Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[Monix]

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Interesting how far out he’s spotted up. Those are deep, deep threes.

that's a HS gym

[mccluskey]

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Interesting how far out he’s spotted up. Those are deep, deep threes.

looks like he's in a HS gym with a 3pt line at 19'9", though (edit: you beat me to this comment, Monix, I type way too much/slow)

nice to see that shooting from Springer - if he can hit 35% or better consistently this season, it's gonna be interesting to see what his minutes look like. The kid is a defensive monster with excellent instincts and effort on that end of the floor - he's bigger and stronger than Melton and is already very close to that same level of impact as a defender. I think once he gets more used to NBA speed and gains some confidence, he's got the potential to be an absolute stud of a defensive specialist.

he's not going to be a point guard, though - he doesn't have the handle or playmaking instincts to run an offense in the G League, let alone the NBA. He's going to end up as a slightly undersized wing, but he's strong as hell and plays a lot bigger than his size. He's got a pretty nice back to the basket bully-style post game where he can score over and around guys inside 12 feet, and if he adds consistent 3pt shooting and cuts down on his turnovers, the future is super bright for the kid.

[youngcrev]

Why do you guys like Beal? I dont know what he’s even good at.

Iso, No.
PnR, No.
Clutch, No.
3pts, No.
FT, No.

I think people just believe in the talent, look at him as a good player that's miscast in a bad situation, and believe he'd be a better player as a #2 or even #3.

He's shown the ability to be both an on and off ball scorer at various times in his career.

And most of all, he doesn't seem physically cooked, and has performed reasonably well in the playoffs.

He's clearly overpaid by a pretty big margin, but if Harden does walk, he seems like the best, and most seemingly gettable player the Sixers can find, and looking at the free agency landscape next year (and the fact that they won't really have any more assets than they do now), I don't really see that changing.

I find his advanced stats not reflecting him to be an allstar even at his peak years at 2019-2021 where he averaged 30ppg in both these seasons.

He can’t be a #1-2 because he is not good on Iso, PnR and in crunch time.

He can’t be #3 because he is not a good 3pt shooter.

Yeah, that's correct, he's a borderline All Star type talent, making superstar money.

I think he's a better option than those stats indicate though, particularly as a 3 point shooter. This isn't a guy that gets a ton of easy looks from 3. I also imagine his PnR stats would look a little better with Embiid's gravity, but I might have more interest in how the DHO game would work between the two with his ability to shoot on the move.

Also, what are you looking at for crunch time? His "clutch" stats he was a 68.2 TS guy this year.

Statistics are situational and not necessarily indicative of how a guy would perform in different situations. I believe you've brought up the potential for efficiency drops in Tyrese if scaled up. Beal could be a case where his efficiency, and some of his warts a defensively, improve in a lesser role.

[mjkvol]

Harden.

Either we win or Biid walks.

We win: Biid buys in and let him cook, then we look unstoppable.

Biid walks: Biid goes tantrum by not getting touches. Poor body language all season.

Nurse would be the key here. I think he mentioned in windy’s podcast that one of his job is to get those two get what they want.

I'm not sure where this "Biid will ask out" stuff comes from other than the imagination of fans. You're far from a troll, but it's such a troll-like take when there's absolutely zero evidence that he's indicated he has ever had some kind of "my way or the highway" ultimatum going on.

I get that fans are frustrated with the second round losses and game 6 in particular, but it will never fail to amaze me how many people are willing to dump the first true franchise player we've had here since Iverson and a top 10 player in the league, and at the same time get rid of a rare home grown improving 22-year old who works hard and wants to be a star here. Especially given the shoddy front office work and not having a real coach here since The Process.

Go ahead and flame away.

[youngcrev]

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Interesting how far out he’s spotted up. Those are deep, deep threes.

that's a HS gym

[blargh]

Interesting how far out he’s spotted up. Those are deep, deep threes.

that's a HS gym

Ah, my bad.

