of that series, it boggles my mind.
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Post#1157 » by HeatIn5 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:11 am

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Post#1158 » by batterybro42 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:12 am

All things taken into account it was a great run. That unfortunately doesn’t change where this team is at but that being said it has completely improved our situation as a team.

Caleb Martin has become an extremely valuable deal that we could potentially move

Duncan Robinson has become what I consider to be a moveable deal at this point

Herro is a massive trade piece as is our 1st round pick

Miami needs to do everything possible to get Lillard on this team. To me that’s the off-season
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Post#1159 » by gom » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:16 am

I'm proud of the team and looking forward to next season!
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Post#1160 » by gom » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:16 am

AirP. wrote:
contract wrote:I don't care about injury. I don't want to hear about building around Jimmy anymore.


It was the Finals and he looked like he didn't even care most of that series, it boggles my mind.


Thanks for tempering your message.
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