[Mik317]

the "appeal" of Beal is the idea that if he isn't the main scoring option it will open up the floor for him. His best shooting years came next to Wall for example. The idea is that he has been miscast as the first option and will thrive moreso as a second or even third. But again that was the same idea for Tobias too.

[Negrodamus]

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Interesting how far out he’s spotted up. Those are deep, deep threes.

The three point line is HS here. Looks about NBA distance.

Edit: just saw it was addressed. My b

[Eyeamok]

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Don't do this to me. I can take this team being bad but don't feed me hope. You would think I would have learned to control my excitement after years of seeing Ben Simmons ball out in the Summer against YMCA talent. But no the fan in me just never dies.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

I think people just believe in the talent, look at him as a good player that's miscast in a bad situation, and believe he'd be a better player as a #2 or even #3.

He's shown the ability to be both an on and off ball scorer at various times in his career.

And most of all, he doesn't seem physically cooked, and has performed reasonably well in the playoffs.

He's clearly overpaid by a pretty big margin, but if Harden does walk, he seems like the best, and most seemingly gettable player the Sixers can find, and looking at the free agency landscape next year (and the fact that they won't really have any more assets than they do now), I don't really see that changing.

I find his advanced stats not reflecting him to be an allstar even at his peak years at 2019-2021 where he averaged 30ppg in both these seasons.

He can’t be a #1-2 because he is not good on Iso, PnR and in crunch time.

He can’t be #3 because he is not a good 3pt shooter.

Yeah, that's correct, he's a borderline All Star type talent, making superstar money.

I think he's a better option than those stats indicate though, particularly as a 3 point shooter. This isn't a guy that gets a ton of easy looks from 3. I also imagine his PnR stats would look a little better with Embiid's gravity, but I might have more interest in how the DHO game would work between the two with his ability to shoot on the move.

Also, what are you looking at for crunch time? His "clutch" stats he was a 68.2 TS guy this year.

Statistics are situational and not necessarily indicative of how a guy would perform in different situations. I believe you've brought up the potential for efficiency drops in Tyrese if scaled up. Beal could be a case where his efficiency, and some of his warts a defensively, improve in a lesser role.

My bad there, his clutch numbers are good.

[Negrodamus]

Jaden is our third star if Harden leaves.

[Arsenal]

Even if he doesn't come back, he did us a solid on the way out! Thanks James!!!

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[Arsenal]

More evidence Harden is returning. He's very close with Rico Hines...

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[Skates]

the "appeal" of Beal is the idea that if he isn't the main scoring option it will open up the floor for him. His best shooting years came next to Wall for example. The idea is that he has been miscast as the first option and will thrive moreso as a second or even third. But again that was the same idea for Tobias too.

A second or third option to add that create your own shot wing scorer that we need in the waning minutes of a game would be great (see Derozan, Demar) but not a guy with Beal’s long term super max deal attached to him, especially not in the new CBA era that is coming.

[Arsenal]

Big Perk says Harden to Lakers! I'm good w/that if we get back Hillbilly Kobe. No way on D'Lo.

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[Eyeamok]

Here is the thing with Doc Rivers and James Harden. If Doc could not get James and Embiid to share the ball as much as he would like, then Doc had lost control of the team. So in the post game interview where Doc said he had 2 more years left on his contract and he intended to coach the 76ers. What was his plan to mend fences? Did he have a plan or was he just going to collect checks?

[Negrodamus]

Even if he doesn't come back, he did us a solid on the way out! Thanks James!!!

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Damn, Jimmy didn't even have that sway.

[Eyeamok]

Even if he doesn't come back, he did us a solid on the way out! Thanks James!!!

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Damn, Jimmy didn't even have that sway.

But let's be clear. Doc was not dismissed because Harden wanted him gone. Doc was dismissed because he could not get the 76ers past the 2nd round.

[FireMorey]

Jake Fischer says Sixers not expected to pursue Beal or FVV even if Harden leaves and are solely focused on signing Harden to a short term deal. And are also looking for ways to acquire a 2nd round pick.

Washed GM cost the Sixers picks for tampering in case anyone forgot.

[Arsenal]

League ain't ready!

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